Journalists Laura Ling And Euna Lee Break Silence On North Korea Capture, Release

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LISA LEFF and HYUNG-JIN KIM | 09/ 2/09 03:37 PM | AP

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In this undated photo released by Korean Central News Agency via Korea News Service in Tokyo Saturday, Aug. 29, 2009, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il inspects Munchon Secondary School in Munchon, northern North Korea. (AP Photo/Korean Central News Agency via Korea News Service)

SAN FRANCISCO — Two American television reporters imprisoned in North Korea for months say communist soldiers "violently dragged" them back when they returned to Chinese soil after briefly crossing into the reclusive country.

In an article posted Tuesday on Current TV's Web site, Laura Ling and Euna Lee said they hesitantly followed their guide when he beckoned them across a frozen river into the North and were "firmly back" on the Chinese side when North Korean border guards grabbed them on March 17.

"We tried with all our might to cling to bushes, ground, anything that would keep us on Chinese soil, but we were no match for the determined soldiers," the journalists wrote in their most thorough account of the circumstances of their arrest. "They violently dragged us back across the ice to North Korea and marched us to a nearby army base, where we were detained."

At the time of their arrest, the two were reporting a story for San Francisco-based Current TV about North Korean women who were forced into the sex trade or arranged marriages when they defected to China. After their capture, Lee and Ling were sentenced to 12 years of hard labor for trespassing and "hostile acts" against North Korea.

The women were moved to a Pyongyang guesthouse and held there until the North pardoned them in early August after a landmark trip to Pyongyang by former President Bill Clinton.

The release helped ease rising tension on the Korean peninsula following North Korea's defiant nuclear and missile tests earlier this year. Since then, the regime has taken a series of conciliatory steps toward Seoul and Washington such as the release of five detained South Koreans and agreeing to restart stalled joint projects with South Korea.

The journalists said they "didn't spend more than a minute on North Korean soil before turning back" to the Chinese side, and recalled there were no signs marking the international border at the area.

Lee and Ling suggested they might have been lured into crossing the border by their Korean-Chinese guide.

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"To this day, we still don't know if we were lured into a trap," the two wrote. "In retrospect, the guide behaved oddly, changing our starting point on the river at the last moment and donning a Chinese police overcoat for the crossing, measures we assumed were security precautions."

At the riverbank on the North Korean side, the guide pointed out a small village in the distance where he said North Koreans were waiting in safe houses to be smuggled into China, the journalists said. But they said they quickly turned back to China as they felt nervous about where they were.

The journalists acknowledged it was "ultimately our decision" to follow their guide. The guide and Current TV producer Mitch Koss were able to escape at the time of arrest.

Ling and Lee said while they were in detention, they swallowed their notes, damaged their videotapes and made other efforts to protect the identities of their sources.

They said they regretted if any of their actions led to increased scrutiny of activists and North Koreans living along the border.

The two said some parts of their captivity were too painful to revisit publicly, but their experiences "pale when compared to the hardship facing so many people living in North Korea or as illegal immigrants in China."

"We continue to cope with tremendous mental and emotional anguish, but we feel incredibly fortunate to be free and reunited with our families," they said.

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Associated Press writer Hyung-Jin Kim reported from Seoul, South Korea.

SAN FRANCISCO — Two American television reporters imprisoned in North Korea for months say communist soldiers "violently dragged" them back when they returned to Chinese soil after briefly cross...
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- lipai I'm a Fan of lipai 2 fans permalink
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Their unexamined reasoning as to their desire to approach N. Korea is simply amazingly thin, when the actual story, as they keep mentioning throughout, are the N. Korean refugees. They barely refer to this story, and only in the most general terms. It's like sending a national enquirer reporter to do an expose of the Underground Railroad, while it was going on, and showing all the houses and rooms to where the runaway slaves hid.
And this "shine light dark places", let's see what they've "shone" shall we?
--these "reporters" lost most if not all records and notes of their time with the refugees.
--these "reporters" have now endangered the refugees in China, but also their conduit for defection
--these "reporters" are FOREIGN reporters; they do not provide dissent; they aren't citizens of N. Korean.
--these "reporters'" actions buried the lead. They are the news item, the refugee story is now seen as their jumping off platform. Consider the last paragraph.
--these "reporters" committed a hostile act; illegally entering N. Korean, posing as journalists, unregistered with the N. Korean gov't, from a nation hostile to N. Korea. From N. Korea's POV, this is a hostile act.
These are two thought they were Korean; acted like Americans; hid and continue to hide behind Journalism. These two were not brave; they are not journalists; they were stupid but are too afraid to admit that fact to this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 09/06/2009
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“People who play with fire seldom strike a match”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 09/03/2009
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In my experience living in South Korea I have found the Korean people to show tremendous contrition for even perceived offense. It is too bad that these two young women do not possess the character of the Korean people as a whole. I would hope that Al Gore, a man I respect and admire, would disavow such shenanigans at Current TV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/03/2009
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What shenanigans? Journalism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/03/2009
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You call that sensationalist crap journalism? Journalism would have been if they had decided NOT to go for rock souvenirs and the perfect "Look we are in DPRK" shot and taken their existing footage home to inform people of a serious human catastrophe. What they did was more Anderson Cooper than Mike Wallace and even Andy ain't as stupid as these women.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 09/04/2009
- MRb1000 I'm a Fan of MRb1000 11 fans permalink

OH I BELIEVE THIS! IT IS VERY HARD! ANY BORDER WITH NORTH KOREA IS DANGEROUS! EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CANNOT TRUST ANYONE WHEN DEALING WITH NORTH KOREA. THE JOURNALIST KNEW THIS FOR OVER THE PASS FITY YEARS. YOU ARE NOT SAFE IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN IF YOUR ARE WITHIN TEN MILES OF NORTH KOREA WITHOUT THE PRESENT OF AMERICAN ARMS FORCES!

PLEASE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 09/03/2009
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MRb1000, your Caps Lock key is usually on the left side of your keyboard between the TAB and Shift keys. Just FYI...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 09/03/2009
- JoDeeVa I'm a Fan of JoDeeVa 18 fans permalink
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OMG! The cynicism and ignorance of people is unbelievable! Of course, they and all journalists have an agenda, no matter what story they are investigating/ reporting. Isn't that the point? Unlike the 'talking heads' who are covering MSM infotainment that poses as news, the agenda of journalists is to get stories out that are not being covered! Although Ling/ Lee could have been set-up, as they question and I can understand why some might question their judgement given where they were and what they were doing.. I don't question it at all, any more than I questioned the judgement of reporters in Iran during such violent oppression by the government, under the threat to their lives and well-being.

And, I don't doubt or discredit their genuine claim that their intent was to report on "...repression and desperation in North Korea." I don't believe "...they want to milk their experience for all they can get" as some have commented. I sincerely believe they want people to understand what and why they went through what they did. Had they been able to just get their story, get home safely and report on their investigation, would anyone call them stupid or self-serving or question their sincerity? Or, would they be called courageous for their investigation and efforts on behalf of oppressed North Korean refugees in China?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 09/03/2009
- Joe Moore I'm a Fan of Joe Moore 7 fans permalink
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KJI is a bully and a dictator and treats the people in his country like cattle. The North Koreans don't know about the outside world, except what their "honored" leader tells them. If there were knowledge about the international community, and how their own brethren are living in South Korea, there would be a coup and KJI would be out of power.

But in order to stay in power, restraining knowledge and information is the only way to totally control a people.

On the note of the women sneaking in...they were in and out and then abducted from the Chinese side of the border. Meaning N. Korea invaded China, and abducted American citizens. So who is really in the wrong here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 09/02/2009
- PDXPLT I'm a Fan of PDXPLT 2 fans permalink

"The two said some parts of their captivity were too painful to revisit publicly"

Hmmm. i wonder if they were waterboarded? According the the previous Administration, and most Republicans today, this a perfectly acceptable way to treat captives in order to obtain information, and is not torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 09/02/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 82 fans permalink


More likely the R word - no, not Republicanization: It's a four letter word the sensors won't let through, the last three of which are ape.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/05/2009
- Ginger5 I'm a Fan of Ginger5 3 fans permalink

I guess this is what happens when you attempt to take advantage of a desperatly impoverished nation that is suurrounded by 4 powerful nations with a history of plundering the Korean Peninsula.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 09/02/2009
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I new those hotbutton terms I used would cause knee-jerk reactions across the board. First of all referring to the interacial marriage reference that I made; Why is it that some inter-racial combinations are much more prevalent than others. White men and Asian women. How often do you see an Asian man with a white woman. I grew up in the Bay Area and it is widely known especially by Asian men that there is a sub-culture of Asian women who exclusivley date white men and would never look at an Asian man for any reason. These two journalists based on on the footage and what they themselves said seemed to me to fit right into that affore mentioined category. Very often these kind of people think that they are liberal or progressive solely based on the fact that they are in an inter-racial relationship. And that metallity is exactly, I think, what lead these two journalists to beleive that they could con the American public into thinking that they were looking out for themselvesand their own vanity and careers as much as they were trying to supposedly help N. Korean refugees who they eventually left behind in an even more dangerous and perilous situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 09/02/2009
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There are all sorts of reasons, smart & dumb for choosing a mate. Let the courts deal with it. What does it have to do with their judgment as journalists? 2 separate things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 09/02/2009
- nunzia I'm a Fan of nunzia 31 fans permalink

As any hardcore conservative would, I strongly decry your surfing the Net and typing commentary during your work hours. Maybe your boss will find out and fire you.
Gee, then you won't have health insurance.
But, that's no problem since you're not a liberal and hence do not support caring for others.
As any hardcore conservative would, I say if you lose your job and lose your insurance, and hey, maybe even lose a lot more, tough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 09/02/2009
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Wow. This is not an easy line of reasoning to follow but let me see if I've got this straight... You're saying that because these women are married to white men, that indicates that they're liberals or at least think of themselves as liberals without good reason. (?) And the fact they think of themselves as liberals somehow led them to erroneously believe that they could hide their ultimately selfish motivation and somehow this all means that N Korean refugees are in more danger?

KofD, the reason people are questioning your motivation is because you're not making any sense so there's nothing else to focus on but the "hotbutton" terms you use and the creepy inexplicable over-emphasis on Asian women marrying white men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 09/02/2009
- jbarelli I'm a Fan of jbarelli 7 fans permalink
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Leaving aside the temptation to join the spelling and paragraph police, just for the moment...

I have been, and still am somewhat critical of the reporters in question here, but some things we have absolutely no evidence of are:

1. That they were trying to con the American public.

2. That their inter-racial relationships had anything to do with their reporting.

3. That they weren't trying to cover a legitimate story.

I think that there is some evidence that they were a bit naive, that they were ill-prepared and that they made some serious mistakes, for which they and others have paid dearly.

But with all of your talk about race, I think there is some evidence that you have a problem with inter-racial relationships, and that colors your opinion of the people in question. You have seen only a very small part of these women's lives, and somehow seem to know all about their personal beliefs, opinions, culture, etc...

The only real evidence we have about these two ladies is that they made some bad mistakes on an overseas assignment for Current TV. From that, I'm willing to say that they weren't ready for that kind of assignment.

As for their personal lives, their ambitions, their dreams, their opinions and their culture, we've got very little to go on.

You make too much soup from that little bitty oyster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 09/03/2009
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700rpm. I dont mind being critiqued. But would you mind going more into detail?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 09/02/2009
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It's not that complicated KofD... your post is clearly more about your own petty bias and prejudice than the story that you're commenting on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 09/02/2009
- 700rpm I'm a Fan of 700rpm 6 fans permalink

Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 09/02/2009
- Rangergirl I'm a Fan of Rangergirl 18 fans permalink

I have said this before...I am glad they are free....However they put themselves and our Government in a very precarious position...With a nation that hates us and loved the fact that they had us over a barrel...These ladies went across the border and risked their lives and a very touchy situation for this Country....They are really lucky to have gotten out....Also the journalists that crossed into Iran..Bad behavior by them...and risking Our nation getting into a huge bind thanks to their selfishness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 09/02/2009
- globality I'm a Fan of globality 16 fans permalink

They are going to make $$ on this. that is what is really pitiful

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 09/02/2009
- JohnSawyer I'm a Fan of JohnSawyer 41 fans permalink
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How do you know? And even if they do, how do you know they won't take that money and try to help the people they were trying to do a story about? If you can make predictions, why not make some of these kinds?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 09/02/2009
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Everyone please excuse the type-o's in my last post. I am at work and I dont really have time to proof-read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/02/2009
- 700rpm I'm a Fan of 700rpm 6 fans permalink

Your typos are excusable but your pettiness isn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 09/02/2009
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They come across as condescending, self-important, limosine liberals, who think the world needs their compassion (if you live or have lived in California in the last 20 years then you know the type im referring to) But its never really about the people who supposedly need there help. It is ulitimately always about them. They became the story and that is OK with them. Forget about the starving and suffering refugees we were intitallly supposed to be covering. In the end it's about us getting back to our white husbands and the wonderful lifes we left behind in San Francisco.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 09/02/2009

They do not seem like that to me. Methinks you are viewing them through a prism of your own prejudices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/02/2009
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All you've managed to convey here is that you have a clear bias toward liberalism that has little or nothing to do with this story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 09/02/2009
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Oh... and lest we forget, a slightly less obvious problem with interracial marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 09/02/2009
- Balzac I'm a Fan of Balzac 119 fans permalink
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Ethnic politics does play a role in this. Korea was invaded by the United States. South Korea still has our military base. These girls both married westerners. Now they're trying to politically subvert the North Korean regime, which does not host an American military base.

Technically, the United States and Korea are still at war.

"In response to the incident, a senior administration official told the New York Times "that the United States would never grant full diplomatic recognition to North Korea, or sign a peace treaty formally ending the Korean War, unless its nuclear capability is dismantled."
http://www.slate.com/id/2219060/

Don't be obtuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 09/02/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 34 fans permalink
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And what have you done to help suffering people around the world mr KingofPotatoes? The only condescending, self-important, potato couch conservative I see is you criticizing those who do while you do nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 09/02/2009
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Let's see... I'm a poor starving girl sold as a s e x sl a v e... Do I want the self-indulgent liberal to come to my aid and possibly make my life better? Or do I wait for the people who sit on their l a z y bums and bash the self-indulgent liberals that come to my aid?

Such a hard choice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 09/02/2009
- xansam I'm a Fan of xansam 20 fans permalink

i still do not feel badly for them, they knowingly crossed the border.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 09/02/2009

Actually, if you READ the article, they claim that they were not sure.

"Laura Ling and Euna Lee said they hesitantly followed their guide when he beckoned them across a frozen river into the North and were "firmly back" on the Chinese side when North Korean border guards grabbed them on March 17."

That said, your statement does not make sense. On the other hand, it may be quite some time before we ever get to the bottom of this. I will also like to add that it is the duty of reporters to take risks, but those must be carefully calculated to not create an international mess. BTW that area can be very gray as they have found out..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/02/2009
- 700rpm I'm a Fan of 700rpm 6 fans permalink

Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 09/02/2009
- lipai I'm a Fan of lipai 2 fans permalink
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then why did they not ask their guide as to where they were?

my problem with this is that comments about their actions and this conversation with this "guide" are not particularly revealing. most people (in fact all) know the difficulties surrounding N. Korea. I'm surprised that they claim that Rev. Chun didn't warn them when he knew what their travel plans were; and then the good Rev. states that he did warn them since he knows the geopolitical climate over there. My guess is either there was a slip and he forgot to mention but he meant it in good faith (which would seem a little odd for a Reverend working on such a delicate mission), or these two weren't listening.

To your comment about taking risks and gray areas, that is certainly true, but in this case it was obvious as black and white; the risk was not theirs to take, and N. Korea has specific consequences for what they were trying to do (and they knew it).

There are two rationales for their action to enter N. Korea; either they were complicit or not. If they were complicit, then they were fully aware of the ramifications and ignored it. If they weren't, then they were just tourists posing as journalists. Either way, they looked and acted stupidly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 09/06/2009
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