As U.S. Government Props Up Housing, Taxpayers Are On The Hook For Billions

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First Posted: 09- 7-09 09:11 AM   |   Updated: 09- 7-09 09:21 AM

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In the go-go years of the U.S. housing boom, virtually anybody could get a few hundred thousand dollars to buy a home, and private lenders flooded the market, aggressively pursuing borrowers no matter their means or financial history.

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In the go-go years of the U.S. housing boom, virtually anybody could get a few hundred thousand dollars to buy a home, and private lenders flooded the market, aggressively pursuing borrowers no matter...
In the go-go years of the U.S. housing boom, virtually anybody could get a few hundred thousand dollars to buy a home, and private lenders flooded the market, aggressively pursuing borrowers no matter...
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Finally I feel like I'm getting something for my tax dollars. Let's see they take money from me, give it to banks who then loan it back to me? Did I miss the order of things?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 09/09/2009

It seems our efforts to achieve actual results with regards to reform in the banking & finance sectors are futile. In addition, the disconnect between reality and wall street keeps widening. The situation is frustrating.
hat tip: to http://www.iamned.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 09/09/2009

Obama isn't doing enough with regards to executive pay and bank & wallstreet regulation

good articles: http://www.iamned.com ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 09/08/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 294 fans permalink
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The "American Dream" has become a nightmare. Whatever happened to the country of "taxation without representation?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 09/08/2009
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It's "no taxation without representation."
We have taxation without representation now, 'cuz the corporate
greed money-masters own most all of the people in positions of power like indentured servants.

We wonder how it feels to be owned?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/08/2009

We are suffering a national nervous breakdown attempting to deny the calumny of national bankruptcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 09/07/2009

Your government is making it worst, it is being done on purpose too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 09/07/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 248 fans permalink

We still have Credit Default Swaps and collateralized debt obligations, so yes, TARP is still backing CDS's even without any cash reserve requirements.

We were extorted for 24T$ in loans and backing, the banks then used that money as more power to grow bigger and extort more next time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 09/07/2009
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CDS have no reserve requirement, but that does not inhibit people from paying the premium. You do research, tell me why?

They enjoy wasting money? They get a thrill out of getting nothing for something? I just want to know why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 09/07/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 248 fans permalink

Because they know the systemic risk will force the Government to bail them out when it fails, See my profile for complete primer on the economy and the crash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 09/08/2009
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We're not even remotely close to being bankrupt. We're basically like the young couple who buys a tad too much house and has to scrimp for the first couple of years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 09/07/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 248 fans permalink

600T$ in gambling debt is the problem. The whole world economy is only 70T$.

We lent the Banksters who caused the crash, 24T$, one third of the Global GDP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 09/08/2009
- dnpvd51 I'm a Fan of dnpvd51 3 fans permalink

Why is the government encouraging people to borrow an insane amount of money to pay too much for an overpriced house?

If a bank with actual skin in the game is not willing to lend money on a house, the house costs too much. There are no two ways here.

We either have a free market or we have the government command driven economy. And this government lending program is worse than communism since at least in communism one does not need to take on an insane amount of debt to live in a nice house. One need only be politically connected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 09/07/2009

exactly.

The only way banks would be lending money for home loans in this economy without huge downpayment is because there is some guarantee somewhere.

either they be able to securitize the loans and get their hands off the toxic stuff or they just lend it to "worthy borrowers" (yes that means substantial downpayment).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 09/07/2009

We are paying for the Baby boomer retirment now with the money of the Future..and ours in Gen X and Y. We are trying to prop up this eggshell of an economy the boomers left us when they sold everything to China so they can sit on a nice pillow of money till they rot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 09/07/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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This is Great. Just Great. Way to go D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 09/07/2009

I will say this again, just remember this post.

FHA is soon to implode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 09/07/2009
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Cool I'm ready for obama's economic bubble to burst.

cap 'N trade whoohoo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 09/07/2009
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The article is fundamentally flawed.

We are on the hook for our society. It can only be mitigated by moving away. If the wheel come off America, try to reason through what would happen.

Do you honestly think the taxpayers a devastated country would pay off trillions of dollars in guarantees? No, that would never happen. What are they going to do, enslave the population?

Ultimately money is a convenient illusion. The guarantees are illusions guaranteeing an illusion. If the wheels come off the USA, the country would essentially hit the reset button - uncharted waters for the economy of the earth. The taxpayer will never, as in never ever, be on the hook for 90% of any guarantees made by the United States government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 09/07/2009

If we had had to put down 20% when we got our house, well, we wouldn't have gotten our house. We might never have gotten a house. If people had to fork over $20,000 in cash (and it should have to be in cash) to buy a $100,000 house - they'd think a lot more before buying that house! And they'd go over that sucker with a fine tooth comb, looking for defects. But when you buy a house with little down, your rent in many instances equals your house payment. Not the upkeep, but the payment. I don't think the housing market will ever fully rebound because many people will not be willing to take a chance on such a risky financial item again. People now realize that their house is only worth what the market (and the economy) says it is. If there is a severe depression, your house (no matter what you paid) might be worth as little as a third of its original cost. Why buy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/07/2009

You answered the question yourself.

Govt. SHOULD NOT be encouraging home-ownership of any kind. Home ownership rules should be changed. Make it illegal to give out loans without 20% down.

20% down worked in the past. It will work now. When a buyer has put 20% down of his own money, he is not going to walk away just because value of the property dropped.

its called "skin in the game".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 09/07/2009
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Except, in the past there have been housing bubbles, and they have popped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 09/07/2009
- billyfitz I'm a Fan of billyfitz 14 fans permalink
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Except houses anywhere you would want to live have gotten so expensive, 20% down becomes a prohibitive number. To go back to 20% down like you say, we would also need to go back to housing prices that aren't ridiculously inflated.

Are you willing to sell your house for what it was worth in the 70's or early 80's? Good luck finding buyers with 20% otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 09/07/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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We have had 2 and 5% down financing for the past 50 years. VA loans and FHA loans are between 0-5% down loans. They were made in the 40's and 50's to middle America and they have never presented much of a problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/08/2009
- LunaPark I'm a Fan of LunaPark 14 fans permalink

Yes, you hit on the crux of the housing bubble. Cheap credit and money supply from the Federal Reserve discount window ultimately allowed banks and mortgage companies to push cheap consumer loans with low or zero down payments. This fueled the boom. If potential buyers were not able to raise 20% down payment on a $100,000 house, then maybe the price would have fallen to say $75,000. There would have been no boom. The market decides best. NOT central economic planning from the Fed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 09/07/2009
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When is the discount window opened?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/07/2009
- sculptor I'm a Fan of sculptor 7 fans permalink

Your cynicism is understandable but you've got to remember that, to a certain extent, this was a crisis engineered by the Bush administration and the people that supported it. to save their own political asses. Remember, the housing bubble is what pulled the economy out of the recession of 2001. In addition to their cleared warped conservative prejudice against regulation, this made those in charge very reluctant to look the gift bourse in the mouth and do something about all the sleazy loans and bogus financial instruments that were driving the bubble. Owning a home may in many circumstances not make as much sense as renting but it does offer a certain sense of security and peace of mind that is hard to put a price on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 09/07/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 40 fans permalink

I mis-read the headline, initially. Either my bias, or a poorly written headline--no matter.

I read it that 90% of homebuyers, are taxpayers. Not the argument being offered, as I learned by reading the article.

I am curious, though. How many homebuyers ARE acutal INCOME-TAX paying purchasers? If your income level is so low, that you aren't an income-tax payer, should you be entiltled to the implicit mortgage guarantee subsidized only by taxpayers?

Anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/07/2009
- billyfitz I'm a Fan of billyfitz 14 fans permalink
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Low income citizens tend to rent, as they don't have money to buy houses - knucklehead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 09/07/2009
- mikefina I'm a Fan of mikefina 40 fans permalink

Factually incorrect. Intellectually dishonest. Boneheaded, silliness from an indefensibly uninformed scribbler.

http://www.federalhousingtaxcredit.com/2009/faq.php

I don’t owe taxes and/or my income is exempt from tax and I do not have a filing requirement. Do I qualify for the credit?

A. The credit is fully refundable and, if you qualify as a first-time homebuyer, having tax-exempt income will not preclude eligibility. Although there are maximum income limits for qualifying first-time homebuyers, there are no minimum income criteria. Thus, someone with no taxable income who qualifies as a first-time homebuyer may file for the sole purpose of claiming the credit for a refund.

SO, since you have nothing to add, please go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 09/07/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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It may be this article is misleading.
One could also say that because we have to pay for gasoline with US printed dollars, that the Federal Government is needed to by any gasoline.
Banks and mortgage companies are making the loans. The money comes from selling older loans to FNMA or Freddie Mac. Since FNMA has run out of funds, the injection of money into FNMA by the treasury allows them to continue to purchase mortgages made by banks. Its part of the solution to the credit crunch. Before, the loans could be packaged in bundles and sold overseas with a AAA rating to raise cash.
How reliable is a AAA rating now?
The US treasury has always injected funds into the Banking system so they could lend the cash out to buy cars, TV's and lawnmowers. Now it is lending to FNMA which is a quasi-government institution, so people can buy homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 09/07/2009
- LunaPark I'm a Fan of LunaPark 14 fans permalink

Freddie and Fannie were private shareholder owned companies. They should have been allowed to fail and go through the bankruptcy process. Instead, as the article points out, tax payers are on the hook for $5 trillion worth of bad loans. The shareholders have been rewarded for making bad decisions. Private companies manipulating our government. Ralph Nader calls this a "corporate managed market." Ron Paul calls it, "soft fascism." Whatever it's called, it's horribly unjust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/07/2009
- xansam I'm a Fan of xansam 17 fans permalink

so we can not have "socialized" medicine but we can have socialized housing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 09/07/2009

Socialized housing is really to help the Banks with their horrible balance sheets if the requirement for mark to market accounting was not waived. This is a way to use tax payer money to indirectly bail out the banks. If the banks did not benefit, then Obama's Wall Street Administration would have fought it (like they fought against letting bankruptcy judges reset value of mortgages to a realistic value instead of kicking families to the street.).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 09/07/2009
- xansam I'm a Fan of xansam 17 fans permalink

fair point, but people only buy because banks have relaxed the rules and they know they government is going to bail them out. nobody seems especially outraged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 09/07/2009
- dennisrs I'm a Fan of dennisrs 32 fans permalink
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Again coming to the taxpayer for another bailout. Next will be the credit card companies and bank division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/07/2009
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