Key Senate Dems Signal Resistance To Troop Increase In Afghanistan

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KEN THOMAS and LOLITA C. BALDOR | 09/ 4/09 08:55 PM | AP

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An Afghan security policeman, left, stands near a burnt fuel tanker and tractor in Kunduz, north of Kabul, Afghanistan, Friday, Sept. 4, 2009. NATO jet blasted two fuel tankers hijacked by the Taliban in northern Afghanistan, setting off a huge fireball Friday that killed up to 90 people, Afghan officials said. (AP Photo)

WASHINGTON — Key Senate Democrats signaled Friday that any push by President Barack Obama to send more troops to Afghanistan is likely to hit resistance on Capitol Hill, deepening a growing political divide on the war even within his own party.

Speaking on a day when a U.S. bombed tanker trucks hijacked by the Taliban killing 70 people, including some civilians, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said the U.S. must focus more on building the Afghan security forces. His cautionary stance was echoed by Sen. Jack Reed, who is also on the committee and spent two days in Afghanistan this week with Levin.

The senators will return to Washington next week, just as Obama receives a new military review of Afghanistan strategy that officials expect will be followed up by a request for at least a modest increase in U.S. troops battling insurgents in the eight-year-old war.

Obama came into office pledging to shift U.S. focus from the war in Iraq to the Afghan fight, which had long been a secondary priority. But as war-weary Americans have watched another 21,000 troops go to Afghanistan, and U.S. casualties rise, support for the war has waned.

As a result, lawmakers say they want the U.S. to more quickly train and equip the Afghan Army and police so that the embattled country can take over its own security needs.

"There are a lot of ways to speed up the numbers and capabilities of the Afghan army and police. They are strongly motivated," Levin said from Kuwait. "I think that we should pursue that course ... before we consider a further increase in combat forces beyond what's already been planned to be sent in the months ahead."

Levin said there is a growing consensus on the need to expedite the training and equipping of the Afghan army to improve security in Afghanistan, where 51 U.S. troops died in August, making it the bloodiest month for American forces there since the U.S.-led invasion in late 2001.

In a separate call, Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat, said the U.S. must use a multi-pronged approach: build up the Afghan Army, send more civilians to Afghanistan to provide economic and political assistance, and reach out to Taliban supporters who are willing to recognize the Kabul government.

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"If we're successful on rapidly building up the Afghan military ... that diminishes the need for additional combat troops," he said.

The hesitancy to boost troops levels comes just days after Obama's defense chief suggested a willingness to consider an increase. Defense Secretary Robert Gates this week urged patience with the war effort, and said he would be comfortable with a larger U.S. military presence in Afghanistan as long as the increase reassured the country's citizens that the Americans were there for the benefit of Afghans.

Gates has declined to talk about any specific recommendations contained in a new review of Afghanistan strategy sent this week to them and the president by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan. But he has also said he could only consider a major increase in combat troops under certain conditions.

McChrystal is expected to send a separate recommendation on troop increases, but how many troops McChrystal wants is unclear. There could be as many as 20,000, but in recent days military officials have predicted it will be far less, perhaps fewer than 10,000.

Levin and Reed spent two days in Afghanistan visiting with Marines in the Helmand Province and speaking with government leaders and ministers in the capital city of Kabul. The trip also included stops in Iraq, Kuwait and Pakistan.

Levin said McChrystal did not share any plans for additional troops but they discussed efforts to provide Afghan troops with more training and equipment.

The Michigan Democrat said the delegation met with elders in the volatile Helmand province who urged them to help Afghanistan provide for its own security so American troops would no longer be needed.

"They want us to give them the support that they need to be self-sufficient in terms of their security. I believe that's what they want, that should be our goal and I believe it's achievable," he said.

Any additional funding approved by Congress likely will be spent to train Afghan army, police and other security forces to take over the fight against the Taliban, and on equipment to protect U.S. troops from attacks and homemade bombs known as IEDs.

By the end of the year, an estimated 68,000 troops will be in Afghanistan, 21,000 of which were ordered there by Obama last spring. Military commanders and State Department officials on the ground have said many more are needed to get the job done.

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Associated Press writer Eric Tucker contributed to this report from Providence, R.I.

WASHINGTON — Key Senate Democrats signaled Friday that any push by President Barack Obama to send more troops to Afghanistan is likely to hit resistance on Capitol Hill, deepening a growing poli...
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- einstein10 I'm a Fan of einstein10 43 fans permalink

"Military commanders and State Department officials on the ground have said many more are needed 'to get the job done'."

'to get the job done' ? Isn't that the same nauseating Bush lingo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 09/07/2009
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They have yet to say what the "job" actually is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 09/08/2009
- PaiaGirl I'm a Fan of PaiaGirl 113 fans permalink
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We have voices on both the left and right saying "Get out"

Let's do it. Let's bring our kids home and leave these poor Afghans and Iraqis alone

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 09/07/2009
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good

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/07/2009
- Tunde15 I'm a Fan of Tunde15 7 fans permalink

Just say NO to troop increase in Afghanistan. ENOUGH. Mr. President, you cannot continue the war in Afghanistan and still expect prosperity at home. It is a ZERO SUM game. We didn't elect you so you can show us you're some war president. Cut the Hubris and focus on the economy, healthcare, education and least we forget JOBS JOBS JOBS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 09/07/2009

Ever notice how most ordinary people just ignore the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? This silence spells doom. Our elected officials and the military industrialist are free to play their war games with no accountability to the American public.

The U.S. is marching toward doomsday with deficit budgets and deficit morals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 09/07/2009
- PaiaGirl I'm a Fan of PaiaGirl 113 fans permalink
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The corporations and administration have been doing a very clever job in keeping war images away from normal people.

Thus the huge flurry of ire at posting that photo of the de ad soldier. It was about the first real image we've seen in 7 years of war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 09/07/2009

This will only be bad. The viable choices in Obama's Afghan War are limited to two. One, an overwhelming force and a traditional counter insurgency or a very limited force and stopping open support of terrorism. Obama has eliminated the minimal force option and the Democratic Congress is eliminating the overwhelming force option. So, the US military will be forced to fight a limited counter insurgency with all the disadvantages it brings. Welcome to Obamanam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 09/07/2009
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welcome to more bullhite in the morning...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 09/07/2009
- happykiddo I'm a Fan of happykiddo 11 fans permalink

US clearly stated after 9/11, either you are with us or against us. Pakistan stood with us, but Afghanistan and the Taliban stood against us. After 3000 civilians dead, did you really think the USA was going to do nothing?

Taliban decided to stand with Bin Laden. So therefore, the Taliban must go. bye bye. Blame the leaders of your country for standing with that wealthy psycho. I guess behind that religous persona and teachings, the taliban is just the same. drug dealing, money hungry....m0r0ns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 09/07/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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How about a RESISTANCE to even being there or in Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 09/07/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

I know, why don't we bring all recruits to the US and train them over here where it would be a lot less expensive than keeping our troops over there?

Afghanistan isn't going anywhere, so we have plenty of time to train them using our own facilities rather than Halliburton's.

Then, they can go back home and fight for all the freedom they want.

Problem solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 09/07/2009
- whiskyjack I'm a Fan of whiskyjack 4 fans permalink

Interesting idea...however, do you know how much is spent just to get our troops to the field? Millions of dollars. Everyone should keep in mind, the troops they are talking about training. The military of Afghanistan was pretty much did not exist. No one kept the Taliban in check for years. They put their own country back in the dark ages. Those who want to fight the Taliban need A LOT of money and support. More troops are needed because more Afghan citizens are fighting back, and the Taliban are loosing their strong holds. A strong push, (more troops), would push the Taliban fighter back enough for us to bring in Civilians to help rebuild the country and military. More troops would mean less money spent later, and a faster END to the war. We would leave a country more capable of defending itself. Yes we have to spend billions more, but no one complained when TRILLIONS were spent during the bush years. Funny...no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 09/07/2009
- happykiddo I'm a Fan of happykiddo 11 fans permalink

huh? did you forget how the democrats won the election? Any thing against Bush rhetoric.

no one complained!! LOL...

MSNBC was born under the ANti bush hate rhetoric. without W, overman would still be at ESPN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 09/07/2009
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Party Pics from Kabul!

See you Tax Dollars at Work, and the Quackinhut guards at play!

along with Wackenhuts "Values" Statement!

http://www.suburbanempire.com/content/wackenhut-mission-statementvalues

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 09/07/2009
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un-college frat boys...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 09/07/2009

Which one is Joe the Plumber?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 09/07/2009
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In early May, Michael Thibault, co-chair of the independent Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan, highlighted a simple, if disturbing statistic at the second hearing of his newly established body. Out of 504 oversight officials that, by Pentagon estimate, are needed to keep an eye on KBR's contract in Afghanistan alone, just 166 were actually in the field in April 2009. As Thibault added:

"After more than six years of fighting, this is just one example of serious and persistent shortfalls in staffing and training. In military parlance, no one is pulling guard duty on contractor performance. This example, an issue by itself, points to another broader question. Who is responsible? Who's going to fix these types of issues?"

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15372

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 09/07/2009

There is no accountability because no one wants to take responsibility. That's why the war was "farmed out" to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/07/2009
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Haliburton's KBR STILL RAKING IN THE PROFITS in 2008!

KBR nonetheless took in another $5.7 billion from the U.S. taxpayer in 2008, up 15 percent from the $4.8 billion it received in 2007. With the planned drawdown of U.S. troops in Iraq, KBR expects its revenue to fall this year. But shareholders need not worry: Its contract with the Pentagon, signed in April 2008, potentially sets it up to make more than triple the maximum profits allowed in the previous six years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 09/07/2009
- magic3400 I'm a Fan of magic3400 9 fans permalink
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I just can't see leaving Afghanistan without OBL's head on a stick, that said, win or come home.

If we are going to redux Vietnam, get out now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 09/07/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 136 fans permalink

We have special forces troops on ships in the gulf, and we have bases in the region. We could mount an operation against OBL anytime he pops his head up, without maintaining a huge force in Afghanistan.

Back in 2001, the commander on the ground asked for 5,000 special forces to be flown in so we could surround the Tora Bora caves and get OBL. OBL is reported to have broadcast an apology to his own forces, as he expected them and he to be wiped out momentarily. The request for the troops was denied, reportedly by the White House, and OBL escaped. One more reason to be upset.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 09/07/2009
- magic3400 I'm a Fan of magic3400 9 fans permalink
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"We have special forces troops on ships in the gulf"

Yeah, I know, I was one of them once upon a time...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 09/07/2009
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Special Forces had the opportunity at Tora Bora, but they were denied permission to follow through on the attack. Here is the story from the commander of the mission.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/02/60minutes/main4494937.shtml

According to George W Bush, Osama is no longer important. When you look at what we are doing there, it appears that the last thing on our mind is to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice. Beyond that, there is no reason to be in Afganistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 09/08/2009
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

I want to cry. I elected this man because: I thought he was against a useless self inflicted war and would get us out.
I thought he believed in universal health care.
I thought he wanted the financial thieves to be stopped and brought to account.
Etc., etc., etc.
I guess I was wrong. I am heartsick but ready to join a movement and try again! Yes, we the people can!
My gut instinct? A doctor whose exuberance was used against him. Never again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 09/07/2009
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you might like some of the upcoming posts on obama

http://www.suburbanempire.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 09/07/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 136 fans permalink

He is the President of the whole nation, not just one part of it. He has to lead us into change, not force us into it. That is the way of the wise, democraticly elected leader.
Making changes in a country like China is much simpler. Since it is a dictatorship, it is much more difficult for dissenters to have their voices heard. Do we want to live in a country like China, where it is so much easier to make changes?

That said, want a real reason to cry? Next time, vote Republican. Try to imagine what eight years of McCain/Palin would have been like, after eight years of Bush/Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 09/07/2009
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

I am totally with you, believe me. AND I would only vote for a different dem. AND only in the primary. We can't afford one more repug in the WH until this mess is straightened out. It seems we straighten things out, then people get complacent and forget who started the mess to begin with. I just wish he was sticking more closely to his campaign statements. I felt quite a large majority of folks agreed with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 09/07/2009
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 13 fans permalink

May they HANG IN THERE!!! Anybody see 60 minutes tonight? That soldier saying maybe 15 YEARS??? OMG!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 09/07/2009
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