Oliver Stone's Hugo Chavez Film Makes Venice Premiere

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COLLEEN BARRY | 09/ 7/09 03:42 PM | AP

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VENICE, Italy — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez received a movie star welcome Monday at the Venice Film Festival, where he walked the red carpet with director Oliver Stone for the premiere of the documentary "South of the Border."

Hundreds of admirers, some chanting "president, president," gathered outside of the Casino for the leader's arrival. A few held up Venezuelan flags and a banner in Spanish that read "Welcome, president."

Chavez threw a flower into the crowd and touched his heart, and at one point took a photographer's camera to snap a picture himself. Security outside the Casino was tightened in advance of his arrival, with military police checking bags.

Chavez praised Stone's work for depicting what he said were improvements made across Latin America.

"Rebirth is happening in Latin America, and Stone went to look for it and he found it," Chavez told reporters. "With his cameras and his genius, he's captured a good part of that rebirth."

Stone says "South of the Border" is meant to illustrate "the sweeping changes" in South America in recent years as a direct counterpoint to what he sees as Chavez's depiction as a dictator by U.S. and European media.

Stone spent extensive time with Chavez for the 75-minute documentary, which is premiering at the Venice Film Festival on Monday, and also interviewed the leaders of Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Cuba and Paraguay, whom Stone said "are on the same page" as Chavez.

"He's a guy you should meet and get to know. ... He's the star of the movie," Stone said in an interview before the premiere.

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Stone said he wanted to illustrate changes that put in power in many South American countries leaders who represent the majority of their populations, a movement exemplified by Chavez. He cited Bolivian President Evo Morales, the first Indian to be elected president, and Brazil's Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, a well-known trade unionist.

"If you look now, there are seven presidents, eight countries with Chile, that are really moving away from the Washington consensus control," Stone said. "But in America, they don't get that story."

Stone was invited to Venezuela to meet Chavez for the first time during the Venezuelan leader's aborted rescue mission of Colombian hostages held by FARC rebels. Stone said the Chavez he met was different than some U.S. media depictions.

He returned in January to interview Chavez, and continued on to four other countries to interview Chavez's allies, with Cuban and Ecuadorean leaders joining him in Paraguay.

Stone is best known for his dramas, but he also has made four documentaries, including "Comandante," the 2003 documentary based on a meeting with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which the director says in many ways led him to Chavez.

"I used the real man," Stone said. "I hope you realize how dynamic he is in the movie. What I like about the film is you see how sincere he is on camera. You don't see a guy who is a phony. He's not a dictator."

Stone had said he spent "several hours here and there" with Chavez. The movie shows him at Chavez's enormous desk and visiting the president's childhood home, where he rides into the frame on a child's bicycle, which breaks under his weight. He immediately offers to pay for it. Footage also shows Chavez driving his own vehicle and stopping to greet supporters.

Stone said he didn't see it necessary to present the opposition's case in his film.

"A dark side? There's a dark side to everything. Why do you seek out the dark side when the guy is doing good things?" Stone asked. "He is a democrat and there is opposition to him, and he's not perfect. But he is doing tremendous things for Venezuela and the region."

Chavez's critics accuse him of growing increasingly authoritarian while sidelining key opponents and trying to clamp down on the private media.

Opponents also say Chavez's international crusade against U.S. influence is misguided, and accuse him of ignoring problems at home ranging from rampant crime to corruption.

Stone concedes that Chavez "says things unnecessary to provoke. I think he doesn't have to do that." But he said his opinion of Chavez only improved during the making of the documentary.

"People forget that he cut the poverty rate by one half," Stone said. "People in Venezuela are getting an education, they are getting health care and welfare. He actually delivered on what he said he would."

The movie's screenwriter is Tariq Ali, the British-Pakistani historian who most recently wrote "Pirates of the Caribbean: Axis of Hope," and it was produced by Fernando Sulichin. Stone also was advised by economist Mark Weisbrot of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

"South of the Border" is showing out of competition at the Venice Film Festival, which ends Saturday with the awarding of the Golden Lion.

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Associated Press writer Fabiola Sanchez in Caracas contributed to this report.

VENICE, Italy — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez received a movie star welcome Monday at the Venice Film Festival, where he walked the red carpet with director Oliver Stone for the premiere of t...
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check out oliver stone: http://www.talcualdigital.com/Avances/Viewer.aspx?id=25394&secid=44

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 09/09/2009
- mystic I'm a Fan of mystic 18 fans permalink

Oliver Stone is a true patriot because he exposes the misdeeds and yes, crimes, of his own country and comparing his own "democracy" to that of others. I never read about Chavez invading and occupying three non-threatening countries like the US has done. I don't read that Venezuela has murdered over a million people like Bush did in Iraq. I never read that Chavez promised not to torture and rendition his people to countries that practice torture and then do so anyway, like Bush did and Obama is now doing. Who's the bad guy here? And who's givng his country all the health care they need and who is not? Who is against the coup in Honduras and who is supporting the coup? Who speaks out against the atrocities in Palestine and who keeps silent? Who supports the democratic rule of law and who ignores the rule of law by ignoring his predecessor's war crimes? We have to give ourselves a long hard look in the mirror before we start criticising other countries and telling them about how "democracy" should be. Oliver Stone is a good place to start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 09/09/2009
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22 yr old venezuelan student Julio Rivas, imprisoned for 24 years for painting grafitti on a wall #40 political prisioner from Chavez's represive regime. http://bit.ly/P9JJ4
and chavez? gallivanting around lybia, iran, bielorrusia, and venice staying at the most expensive hotel in venice at 2000 per room, and closed a whole floor "for security reasons" who's paying for that? " que viva la robolu$ión y que se jodan los pobres"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 09/09/2009
- mystic I'm a Fan of mystic 18 fans permalink

I love galivanting! Is that a new dance? The Galivante!! Ole!!!
I suppose it all boils down to who helps the poor (like you know that guy Jesus??? Chavez?) and who has such contempt for the poor (Katrina, the uninsured- (Bush, his protege Obama)--Who needs POOR people? They''re only good for fodder in Afghanistan and Iraq and ooooh, our new war in Pakistan!!All that moneyfor the poor could rather be used to pay the CEOS higher bonuses, surley that's what we want?

What I love about Chavez is that he's not scared of rubbishy bullies like the US or Israel.
And Russia feels the same way. Russia just told Avigdor Lieberman, you know that cockroach in Israel, that it has to cancel his meeting with Putin in deference to Chavez/ Wow!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!! Way to go Putin!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/11/2009
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lol your pretty ignorant but thats ok..for your information when a president is invited to a country he and his entire gabinet stay in the hotels assained to them by the national government of the country in which he is staying...­.! dont talk nonsense babygirl..­.! i live out here in venezuelaa­...and everything is good...tru­st me...! poor people are finally eating getting medicare welfare everyones happy.... the majority anyway..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 09/15/2009
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You're confused. Go move to Venezuela.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 09/09/2009

You really have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Do you know that murder rates have tripled ever since Chavez took power? Do you know that while there was a giant mudslide in the central coast (Vargas) in 1999 that took many many lives, Chavez gave specific orders to the troops not to abandon voting centers - instead of giving orders of tending to the victims of this disaster (since you've brought up Katrina). Do you know that because of some of Chavez's economic measures most supermarkets are under-supplied: sometimes you can't find chicken, rice, sugar, milk, beef, beans, etc? Do you know that people die in public hospitals because they don't even have functional oxygen tanks? Do you know that people are prosecuted for publicly opposing the Chavez's regime? Do you know that while Chavez gives away oil and money in order to expand his so called revolution, Venezuelans starve to death? How would you feel if you had to cash a check in a bank and in order to do so you would have to stand on line at a bank for at least 4 hours? What would you do when parking your car at 6pm only a block away from the supermarket makes you fear for your safety and your life? How would you feel if saw militars armed with machine guns all over your city?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 09/14/2009

Are you a Liberal? did you oppose Bush? do you like Chavez? I challenge you to grow a pair a see the world for what it is. There are tyrants on both sides, and for those of us who know what is really going on, who have lived through it since we were children and who have studied the problem without conforming to the pre-packaged views of either side, we know the reality. And everyday we fly our flags, the yellow, blue and red upside down in distress hoping for something to redeem la madre patria

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 09/09/2009
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Nothing will change anywhere in the world until the entrenched systems of authority and hierarchy are dismantled and replaced by true direct democracy and equality for all people.

The US is a very open and free society to a point.
You can say anything you want to say no matter how unpopular.­.. until large numbers of people start to listen to you.

An ignorant, complacent, and apathetic population is the easiest to control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 09/09/2009
- lavici I'm a Fan of lavici 5 fans permalink
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read bill maher's take on american society...­he doens't precisely agree with you... on the contrary. he says it's mostly stupid. and he's one of yours...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 09/09/2009

I'm a Liberal, I'm a Venezuelan, I'm against Chavez I've seen prosecution. I live in exile. Now, a message for the left in the U.S: it is time you be consistent, supporting Chavez while just shows your level of ignorance regarding the reality of what has happened in my country. Political freedoms have been cut one by one, freedom of expression is on the brink of disappearing, so is our right to protest. Being a Liberal does not mean only that we stand against poverty, lack of education and discrimination. We stand for freedoms, the freedom of people to choose, to express their mind, to practice any religion, right of dissent, right to think freely and the right to challenge our state. None of these rights are any longer safe in Venezuela, they were taken away in the last 10 years. There are blacklists, there are people in jail only for opposing the president.

Has poverty in Venezuela been reduced? do you really think so? do you trust the official statistics from the government? I'll tell you something I worked in the barrios of Caracas and most of the people that "learned" how to read and write with the misiones never actually did, they were given a diploma without any actual requisites, most of the people in the program does not actually go to half the lessons. No water, No food, No electricity, 50% inflation for the poor. Gas del bueno is what you will get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 09/09/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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Thank you saint13

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 09/09/2009
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gracias saint 13 aquí sigo yo llevando gas del bueno, pero usando bicarbonato para desactivar sus efectos, paciencia y salivita.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/09/2009
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and as a good night gift for y'all, please check out the cartoons in venezuela's newspapers today... they speak louder than words, i should have posted them first thing before having all kinds of byzantine discussions with the jiugofanbase
http://www.noticierodigital.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=572836

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 09/08/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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Very good,thank you for this lavici.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 09/08/2009
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OLIVER STONE.- by one of our most experienced political analists: Teodoro Petkoff, who by the way was a communist, resigned from the party, created the first socialist party in venezuela, ran for president 3 times, was the planning minister during caldera's socialchristian presidency, and left the party he created when they decided to follow hugo. today he is the editor of one of the most acerbic opposition newspapers in venezuela, and has been fined heavily for his articles, but the public collected the money to pay for the fine, and donated the rest to the catholic university. check out what he has to say about OLIVER STONE: http://www.talcualdigital.com/SimonBoccanegra/Viewer.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 09/08/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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I loved when he said.." Is easy to understand why some honest leftists like Chomsky or Stone every time that a third world leftist militar like Chavez or a fake Guerilla man like Marcos pop up in Latin America, embrace them like cheerleaders thanks to the impotence that they feel because there's no real space for the left in their own country(US­)..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 09/08/2009
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yes, teodoro petkoff certainly cannot be accused of being anything other than a true believer and participant of the modern left, democratic and truly socialist, he was even a guerrillero in the mountains of falcón when he was a commie, and publicly he resigned taking the wrath of brezhnev on his shoulders. so chavez cannot go against him, he cannot accuse him of being an oligarch or a fascist. as petkoff has been in his life everything chavez has wanted to be, but isn't. i recommend that you read his book: "las dos izquierdas". a very interesting analysis of the neanderthal stalinist failed conception of the left of castro and chavez , and the modern democratic one of lula and bachelet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/09/2009

To treat Chavez' story as quintessential is to accept that executive power is what truly matters. Many movements in Latin America self-identify as against power and presidents. Films about the Latin American left that don't go into the legacy of Che, the Sandanistas, and the Zapatistas present the aspirations of the oppressed without the framework of ideas in which they arose. Films about Chavez that skip over Venezuela's leftist traditions and each of its communist groups are overly simplistic.

I heard critiques of Chavez from the left and from the right when I was in Venezuela. The chief concerns about Chavez from the left were his lousy records on indigenous rights, the environment, and his treatment of the non-Chavista left including anarchist groups. Poor people also told me they were thankful for the opportunities afforded by Chavez. So, I spent a week there and came away learning a little, but would be sophomoric of me to act like I have important insights into Chavez.

I don't know how long Stone spent making this film, but as a documentary film maker who worked in Latin America (see somadocumentary.com), I would give this advice: spend about one month in a country for every ten minutes of your final film. If you drop into a country, interview the leader, some professors, and a few people on the street and call it a wrap, your film will reflect a lack of understanding, dedication, and insight.

Nick Cooper
nickcooper.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 09/08/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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Thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 09/08/2009
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gracias nick... finally someone in the balanced, objective middle, in the gray shades and nuances! aleluya...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 09/08/2009

"People forget that he cut the poverty rate by one half," Stone said. "People in Venezuela are getting an education, they are getting health care and welfare. He actually delivered on what he said he would."
I don't know what country Oliver Stone visited, this actually is not true there are more poor people, the health care system is getting worst every day, we have closed medias, more than 34 radio stations were closed and 29 radio more will be close soon. As for me I won't watch any movie/documentary made by this man ever in my life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 09/08/2009
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this is dedicated to all the oliver stone fans and jiugo shavezzz lovers out here in this forum who see them thru faraway eyes, at least... they see my country venezuela thru patronizing, myopic faraway eyes, from the stability of the much maligned US democratic institutions, a full refrigerator, running water, electricity 24/7 and all the comforts of the 1 st world: Check out: CHAVEZ Y LAS FARC http://ustre.am/:8M8G

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 09/08/2009
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Are the majority of Venezuelans better or worse off since Chavez?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 09/08/2009
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really worse... his approval rates have gone down to 38% from an all high of 60%. we had 88 murders in caracas alone, cadavers are piled up in the city morgue, the maternity doesn't even have Iv fluid, we have given away all the money to his comrades in zimbawbe, nicaragua, bolivia has new ambulances but we? insecurity, kidbnappings, no eggs or coffee and if you go out to buy the newspaper you don't know if you'll come back alive. russian roulette everyday. 39 radio stations closed, newspapers fines, 2 200 judicial procedings against opponentes 39 political prisoners with 30 year prison snetences for being in demostrations, and we have a president who arms the FARC i colombia. check it out. http://ustre.am/:8M8G

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 09/08/2009
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Dear Hugo: this is America. We only like dictators who are on the side of corporate wealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 09/08/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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I live in US,I'm a liberal and I don't like any kind of dictators.­..those who excuse Hugo Chavez just because is on the left are hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 09/08/2009
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Hugo is not a dictator by any definition one cares to apply. Corporate America dictates the food you drink, the oil you breathe and the bile regurgitated by fox. That is a dictatorship.

Hugo's challenging all that for the sake of his people and the earth and he needs our support if for no other reason but to insure his continued good health. Kaiser Permanente may have other plans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/08/2009
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You are not a liberal. Stop saying that. I've been reading your ridiculous comments, and you are just a backward conservative. You think you're liberal but you're not. Just because you say you're liberal, does not make you a liberal. Listen to yourself. You are a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 09/08/2009
- betty22 I'm a Fan of betty22 12 fans permalink

Capitalism made Oliver Stone rich. where is he helping the poor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 09/08/2009
- MaxPowerXP I'm a Fan of MaxPowerXP 7 fans permalink

Stone is such a softy for cretins like Chavez and Castro.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/08/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 258 fans permalink
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And Rupert Murdoch for cretins like Reagan and Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 09/08/2009
- MaxPowerXP I'm a Fan of MaxPowerXP 7 fans permalink

...which completely exonerates Stone and makes his stumping in favor of a tinpot dictator and his boy ward perfectly acceptable?

I notice this trend in most pro-Chavez replies. They completely ignore the issue at hand in favor of screaming "NO, YOU".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 09/08/2009
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...who are far more popular than any Capitalist in power (which are dwindling in numbers, by the way....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 09/08/2009
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Do they poll people who are in prison? Because that's where most people who don't like Castro eventually end up. Are you seriously lending credibility to (thus far imaginary) popularity polls in Cuba, where the state has a stranglehold on the media, and Venezuela, where the state doesn't have a total stranglehold yet but is well on its way?

...or are you yet another tool pretending your dictator is superior to other dictators?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 09/08/2009
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Here we go again. Hugo Chavez is our enemy, yet he helped supply folks in the states who were in need with affordable heating oil. As far as I know Chavez has not ordered any attacks on the U.S., nor is he responsible for the deaths of any Americans, but he is our enemy. I wonder why? Oh, there was an incident a few years back when a CIA-backed coup attempt against Chavez failed, but of course, he has no reason to hold a grudge against us because after all it was only politics. We could always pull a George Bush and attack Chavez. That will show him who's boss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 09/08/2009
- Chopin I'm a Fan of Chopin 65 fans permalink

You're right in asking the REAL hard questions that thoughtful people need to ask themselves:--

What is the REAL menace to liberty in USofA, and who is the REAL public enemy of the American people? --- A person on the receiving end of attempted coups and assassinations by SeeEyeAgency, or a person and government that ordered over 4,000 soldiers to kill for private gains and die for a lie ???
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 09/08/2009

Chavez hasn't commited a crime against the US. And in fact, he is entitled to feel however he pleases about the US. The problem here is that Chavez is committing many crimes against his own people and apologists all over the world insist he's doing a wonderful thing, while Venezuelans suffer daily the consequences of his oppressive regime

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/14/2009

I am offering a one way ticket to Venezuela to Oliver Stone. Why doesn't he move there? If he hates this country so much, he needs to go where he feels it is better for himself and his family. And he can take Michael Moore with him. They need to start a new Hollywood down there for himself and all his Hollywood friends who hate this country. We personally don't want them here anymore. We will boycott their films and watch them slide into oblivion. He is a malcontent from his neglected childhood to the rage within him that he spews onto his films. He has never filmed a love story since this emotion is not within him. How sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 09/08/2009
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You haven't said one single thing that's informative or worthwhile for Huffpost readers and commenters.

Your hogwash that he hates this country is distorted through your own ideological perception. He shows the stupidity and real tragedy of war that lingers long after wars are over. The thematic materials of Stone's recent movies are some of the most controversial, explosive, and to some very subversive because they challenge conventional prejudices, but to many very important, courageous and creative works of cinematic art.

"William Oliver Stone (born September 15, 1946) is an American film director and screenwriter. Stone came to prominence as a director with a series of films about the Vietnam War, in which he had participated as an American infantry soldier, and his work continues to focus frequently on contemporary political and cultural issues, often controversially. His work has earned him three Academy Awards. His first Oscar was for Best Adapted Screenplay for Midnight Express (1978). He won Academy Awards for Directing Platoon (1986) and Born on the Fourth of July (1989), both of which were centered on the Vietnam War."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone

Stone and Moore are two of the most important social and political commentators that heroically and brilliantly do the job the 4th estate (the mass media) should be doing but aren't. For that, wide segments of thoughtful Americans are truly thankful.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 09/08/2009
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Agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 09/08/2009
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What is more, he's true to his convictions, honest about his biases, fearless in digging for hidden truth, and capable of revealing in a powerful way the oppression and death that capitalism has inflicted throughout the third world. I am in awe of his work, and I am eager to see this latest effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 09/09/2009
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He has free speech. That means he can say something you hate but is still allowed to say it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/08/2009
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PWM that's the thing he has free speech and he can say it, if he came to venezuela and the movie was antichavez he couldn't show it, or say it or nada... 000.
FYI chavez has closed down 39 radio stations and 2 TV channels , planning on closing down 29 more this week , that will be a total of 40% of our radio waves a gift for his commie friends. so? what's good for the hispanic geese is not for the gringo gander?
i'd like to know how y'all would feel if obama closed down fox news and 40% of the con radio stations? hah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 09/08/2009

If you like communism, you like Chavez..it­'s just that simple. If you have paid attention to what it does, and you aren't from Canada, you realize it is no saint in the brutality category either. What gets me are the caviar commies from Hollywood making big bucks off it not realizing all they'll have left is the Nutcracker Suite. True it smooths out the ups and downs of economic cycles but it does this by removing the up part of it. For example this year Cuba may run short of toilet paper. Luckily it doesn't snow there comrades.

You don't like a Bush or an Obama well viva la difference we can get rid of them because here they can't anoint themselves for life the same as king. He plays his part well to his main crowd, the poor, the ones most cheaply bought while we do to the other because we know where he'll eventually take them. It's the evil USA who's done you like this..it's not our fault down here at all! Enjoy your tortillas this week and sometime lets go help some others enjoy this bliss.

But if we had tried to tell them exactly what to do..so we go with the lesser of evils where we're concerned.

Let's just be thankful we have geniuses like Oliver and Michael who have the world totally figured out and are making great money at the same time.

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