Cramdown Is Back: Banks Against Homeowners, Round 2

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First Posted: 09- 8-09 11:01 PM   |   Updated: 09- 9-09 07:43 AM

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Cramdown is back.

House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) tells the Huffington Post he plans to revive the effort to give bankruptcy judges the authority to renegotiate home mortgages -- by making it part of this fall's much-anticipated financial regulatory reform bill.

Wall Street banks scored an overwhelming victory in April when they soundly defeated a cramdown measure in the Senate. Only 45 Democrats voted with homeowners, dealing the measure the kind of defeat that often sends legislation off into the wilderness for years, if not for good.

Frank and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who led the bill in the upper chamber, both said after its defeat that it was finished. Frank was dismissive when, about a week after the vote, HuffPost asked if cramdown might come back. "Excuse me, what planet were you on last week? The vote was 45 to 51. Why would you ask that? Do I think there's a likelihood we could overturn 45-51? No," said Frank. "I wish it weren't the case."

But since then, foreclosures have continued unabated and the unemployment rate has continued to climb, increasing to 9.7 percent last month. Both forces feed on each other and create a drag on the economy.

The Obama administration had high hopes for the law Congress passed intended to encourage mortgage modifications. The law is all carrot, however, and no stick. Cramdown is the stick. If banks think they could get hit in bankruptcy court, they're more likely to bargain.

On Tuesday, Frank was asked by HuffPost if he had plans to readdress cramdown. "Yes, as I will announce tomorrow, and I told this to bankers, given the slow pace of modifications, for whatever reason: they're not putting enough people on it, they're not taking it seriously, there are legal obstacles. As of now my intention would be to include the bankruptcy on primary residences in the reg reform."

Frank said that he met in Boston recently with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.) and Tim Johnson (D-S.D.); the latter three are all on the Senate Banking Committee. They told him, he said, that they were ready to make a serious push at major financial regulatory reform before the year was out. Frank guessed the House would act by October.

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President Obama needs a win against the financial sector to blunt the populist anger rising about bailouts and bonuses. Frank thinks the must-pass reg reform could be the perfect vehicle to attach cramdown to.

He acknowledged that cramdown hadn't been able to pass on its own, but said that "it could be that the eagerness to get the bigger picture, gets that one done."

Regulatory reform could wind up being a major boon to consumers, with a chunk of credit card reform thrown in, too. Frank said that if credit card companies continue to jack up rates in advance of the effective date of the reform bill recently passed, "we could move that effective date up a few months in the reg reform bill." Other possibilities include a consumer financial protection agency and a provision that would mandate an audit of the Federal Reserve.

Frank said that as the foreclosure crisis has stretched on, Democrats who were skeptical of the need for cramdown authority have approached him to say that they now see the argument.

Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), a lead proponent of cramdown in the House, said he ran into Durbin about two months ago and thanked him for his efforts. Durbin, he said, was hopeful that he'd get another crack at it before too long. Miller said Durbin may now get that chance because he banks were given an opportunity to reform and they haven't lived up to their end of the deal.

"Barney's really angry that we've done all this stuff, that the industry helped draft, and they said, 'If you do it this way, and you hold your mouth, and you stand on just your left leg, if you do all that, we'll have lots of modifications.' And nothing - nothing - has happened," Miller said.

Cramdown is back. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) tells the Huffington Post he plans to revive the effort to give bankruptcy judges the authority to renegotiate ho...
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- joy316 I'm a Fan of joy316 2 fans permalink
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Can anyone explain why in the world anyone agreed to give the bankers one dime of taxpayer money? The gambled and LOST! That money should be confiscated and given to the homeowners who were swindled out of their homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 09/09/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 36 fans permalink
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I agree, bankers shoulda gone bankrupt, got rid of the lousy loans, then reformed into new companies & started over with new lending to get the economy going again.

If you think people have a right to stay in a home they cannot afford, YOU pay for them!

Homeowners are grownups, anyone who took out 100% financing barely able to make monthly payments, with a sub-prime mortgage that starts out way below current interest rates but goes up to the market rate after a year or so, knows EXACTLY what they're getting themselves into. They took a risk, and lost the bet. They can become renters for awhile, then buy a home when they can do it right, 20% down with a FIXED RATE LOAN FOR 30 YRS, at payments easily affordable when they buy. Sure there were abuses that need to be addressed; but I don't want my taxpayers bailing out high rollers who lost their bet. They can easily rent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 09/10/2009

you forget that some applying for loans got taken advantage of when false incomes were written in. when the banks should have told them 'No'... they falsified info and told employees they had the right to do in some cases. banks know the jargon and the loopholes and are mainly to blame in my opinion. but of course some homeowners were in over their head

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 10/08/2009


would be amazed if the banking lobby is unable to stop this effort

got to give Barney credit on this one for pursuing it though

Go Barney ~ get er done!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/09/2009
- bynddrvn5 I'm a Fan of bynddrvn5 10 fans permalink

Couldn't we just take back all of the massive bonuses Wall Street keeps giving themselves, for selling worthless bonds based on worthless loans?

The government should give all of the bonus money to the American people who have been screwed over by Wall Street, sure it would be pennies on the millions of dollars lost - but that is more than we are getting now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 09/09/2009
- vie2012ne I'm a Fan of vie2012ne 21 fans permalink

I hear Barney likes to be on the receiving end of a cramdown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/09/2009
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Stupid!

And why are you so interested in this anyway? Seems like you may be projecting your own desires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 09/09/2009
- ohjoe I'm a Fan of ohjoe 7 fans permalink

YES!
Without the cramdown, you and I can lose our only home in a bankruptcy because the banks aren't required to renegotiate the mortgage.

But the current bankruptcy laws say that those who are rich enough to own second or third homes can renegotiate the mortgages on them, no problem.

Not only should we have a cramdown on first mortgages, we shouldn't allow renegotiation of mortgages on 2nd+ homes. I mean, they're in bankruptcy because they don't have the money to continue their lifestyle as it is. That must mean they can't afford that second or third home. They should take the mortgage money they would pay in renegotiated loans on those extra houses and pay down their debts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/09/2009
- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 37 fans permalink
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The banks deserve the cramdown bill. The banks are destroying the Country and have been allowed to go unabated by our government. Where is the meaningful regulation?

Not only have the banks willfully refused to use the bailout money for the intended purpose of giving loan modification to those who qualify, the banks have also raised interest rates on their credit cards. The banks are like ticks sucking the middle class of every drop of blood money. So far our Government has taken no meaningful actions. On credit cards, we now get notice of the raise of interest so we get notice and can helplessly watch while the banks suck us dry.

The government should place a temporary restriction on the bank's abilities to raise credit card interest rates for 3-4 years (the average time most balances can be paid off). Instead, our government does nothing and our credit card rates are raised to sky high interest rates that foreclose them from ever being paid off.

I am leaving Wells fargo and using my credit union in protest of how the banks are treating the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 09/09/2009
- aramos I'm a Fan of aramos 9 fans permalink

Wasn't the orginal "cramdown" banks having to give loans to unqualified individuals becuase of pressure from ACORN and Barney Frank?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 09/09/2009
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 09/09/2009
- DrInsula I'm a Fan of DrInsula 7 fans permalink

Aramos,

Banks do NOT do business (making all the bad loans) due to "pressure," from progressive politicians, or community organizers. The BANKS made the loans because WEALTHY INVESTORS were BEATING DOWN THEIR DOORS to DEMAND high-risk, hi-yield financial instruments that could gain them obscence profits, as long as they got out of the casino in time. Please see some of the very good explanations from economists like Joseph Stiglitz, Dean Baker, Paul Krugman...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 09/18/2009

Considering the key role played by Franks in creating the subprime crisis, I would think he'd be the last person we want meddling in the issue again. The job should be left to someone who is competent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 09/09/2009
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The subprime crisis started in 1982 when Congress destroyed good regulation of high finance, and created legalized gambling in both banking and Wall Street

Barney Frank had little to do with it as 1982 was his first year in the House. And not until 2007 did Frank became the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 09/09/2009
- Jlong I'm a Fan of Jlong 15 fans permalink

The long walk down the slippery slope started with Reagan. Rampant deregulation in the interest of "free-markets" has been the MAIN cause of this entire mess. Reaganomics has been the conservative (mainly republicans but Blue dogs too) mantra for almost 30 years. That's what caused this mess - not Barney Frank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/09/2009

notice how theres no response. They know that straw argument is so weak and has no grounds to stand on, yet they spew it all the time to deflect their loyalty to Bushs failures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 09/09/2009
- lj9283 I'm a Fan of lj9283 67 fans permalink
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The sub prime crisis was accelerated when the Bush Administration decided that they wanted to create prosperity based on Financial smoke and mirrors in 2004 when they revised SEC Rules so that brokers were no longer constrained by any gross leverage limit. Instead, they could evaluate their assets according to their own internal models.

The broker dealers – Bear Sterns, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Lehman Brothers

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/02/the_sec_killed_wall_street_on.html

And Fannie/Freddie in 2004-2005 were on solid financial footing while the Broker dealers created the highly leveraged sub prime market (Internal Fannie Mea Presentation):

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20081209103003.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 09/09/2009
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The fundamental principle of democracy, socialism and communism is, “A government derives its just powers by consent of the governed.” For the politicians who control government, and the laws and constitution that establish a government, in a just society they are in submission to the people and may be changed at will by the people.

But not so in a capitalist form of government such as that in Honduras. For in 1982 their rich nobility created a make believe constitution that made politicians more powerful then the people, as it decreed that only politicians could change the constitution. And in so doing made politicians eternal gods over an eternal constitution.

For neither democracy, socialism nor communism can live in peace and harmony with capitalism. For the fundamental principle of capitalism is, “Those with more wealth and power may enrich themselves upon the misery of anyone they can out compete, undercut, or drive out of business.”

For in 1821 a group of rich nobility in Honduras formed a military and declared independence from Spanish rule. Comes now two hundred years later and the blood decedents of the Honduras founding fathers to be among the 5% rich nobility that owns 90% of the land and wealth in this rich man’s dictatorship known as Honduras.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/09/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 121 fans permalink

Go, Barney! Keep fighting the good fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 09/09/2009
- britethere I'm a Fan of britethere 15 fans permalink

Lunch break news flash.... yet another scandal:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1224631.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 09/09/2009
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Eleven accused of signing up to many voters. But surely the problem is quite the reverse.

For only half of those over 18 voted last November, and that means Obama received 52% of half the voters and he was put into office by only 26% of the people. In Wisconsin you can register on the day you vote, surely thats the only way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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Most of the people ACORN signed up probably knew very little about what they were even voting for. Some ACORN guy signs them up and tells them to vote for Obama cause he's the only one who cares about the little guy, etc, etc...........how is that doing anybody any good? I don't see where the value comes from in signing up completely politically uneducated voters.

Oh wait, I see.......­......it's okay when they are voting for you're guy. That's completely justifiable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 09/09/2009
- vandegrasse I'm a Fan of vandegrasse 194 fans permalink
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I personally believe people ought to be required to show up at the polls by law. They wouldn't have to vote once they are there, but they would have to show up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/09/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 121 fans permalink

Can you read? Can you read more than a headline? What scandal? This is very old news, the most prominent feature of which is that ACORN itself identified and reported to authorities people who had attempted to defraud ACORN. Get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 09/09/2009
- thaneb I'm a Fan of thaneb 11 fans permalink
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Miami-Dade State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle praised ACORN.
Not really a flash--old news. But thanks for letting us know that state legal authorities are praising ACORN for its help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 09/09/2009
- ohjoe I'm a Fan of ohjoe 7 fans permalink

This is old news.

These folks were just out for the easy money at $8-$10 hr. Probably took them only an hour or so at home to doctor the apps up. Turn in a timecard for 20 hours = an easy $160-$200. They could care less who anyone voted for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/09/2009
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Capitalist government guarding democracy -- Fox guarding the hen house.

Bless our darling intelligent middleclass, how they do love the challenge of the freedom to compete for excessive wealth, and at the same time the freedom to have equality. Equality being equal home ownership, equal healthcare for all and equal freedom from poverty for all.

Problem is, we slow and careful thinking laboring men see things getting a bit out of hand. For capitalist government has 2.3 million of our laboring brothers in prison, about 30% of laboring men are unemployed, most of the homes being foreclosed on belong to laboring men, 90% of us with small kids are divorced, and if you have a free day or two we could get into all the details.

Now actually the only difference between capitalism and democracy is regulation. For capitalism is the right to have no regulation or control, and democracy is the freedom to be protected by good regulation, and with the standard of equality being in absolute control.

For we all are selfish, and to think the super intelligent rich need no oversight or control, we slow and careful thinkers don't quiet see it that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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A home is an investment­..........­.....givin­g out a loan to a borrower is an INVESTMENT­.........i­nvestment involves risk.

They should have let the banks fail, and they should let the borrowers eat their own losses. It's like whole generations of children have grown up avoiding responsibility at every turn. Borrowers, lenders, and politicians all point the fingers at each other when they are all utterly and completely guilty of bad decisions. Watching most people struggle to avoid responsibility (bankers, politicians, homeowners) is the large scale equivalent to a bunch of m@ggots squirming around in a pile of dung.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 09/09/2009
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But to talk all about internal corruption, but what about the external system?

For we all are selfish, and that is why we need a democracy to make us pay for the harm we do to others. For our capitalist government enhances ability to compete for wealth, allows us to keep excessive wealth, and to enrich our self upon the misery of others is the height of all glory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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It's not perfect, but socialism or communism is a much worse alternative. Throughout recent history, that has been proven over and over again. You can look at the millions of corpses that fueled the Soviet machine, the blatant corruption that is so pervasive in countries like Venezuela, or the poverty of Cuba. It's nice to think that we can live in a society that provides for all, but human nature dictates that many would use that system to serve their own idleness or their own self interests at the expense of everyone else.

Humans are so very far from every being able to live under the type of system that you idealize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/09/2009
- sabredance I'm a Fan of sabredance 20 fans permalink

Just love those false equivalencies:

Demented old lady changed her 30 year fixed mortgage to option ARM = AIG execs selling worthless un-collateralized CDSs to IBs.

Yup. Exactly the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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Oh nice........Let's play the typical liberal game and take the most egregious case you can find and apply it to millions of others who were nowhere near as feeble.

I mean really? You're going to cite the case of a demented woman to prove your point? As if she couldn't fall victim to pretty much any kind of trickery at anytime anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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Go ahead and take one of the most egregious situations and apply it to millions of homeowners. Wow............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 09/09/2009
- leevntheus I'm a Fan of leevntheus 45 fans permalink
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"people buying what they couldn't afford ,so screw them...", I'm gonna puke. What about small business people that paid on their homes for 10 years or more just fine, and now this economic downturn puts them in a position of living on 60% less cash flow?

The banks refuse to take a modified position to lower my payment from $2200/mo to $1700/mo after promising over and over for a year they want to work something out. They just told my family of six NO again, claiming we make too much money.The crime is the inflated values their system created to establish false appraisals for bigger loans. Then they pull the rip cord and take all our money, equity, AND the home.

Hey Obama...I voted for you to help me solve this mess. Thanks for the backhand A hole.

Heads you win, tails I lose.

20 years of hard work and determination all sucked up into the FED scam of the ages.

People cannot fathom how much resentment and anger is seething from otherwise normal constituents.

When this health care scam goes through and everyone realizes its a REQUIREMENT that we add $12K + to our yearly budget for insurance CEO's and that if we DON'T, we get FINED up to $3800 dollars PER FAMILY without an affordable public run OPTION for those of us that do NOT have that kind of dough just LAYING AROUND, the ROOF IS GOING TO BLOW OFF AMERICA......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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Buying a home involves risk pal. We all take it, and I'm not willing to pay tax dollars to bail you out. You and half the other homeowners will probably be underwater on their mortgages before this is all over. A lot of good, hard-working people got caught up in this, but it's not the responsibility of other good, hard-working people to subsidize banks in order for them to give you a loan mod. If they approve a cram-down, you better believe those banks are going to wrestle some serious taxpayer dollars out fo the government.

where's the benefit for a guy like me who waited to buy a house even though he really needed one? Where's my hand out? Somebody should force a bank to give me a 2% loan for being prudent and waiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 09/09/2009
- sabredance I'm a Fan of sabredance 20 fans permalink

So what did you do to

a) call attention to the impending housing meltdown and the house of cards that would precipitate this economic collapse, and

b) prevent the deregulation, hands-off enforcement, and perverse incentives that made it possible?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 09/09/2009
- viper234 I'm a Fan of viper234 25 fans permalink

Wolves50 is the typical sardonic American armchair pundit who figures everyone who bought a home, loses a job deserves to lose their home because that's just the way it is. Well the dollar is tanking Wolves50 and gold is soaring and inflation is rising and increasing interest rates are not far away. So when your devalued dollar has to buy a container of milk for $20.00 bucks, or a can of soup for $8.00, I hope you realize that the dollar involves risk too, pal and right now the government is betting that flooding the world with currency is going to help the nation's economy, but rest assured they know the truth, because these are the very same people who are sending the price of gold above $1,000 an ounce. They are preparing for inflation and are going to sit back and watch you and others like you struggle to keep your heads above water in the months ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 09/09/2009
- Wolves50 I'm a Fan of Wolves50 27 fans permalink
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Oh, I'm pretty sure I saw the value in gold at least a year ago buddy. That possible future outcome you mention has been on my mind quite a bit. I'm not quite sure what your point is though. Not wanting the government to spend trillions goes hand in hand with zero bailouts of any kind to companies and only limited help to individuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 09/09/2009
- Boxjob I'm a Fan of Boxjob 2 fans permalink

"Barney's really angry that we've done all this stuff, that the industry helped draft, and they said, 'If you do it this way, and you hold your mouth, and you stand on just your left leg, if you do all that, we'll have lots of modifications.' And nothing - nothing - has happened," Miller said"

What I still want explained to me is what kind of idiot trsusts a banker to the point of giving him the money first and then determining what you get later? The banker and their culture are the problem not part of the solution. All they are interested in are their bonuses even if they need tax dollars to pay them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/09/2009
- sabredance I'm a Fan of sabredance 20 fans permalink

I think the motivation isn't so much trust, as lending enough rope...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 09/09/2009
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