Obama Calls For 'Honest Debate' On Health Care

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DARLENE SUPERVILLE | 08/22/09 09:31 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is challenging critics of his push to overhaul the health care system to stop making "phony claims" about proposals now the subject of intense coast-to-coast debate.

"This is an issue of vital concern to every American, and I'm glad that so many are engaged," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday. "But it also should be an honest debate, not one dominated by willful misrepresentations and outright distortions, spread by the very folks who would benefit the most by keeping things exactly as they are."

"So today, I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the Internet, on cable TV and repeated at some town halls across this country," the president said.

Obama said the overhaul would not cover illegal immigrants nor use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and he does not intend a government takeover of health care – as critics have claimed at contentious town hall-style meetings with members of Congress.

He also took a swipe at "death panels," an idea former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin introduced on her Facebook page.

"As every credible person who has looked into it has said, there are no so-called death panels – an offensive notion to me and to the American people," Obama said. "These are phony claims meant to divide us."

Obama angered his liberal base this past week after seeming to suggest he would be OK with a plan that didn't have a government-run health insurance option.

"This is one idea among many to provide more competition and choice, especially in the many places around the country where just one insurer thoroughly dominates the marketplace," Obama said. "Let me repeat: It would be just an option; those who prefer their private insurer would be under no obligation to shift to a public plan."

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Obama said: "this one aspect of the health care debate shouldnt overshadow the other important steps we can and must take to reduce the increasing burdens families and businesses face."

Republicans, in their weekly address, accused Obama of being the one misrepresenting his proposal.

"As opposition to the Democrats' government-run health plan is mounting, the president has said he'd like to stamp out some of the disinformation floating around out there," said Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga. "The problem is the president, himself, plays fast and loose with the facts."

Price said the whole idea should be scrapped and lawmakers should start anew with a plan that ensures sure patients – not Washington or insurance providers – are the top priority.

"We all know that when the government is setting the rules and is backed by tax dollars, it will destroy, not compete with, the private sector," said Price, a doctor. "The reality is, whether or not you get to keep your plan, or your doctor, is very much in question under the president's proposal."

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is challenging critics of his push to overhaul the health care system to stop making "phony claims" about proposals now the subject of intense coast-to-coast ...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is challenging critics of his push to overhaul the health care system to stop making "phony claims" about proposals now the subject of intense coast-to-coast ...
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Obama wasn't trying to tell Congress how to do their jobs. In any case, the reason for his statement is now obvious. After a dedicated (on the Dem side, at least) effort by Congress through August started to show seams, Obama sent up a "feeler" over how committed the public actually was, to the Public Option. And we answered him that it is absolutely crucial.

This is Obama! The man is a leader, but at every opportunity, he's reminded us that it's up to US, to walk the walk, and make what needs to happen, happen. The truth is, the uber-civilized Progressives just aren't mean enough on their own, to ram the legislation through on their majority. They want bipartisanship, which they just won't get get on this issue, despite the "gang" of three.

Republicans won't play for results. They're working for their masters: big business, oil, drugs, and the private medical insurance mafia -- some of whom stand to lose profits, when Public Option competition drives down the cost of premiums.

And the Republicans only have to keep anything from happening, for those companies to keep raking in our dough, and then rooking us, when we need expensive treatments.

Think of it this way -- who gets all of the "too much" money we now spend for health care? Some goes direct to doctors and hospitals, of course; but the major portion of it is paid from you the consumer, directly to the insurers.

Follow the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 AM on 08/26/2009
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Did I tell you about the time I was dx'ed with a serious illness while under United Ag Insurance (YEAH BABY!!!) and as I was being worked up, lost it due to divorce/inability to pay COBRA? In the midst of workup ruling out what could turn into a devastating disease (Scleroderma, Lupus, and mixed connective tissue disease), I was dropped like a hot coal by my medical team, one whom I had been seeing for 15 years. Had a home so was ineligible for MediCal. So, I sat and waited ... for 10 years, waiting to turn into Shrink Wrap Plastic. God did you save me? Cuz I am alive to tell the story. And happy to say the path report was wrong (oh no!!!! wrong? because of the United Ag or because of tissue mix up in lab?).

I have hated doctors ever since. And I work in the medical field.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/25/2009
- sixchair I'm a Fan of sixchair 65 fans permalink

WE'RE ALL SLAVES!! I have yet to hear 1 person say this re health care, so here I go: This country was built on slave labor, which continues to this day. Slaves had to accept their situation because their masters controlled their needs. The same holds true now. We accept lousy pay, abuse, long hours, no vacation, etc. because we're afraid to leave, mostly due to loss of "benefits". Our oligarchical masters like it this way and are fighting like hell to preserve the status quo. Look at Europe - HC for all, worker protection laws, human vacation allowances, and interestingly, emerging from this recession more quickly because its people are more confident in their lives. We're all frightened sheep over here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 08/24/2009
- Airmail56 I'm a Fan of Airmail56 25 fans permalink
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Go and enjoy the sharia law toby!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 08/24/2009

Interesting, Airmail, how you frame his comments about Europe's advantages into some kind of Sharia envy thing.

Do you think Europe is under Sharia law? Did FAUX tell you that?

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nice hat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 08/26/2009
- Airmail56 I'm a Fan of Airmail56 25 fans permalink
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How about you publish a final program, let the people read it, and then have a national vote on it in November? I have had enough of your 'honest' debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 08/24/2009
- trisha08 I'm a Fan of trisha08 76 fans permalink

But, I'm guessing you side with those who choose to have a dishonest debate, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 08/24/2009
- Airmail56 I'm a Fan of Airmail56 25 fans permalink
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Guessed wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 08/24/2009

Already? But we haven't even started, Airmail.

Oh, the "final for now" House Bill is out for your reading pleasure, the whole thousand pages of it:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

You ought to know, if you don't, that the "final final" version won't come out until around late December at the earliest. And there will not be a "national vote" on it, because that's not how our system of government works. This will be passed by Representatives and Senators, the ones we all elected; not by you or me directly.

Meanwhile, enjoy your reading. Note in passing that you won't have any excuse now, for not knowing what's in the Bill, because you can just READ THE FREAKING BILL!

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Loove your hat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 08/26/2009

The language President Obama uses to discribe his citics is pristine and respectful and it takes the edge off of the atrocity of the hit job the Republicans and their Political Pimps are responcible for.

I understand why our President has always taken the high road and I celebrate it as he is both a Christian and a gentleman.

However we need to use the words Lie and deceptive when discribing the the Republicans, Blue Dog Democrats and others who are in bed with Lobbying firms who represent large Health Care Corporations and other Corporate Giants who steal the American People blind while having the luxury of having plants at the negotiating table.

Many will say that that is Washington Politics at its finest and I say "STOP IT" that is not Washington politics at its finest, that is Whashington Politics and its Worst.

Because Politics has morphed into this tangled illegal mess does not mean it has to remain that way. Someone has to have enough titanium spine to lead us out of this mess.

Whashington Politics has got to change and the elected officials need to get out of bed with these Corporations that own them and thier votes and go back to the business of honest governance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/24/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

wow 7 spelling errors.............painfully bad post

laughing at you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 08/24/2009

If that is all that you can find in my post is gramtical errors then fine. I am not anal retentive just passionate about what I believe. Its Ok if you feel that you have to laugh.

If that makes you feel that you are the bigger man then congratulations.

The real issue is whats happening to our Country and how we are participating in the discussion. wdw505 what are you doing to bring this Country together?

Its Ok if you check my grammer but while you are counting my errors, participate in a real way and be a part of the solution instead of being a blogging bully.

Peace and Love

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 08/24/2009
- trisha08 I'm a Fan of trisha08 76 fans permalink

wdw505---Gawd, you are mean. I'm guess you are a "compassionate conservative".

Are you proud of yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 08/24/2009

Why laugh? The post shows the scars of editing at least, which is an effort to make it better. So what, if the person can't spell that well? Not everyone grew up with a dictionary at hand.

Her/his points are excellent, regardless of his/her spelling.That's what a "real" debate is all about, after all -- the points, not the style.

Painfully good post, care4mypeeps

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 08/26/2009
- PlainBread I'm a Fan of PlainBread 8 fans permalink

If POTUS has to debunk the myths, hoax, rumors and dishonesty, that would mean something wrong with the media. Maybe we should replace the MSM with mythbuster or snopes.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/24/2009
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Let's return all campaign donations from the debaters just to keep the debate judges "honest".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 08/24/2009
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Let's debate which is better: Mac or PC.

Meanwhile ..... status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 08/24/2009
- tiredlady I'm a Fan of tiredlady 22 fans permalink
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I'm afraid thaat the President is guilty of not allowing "honest debate" himself. We were told right up front that single-payer is "off the table". This is as intellectually dishonest as the multitude of whackjobs claims from the right. Why do we have to 'protect the for-profit insurance industry? Congress never gave a damn about all the people whose lives were damaged or destroyed when many industries were off-shored, down-sized, or eliminated by free trade agreements and other corporate-favoring policies. We were told to suck it up, re-train, and wait for new sectors of the economy to 'raise all boats'. Well, if it was good for textiles, steel, and heavy industry, it should be fine for insurance. Even if they lose the healthcare sector, they can still rip us off in auto, life, and especially home (hurricane damage claims, anyone?). Single payer now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 08/23/2009

you are right that administration would do well to heed their own advice. do you have a source for this:
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We were told right up front that single-payer is "off the table".
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i do not think it can be attributed to administration [though i wish it were the case]. regardless this is neither dishonest nor intellectually dishonest if true. it would be more like a strategic position grounded in logic and common sense.

the problem is that you are not articulating a coherent problem statement. the complaints you mention are misguided. if congress did not give a damn in the past, you think they will have a change of heart and look out for you now?

i am not in favor of single payer but open to opposing arguments. unfortunately those arguments are missing here. the rants about government are funny and perhaps accurate but do not add to the debate as you would have them. so this is part of the problem and not the solution. lets focus on real issues and stop the pollution - a proposal where i can agree with the president [or at least his statement that is the subject of this post]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 08/24/2009
- tiredlady I'm a Fan of tiredlady 22 fans permalink
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The President in several public appearances single-payer wasn't under consideration. It is dishonest, he campaigned on ALL reform concepts. After the election he won't discuss all the ideas that are out there, how is that honest?

I have no idea what you mean by a "coherent problem statement". I'm asking a question. Why DO we have to protect the insurance industry when we had no problem trashing most manufacturing and heavy industry with government policies? Many people lost good jobs with good benefits- healthcare, defined-benefit pensions, etc. that they will never be able to replace. Why should one industry be immune?

Also, don't know where you get the "rant" thing from. I'm asking for the President to have an "honest debate"(his words) on ALL visions of healthcare reform. Just because someone expresses themselves a little more colorfully than you does not mean they are "ranting". I'm not polluting, I'm looking for an answer from the man who said he wanted questions.

You say you are against single-payer. What about a plan that gives you lower cost premiums, is permanently portable, universal coverage don't you agree with? A plan that collects lower premiums than the insurance companies need to collect, that assures coverage, eliminates deductibles and co-pays, removes the "pre-existing condition" nightmare, and ensures access to good basic medical care is not desirable? Why shouldn't taxpayers have the same coverage as Medicare and the Congress have. I really don't get voting against that, care to explain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 08/24/2009

I know what the problem is here. It's that the American Insurance Industry has to operate in America.

I say we introduce a Bill sending them all to the third world, out of our hair. They could compete against the free medical care Cuba exports all over the world.

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watch sicko, you'll be glad you did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 AM on 08/26/2009
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quote:
He also took a swipe at "death panels," an idea former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin introduced on her Facebook page.
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I suppose her Facebook page "introduced" many people to the death panel lie in the sense that she propagated it to the widest audience, but real journalists find the original source, which is Betsy McCaughey. The "Associated Press" is sub-standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 08/23/2009
- jemborg I'm a Fan of jemborg 66 fans permalink
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Wow! I'm a freedom loving Aussie and I find this paranoia over decent pubic health care amazing.

We've had it for almost 30 years.

I've expounded on this in many of Huffo's threads but let me simply say... America you deserve better, do not believe the Conservative lies.

NB: It took two goes in my country to get universal Medicare established. The Conservatives got rid of it when they got voted back in. The Labor Party re-established it at the next election after that. And although they have undermined it every time they got back into power the Conservatives don't dare try to get rid of it again. What I am getting at here is you have to push HARD for it- it's NOT going to happen through bi-partisanship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 08/23/2009
- NJmikeV I'm a Fan of NJmikeV 50 fans permalink

Thank you jem. Keep posting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 08/23/2009
- jemborg I'm a Fan of jemborg 66 fans permalink
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You're most welcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 08/24/2009

we are not paranoid about decent health care [i do not think]. knocking down that straw man is pretty trivial.

i think most concerns relate to massive government intervention in our everyday lives when there are much better solutions to a clear problem, as you indicate.

not sure how it works in AU, but here all politicians lie and would be well advised to to disregard independent of 'party'. they are largely of the same class, in my view.

push hard for what? these generalities are useless. and the bipartisan issue is pretty much irrelevant to discussion. dems control the government - 60 votes in senate and lead by close to 70 votes in congress. the issue is that american people, democrats included are demonstrating some caution around the particulars of what we push HARD on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 08/24/2009
- jemborg I'm a Fan of jemborg 66 fans permalink
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Push hard for a Public Option obviously, I clearly explain why.

"we are not paranoid about decent health care..." By "we" you are talking for the Conservatives? From my perspective and the rest of the rest of the First World's, yes, you are utterly paranoid, it's born from our decades long experience actually living with Public Health Care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 08/24/2009

Fighting the Republicans on health care is a waste of energy.

The reason health care will not pass with anything meaningful is the Democrats.

Your rage is misplaced this time. Yes their antics are crazy but they always are. Nothing new there.

When you pick Rahm Emanuel as your Chief of Staff you just said no to the Public Option. It is so obvious yet you refuse to see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 08/23/2009
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From another caring Canuck.

HiThe reform plan for universal health care in the US is at risk in part because of the powerful medical insurance lobby and right-wing propaganda machine spreading lies about the Canadian health care system.I have just signed a petition urging the US Congress and American people to ignore the propaganda about the health system in Canada and to turn the debate away from fear and lies -- I thought that you would want to help set the record straight too!Click the link to sign the petition:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/reform_health_care/96.php?CLICK_TF_TRACK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 08/23/2009

Please keep posting, Beltane, we need your perspective here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 08/26/2009
- Emandisa I'm a Fan of Emandisa 17 fans permalink
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Mr. President: (I so love saying that to you)

I am reading an excellent book about how backwards things are in D.C. and it offers some pretty enlightened suggestions on how to deal with it. You may have heard of the book, it's called "The Audacity of Hope". Oh and Mr. President Community organizer has never been and will NEVER be a dirty word, perhaps you need to get back to your roots???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 08/23/2009
- andres20 I'm a Fan of andres20 3 fans permalink

Remember 3 years ago. Sen Graham (R) made a comment about Obama.
He said Obam,a wanted to make changes in Washington but when the opposition fought back he gave up. He is showing this trait now. Backing off the Public Option. Looks like he is taking bad advice from some people who have their own ax to grind.and is too unsure of himself to tell them to bug off. Its his legacy thats at stake. He could have made history, but is too wishy washy to do it. Unless someone with some cojones (Democrat) steps up and puts and end to this crap; health care reform is sunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/23/2009
- Emandisa I'm a Fan of Emandisa 17 fans permalink
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All he needs to do is remember "who" he is and "where" he came from. And realize that he is dealing with baby boomers in congress, they are sooooo out of touch with reality and nostalgic for a world that has not existed for at least 20 years. Obama won with the creativity and passion of his constituents. The artists did alot to help him out by taking his vision and turning it into something peope could feel and sing along to. He has lost his vision, but he is a LEO and he will once again find his ability to Roar and take command of the political jungle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 08/23/2009
- Tkevan I'm a Fan of Tkevan 11 fans permalink

An empty suit from the Chicago Machine? How's that going to help him in DC??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 08/23/2009

Thank you so much for posting, Emandisa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 08/26/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 27 fans permalink

President Obama is a student of history and is aware that big plans in the past have often required adjustment after the first bill passes. Big change is often imperfect at it's inception and needs to be fine tuned.

It appears that the President doesn't mind following the proven path.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 08/23/2009

agree totally and at this point I'm thinking good riddance.. for him to be so weak .. it is sad, though I have to say I am not surprised.

He never really fought back during the campaign with Hillary.

He just doesn't have a good negotiating bone in him .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 08/23/2009
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