Cash For Clunkers: Deadline Extended For Dealers To Submit Deals

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KEN THOMAS and STEPHEN MANNING | 08/24/09 10:07 PM | AP

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Max Falada of Joe Rizza Enterprises attempts to file sales agreements made under the Cash for Clunkers program at Rizza Enterprises dealerships, Monday, August 24, 2009, in Orland Park, Ill. The Transportation Department extended the deadline Monday for auto dealers to submit their Cash for Clunkers deals, giving them more time to make sure they get repaid under the popular $3 billion government rebate program. (AP Photo/M Spencer Green)

WASHINGTON — The Transportation Department is assuring auto dealers they will get time to submit their pending Cash for Clunkers deals, as continued problems with the government's Web site make it difficult for dealers to file for repayment under the popular $3 billion government rebate program.

All sales under the program ended Monday evening. The deadline for paperwork to be submitted was pushed back to noon Tuesday from an earlier 8 p.m. EDT Monday cutoff after government computers set up to handle the filings buckled under a flood of dealers trying to send in their sales agreements at the last minute. Under the original plan, those deals that weren't submitted on time wouldn't be repaid, leaving many dealers fearful that they would be left on the hook for clunker sales they made.

However, it now appears that the deadline could be pushed back again.

"We continue to address technical problems with the CARS website, and have determined that the website will not be fully functional before (Tuesday) morning," the Transportation Department said in a statement sent to dealers late Monday evening. "Dealers should be assured that they will be provided time to submit pending deals equivalent to the time that was lost this afternoon while the system was down."

The DOT declined to elaborate further.

"The computer system has been down or very slow for most of this day, and we literally have thousands of dealers with probably millions of dollars of deals that they would like to submit and just have been unable to," said Michael Harrington, chief legislative counsel for the National Automobile Dealers Association, earlier Monday.

Computer problems have plagued the program, as it proved far more popular than government officials expected. A rush of filings also bombarded the online system earlier this month when it appeared the first $1 billion Congress set aside would run out just days after sales began. Transportation officials later expanded its computer network capacity and tripled the number of staffers working on the program.

The big rush of filings on Monday, however, shut down the filing system temporarily, prompting auto dealers to push for an extension.

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"We've spent the better part of the last three days trying to hack our way into their computer program that has been down more than it's been up," said Alan Starling, who owns two General Motors dealerships in central Florida. His staff was still trying to submit all the paperwork for 75 deals through the clunkers program.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, speaking to reporters in Norristown, Pa., earlier in the day, said the program was an unprecedented success and a boon for car dealers, automakers, scrap yards and financial institutions. He estimated that by the sales deadline later Monday, "there will be 700,000 to 800,000 cars that have been sold, most of them fuel efficient," replacing gas-guzzling cars and trucks.

Transportation officials said that, through early Monday, dealers had submitted 625,000 vouchers totaling $2.58 billion. Many car dealerships have worked overnight in recent days to submit the 13-page application to be reimbursed for the trade-in vehicle, including the title, proof of registration and proof of insurance.

Dealers have only received a fraction of the reimbursement funding. Through last Thursday, the most recent data available, the Transportation Department had reviewed and processed more than 150,000 reimbursement applications and approved $140 million in payments to dealers. At the time, DOT had processed about 30 percent of all the applications they had received.

Cash for Clunkers has been wildly successful in spurring new-car sales and getting gas-guzzling models off the road, though some energy experts have said the pollution reduction is too small to be cost-effective. Customers receive rebates of between $3,500 and $4,500, depending on the improvement in fuel efficiency from their old vehicle to their new one.

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Associated Press writer JoAnn Loviglio in Norristown, Pa., contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The Transportation Department is assuring auto dealers they will get time to submit their pending Cash for Clunkers deals, as continued problems with the government's Web site make ...
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- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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Just how does the gov verify that these gas guzzler clunkers were destroyed?
I have a very good friend who works at one of the largest multi dealership in the st. louis area.
On the phone the other night he said from what he has seen, only the worst of the clunkers are put in the back lot for the crusher. The rest are cleaned up and moved over to the used car lots that accompany the new car dealerships. Just how do we know for sure if these dealers are doing what they are suppose to?? After all, they are car dealers. are we just suppose to take their word for it?
Anyone have any idea on how the clunkers removal from the market is validated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 08/26/2009

Everyday it seems like the lib3rals keep back stepping. We make no progress in anything but getting obama elected. Now we get the same rethreads. NO change we can believe in.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

When the public demand change if the politicians won't give it to us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 08/26/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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Now Im no liberal, or republican, but I would say one big step towards progress that was made was gettng the Bush mentality out of the white house. What we traded it for Im not sure yet, but its not nearly as deadly or beholding to the MIC and big oil as far as I can tell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 08/26/2009

Obamaelection. "Yet another example of no change." You are thoughtfully dead wrong. There is accelerated change since Obama became CEO. His repertoires of leadership are those measures of leadership that lead an organization to stagnation, declining performance, ignominious achievemen­t---ultima­tely to precipitious decline, even destruction.
In Obama's management, examples of traditional reperoires that he has implemented down the chain of command: Authority delegated without responsibi­lity---Gei­thner, Bernanke, Summers and so on. Members' freedom of action limited only by accountablility to favored, powerful individuals and groups. The CEO delegates takes on tasks and responsibilities that should be handled by subordinates such as the Secretary of State, Secretary of Healtrh, Secretary of Interior and so on. Administrative decisions are not based upon factual information from all segments of the organization. There is no formal advisory system, no long range planning, no clarifyijng of purpose--policy and procedure, no seeking of competent staff, no rewarding meritorous patterns of behavior, no reprimand ore redirection of harmful behaviorand so on.These traditional repertoires of administration irreparably harm an organization over a period of time.
Bush instituted an almost pure traditional administration. Obma is follwing in his footsteps with a few notable exceptions. The American Repblic continues to careen down the road of destruction at ever increasing acceleration. We need a modern leader of competent measures of administration to turn this nation towards a new horizon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 08/25/2009
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Where have all the clunkers gone?

Apparently not that far. Dealers are holding on to them until they are reimbursed. Some have not disabled the cars yet for fear of being stuck without the money. So then what? If they end up at the yards, there is a 6 month period to strip the car of its saleable parts, excluding the drive train, before crushing the rest.
If the dealer is stuck with the car, and it runs decent, it will be remarketed ,or wholesaled at a dealer auction ,for much more than the salvage value.
From what information I can get ,I estimate that less than 1% of the cars were sent to the scrapper so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 08/25/2009

Talk about being hypocritical, liberals scream about jobs leaving the US and buying goods from China and yet they take Trillions of dollars from China to pay for their special interest programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 08/25/2009

It wasn't even our money. It was money we borrowed from China. I wonder when they will call the bill due and repo the US?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 08/25/2009
- rich3324 I'm a Fan of rich3324 18 fans permalink
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It's one thing to ask us for the money. It's another to come and try to take it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 08/25/2009

Get a good look at how badly the government handled the clunker program. That is what is headed our way if Obama is allowed to "reform" health care. Government as an institution is inherently incompetent and we entrust them with our welfare at our own peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 08/25/2009
- Okeif I'm a Fan of Okeif 4 fans permalink
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Take a good long look at the VA, Medicaid, and Medicare then..And ask yourself, why you have issues with comprehension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 08/26/2009

Cash for clunkers another example of how Obama doesn't care about the poor. Where will the poor be able to get a good reliable used car? This caused a shortage in used cars driving up the price of available used cars. (being just a little fecetious.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 08/25/2009
- Okeif I'm a Fan of Okeif 4 fans permalink
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Proof or it didn't happen.

Car shortage..Hah,, That's a riot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 08/26/2009

Thank you President Obama and Members of Congress. I used this program to get rid of a 1999 Tahoe (13 mpg) with 180K miles, in need of new tires, a major break job, and possibly rear axle work, and buy a 2009 Mini Cooper Clubman (34 mpg). I just couldn't pass of the opportunity. It definitely helped to get me in a much more efficient and environmentally friendly vehicle. The reduced fuel consumption will also contribute to improving US balance of payments, and reduce the amount of US $ going to fund authoritarian regimes that are frequently unfriendly to the US. Thanks again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 08/25/2009

Why are you thanking the President? It wasn't his money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/25/2009

obama reappoints Bernanke 'beagle boy' Ben

yay another example of no change. voters were deceived.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

guess who will be sitting home on November 21st 2012?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/25/2009

This is another irrational policy that strengthens American competitors and further weakens our ability to quit this borrowing. Eighty percent of the cars are made essentiially off shore while our workers are receiving the public dole. This Administration is a ship without a captain knowledgeable in navigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 08/25/2009
- rf dude I'm a Fan of rf dude 20 fans permalink
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The measure of success or failure will be seen in the coming months.

Sustained, or growing, auto sales volumes resulting from this program would support a claim of success.

But if sales dwindle back down to the pitiful trickle we saw before the $4500 rebate program, then it won't really matter how fast the money ran out.

Time will tell - but it's safe to say that the program was far more popular in the short run than ever imagined...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 08/25/2009
- Okeif I'm a Fan of Okeif 4 fans permalink
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Should sales dwindle, then I think that's more or less an issue for manufacturer's and dealerships..

Here's why: Car dealers should now know that it doesn't take a huge price reduction to get people into to buy New.

If anything, sagging sales will be a mandate on how the auto-industry is more interested in maximizing profits than making sales.

Don't get me wrong.. I have nothing against profits, but when every other industry is sinking, it's generally a good idea to realign your priorites and decide whether you want to make any sale or hold out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 08/26/2009

I always get a kick listening to all the "good republicans" (an oxymoron?) griping about the government "giving money away".

I had a friend who qualifed for the $3,500 rebate for a new Ford Escape. what was most interesting was the simple fact that of the $3,500, he paid back over $2,400 in tax and license fees to the state.

if the price was ramped up to $35,000, almost $4,000 in tax and license fees would be paid.

looks to me like a huge portion of the "giveaway" is coming right back in the form of sales tax and license fees.

it's rather interesting that 98% of all car dealer principals are card-carrying Republicans. it's even more interesting for those of us in Arizona, who have two senators (McCain and Kyl) who both voted "let 'em die!" to the auto industry.

perhaps next time the dealer principals will stop and think who REALLY has their best interests at heart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 08/25/2009
- AudiGuy I'm a Fan of AudiGuy 21 fans permalink
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I don't understand your point regarding the taxes and license fees? Your friend would have had to pay them regardless of the rebate and the amount would have been higher.

I do however get your point related to the hypocritical nature of Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/25/2009

my point was a very simple one. when someone buys a new car and takes advantage of the clunker program, they are paying a very large portion back thru taxes of the money they received thru the clunker program. the amount the government is actually paying out is coming right back in the form of taxes and license fees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/25/2009

One of your excuse for not wanting healthcare reform the government is a screw up. Hello "wall street" and the last eight years. The only difference is when the government screwed up under Bush the people had nothing to show for it but more misery! Hell I am happy for the people going back to work! But to be honest I can live with the dumps if the up come is positive in this case it was! .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 08/24/2009
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The computers went down..

They ran out of money... TWICE

It ran over budget/

Many dealerships were going to opt out anyway, since they haven't seen a DIME yet...

And these are the same people, you think can run health care better?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/24/2009

Umm... No nationwide organization, public or private, could have a program this big up and running this fast, with no advance warning or website design time, without glitches.

The program was temporary, by law. It had $1 billion to spend, as soon as possible. If there was money left over by November (that is, if the program failed and nobody was interested), that was the cutoff to end the program anyway.

When it turned out to be so successful, Congress chose to extend it. They didn't have to (see above: it was originally intended to spend $1 billion and it did). They agreed to fund another $2 billion, and then end the program after that was spent. That's what just happened, as planned.

First people complain that all of the Recovery Act stimulus money hasn't been spent yet (when it was designed to be spread out to avoid a spike). Then people complain Cash for Clunkers distributed its stimulus funds faster than expected. Which is it, too fast or too slow? The real answer is that whatever happens, the Party of No finds something nasty to say about it. Logic, thought, or concern for the nation's well-being are non-issues.

Yes, a government agency that can manage a project this big in a matter of weeks and deliver an adrenaline shot to the auto industry gains my confidence.

No, the government isn't planning to run health care, so that's not really a relevant question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 08/24/2009

oh, this is just rich.

let me get this straight; you're complaining because the program was TOO successful?

also, please let me know of ONE dealer anywhere who allegedly "opted out" of the most successful program in automotive history. this is too stupid to even comment on.

hate to confuse the issue with facts, but perhaps you'd like to guess how long it takes a dealer to get reimbursed for warranty claims or factory rebates from their respective manufacturers; it's 90-120 days. using your logic, perhaps the dealers should "opt out" of selling or servicing ANY cars at all!!

in case you didn't know, all the captive credit companies (GMAC, Ford Motor Credit, Toyota Motor Credit, Nissan Motor Acceptance, et al) have all extended advances to the dealers until the government monies come in.

and last but not least, I don't think the transportation secretary will be the "same people" who will be administering health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 08/25/2009
- mat3 I'm a Fan of mat3 9 fans permalink

here's 200 that dropped out of the program.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32478468

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 08/25/2009
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