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Afghan War Debate Fails To Include U.S. Troop Timetable

ROBERT BURNS   09/ 9/09 05:23 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — As President Barack Obama weighs thrusting America deeper into the conflict in Afghanistan with perhaps thousands more combat troops, his administration has yet to answer a question at the core of his strategy for turning around the deteriorating war: How long will it last?

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other top Pentagon officials have said they need to show clear progress against the insurgents within 12 to 18 months to firm up public confidence in the war effort. But they are not venturing firm estimates of how long it will take to achieve their central goal of defeating al-Qaida and the Taliban in both Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan.

The reason for their fuzzy outlook is simple: This is not a conventional conflict, where one side can plant a flag and declare victory. It's not even a strictly military problem.

Instead, the U.S. is undertaking a complex counterinsurgency campaign that may never have a defined ending. The U.S.-led effort to stabilize Afghanistan confronts a vexing South Asian brew of political, economic, social and security problems that some experts believe will take decades to sort out.

If, as expected, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, tells Obama in coming weeks that he needs more troops the president will have to consider not just the cost in blood and treasure but also the wisdom – and political viability – of escalating a stalemated conflict with no end in sight.

Many in Congress are growing more skeptical, following years of approving ever-growing war chests for Iraq.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, when the spotlight was mainly on Iraq, the open-ended nature of the battle for Afghanistan caused relatively little public angst in the U.S. But now, with the U.S. commitment expanding, casualties rising and Afghan security deteriorating, public opinion is souring.

The war is nearly eight years old and by some estimates the tide is turning against U.S. and allied forces. A revitalized Taliban resistance has gained ground in some parts of Afghanistan, and prospects for political stability may have been dealt a serious blow late last month by a fraud-tainted Afghan presidential election.

The American public is showing signs of war exhaustion, after electing a president who promised he would end the Iraq war and then, shortly after taking office, approved requests to dispatch another 21,000 troops to Afghanistan. Opinion polls show declining support for the war in Afghanistan and growing doubt that it can be won, even as the U.S. combat death toll hit a wartime monthly high in August.

A CNN poll conducted in the final four days of August said 42 percent supported the war and 57 opposed it. That compared to 53 percent supporting and 46 percent opposing in early April, days after Obama announced a new war strategy and vowed to provide resources to the war effort in ways his predecessor did not.

Some have cited the turnaround in Iraqi security, following the "surge" of troops in 2007-08, as evidence that putting more U.S. troops on the ground in Afghanistan could produce similarly positive results.

Ryan Crocker, who was sent to Kabul to reopen the U.S. Embassy after the fall of the Taliban and was ambassador to Baghdad during the troop surge in Iraq, cautioned in a Newsweek essay last week that the Obama administration needs to be careful what lessons it draws from the Iraq experience.

"Relentless internal conflict is not endemic in Iraq. In Afghanistan it is," Crocker wrote.

Afghan patience with the U.S. also seems to be wearing thin. Ashraf Haidari, political counselor at the Afghan Embassy in Washington, wrote in a letter to the editor of The Washington Post on Monday that the United States and its partners "have yet to commit seriously" to Afghanistan's future.

That's a theme that Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has stressed recently. He wrote, for example, in the current issue of Joint Forces Quarterly, published by National Defense University, that he is often asked by Afghans and Pakistanis if the U.S. will stick with them.

"I tell them that we will," Mullen wrote.

Mullen didn't mention any timetable, but his remark about a long-term commitment amazed Bing West, a retired Marine and author who has traveled widely with American troops in Afghanistan this year.

"If that's what he means then we're going to have American soldiers, the way we're going, in Afghanistan for another 10 or 20 years," West said in a telephone interview.

In West's view, Mullen and other senior U.S. leaders have not offered a realistic assessment of what it will take to succeed in Afghanistan.

Bush was assailed by congressional Democrats for not providing a firm timetable for leaving Iraq. So far lawmakers from Obama's own party are not putting up the same resistance to an open-ended Afghan conflict, but in recent days foreign policy leaders like Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., have gone public with new doubts.

When Gates was asked recently how long he thought American combat forces would be fighting in Afghanistan he said the answer was unknowable – "too many variables to predict." Pressed further, he conceded that America's nonmilitary role in Afghanistan "probably is a decades-long enterprise."

"We want to give them the capacity to protect their own security as well as the security of other nations around the world from threats emanating from Afghanistan," Gates explained in an interview with the al-Jazeera television network. "And then we'll be gone."

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EDITOR'S NOTE – Robert Burns has covered national security and military affairs for The Associated Press since 1990.

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10:12 PM on 09/10/2009
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09:24 AM on 09/10/2009
Time ? Why do they think wars go on a time schedule?
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AlwaysRightLeftist
I'm normally against the death penalty, but [...]
07:30 AM on 09/10/2009
Here's a timetable: Tomorrow.
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terramartom
People for the people. Revolution.
12:00 AM on 09/10/2009
Bring all of our Troops home now!
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11:31 PM on 09/09/2009
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10:34 PM on 09/09/2009
Get us out now. Congress can pull the funding any day.
10:32 PM on 09/09/2009
Surprise surprise! Poppy crop must be doing better than expected?
09:26 PM on 09/09/2009
Obama demands the Health Care reform bill be revenue neutral. The hyprocisy when it comes to funding war that the public does not want. The bill authorizing billions for the Afghan war should be revenue also.
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10:35 PM on 09/09/2009
End the wars and close the bases in Germany, Japan, South Korea.................and we will have more than enough funds for health care.
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PitBull6
12:19 AM on 09/10/2009
And conversely, squashing a health care system with a new budget as well as entitlement programs will provide more than enough for the military.
11:45 PM on 09/09/2009
Sounding more and more like Iraq,only worse.
09:15 PM on 09/09/2009
This debate is simply expounding upon one question: should the U.S. clean up the mess at its own peril? Surely staying in the Middle East will continue to drain our economy, plunging us into further financial problems. But is it morally correct to simply leave? Most would agree that it is absolutely not. But what is more important our country and well-being or their country and well being. So, in a way, America is by staying in the middle east until it is at least partially stabilized (which seems impossible because that region has been at religious war since 700 C.E. and it is impossible to kill ideas such as all religion) committing an act of selflessness, despite the fact that we (our government) caused the problem in the first place. I was taught in my early childhood that if you make a mess, you clean it up. Therefore I proudly, yet sadly believe that we must stick it out until the middle east, at the very minimum, restored to the state in which it was before foreign intervention.
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10:35 PM on 09/09/2009
Give it all to Russia and promise we will not fund the insurgents nor train the Taliban against them.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
02:37 AM on 09/10/2009
I have talked this over many times with friends who are military, and they say we've torn the Middle East up so bad it can never be restored. Millions displaced, historical places defiled, blown up the entire place.... We should apologize profusely and get out. Maybe put some money into the people here who are homeless and starving.
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PitBull6
11:30 AM on 09/10/2009
Are you familiar with the history of the Middle East before 9/11? It was not a peace loving, calm place.

The Palestinians have been in a continuous state of war since they attacked Israel at its foundation and then caused unrest in Jordan and Lebanon. Egypt and Syria, when not at odds with other Arab states, nationalized the Suez and then attacked (or prepared to attack) Israel twice in 6 years. Iraq went to war with it's neighbors twice and attacked the Kurds with chemical weapons. Lebanon degenerated into a state of civil war and now is partially run by a terrorist organization.

Apologize? It is more likely they will thank us one day for lifting them out oligarchies and tribal thinking of the middle ages so they could have their own enlightenment.

If you do indeed have military friends, I cannot imagine them suggesting that we have "blown up the entire place."...Whatever that means...
08:07 PM on 09/09/2009
i think the u.s. owes it to the afghan people to at least stabilize some of afghan. i do not think we would ever be able to stabilize all of afghan, but i do think we could stabilize a good part of afghan and create a buffer between the two parts and control the buffer with u.n. troops. there are many afghan people who are trying to support the u.s. and its partners goals and it would be a crime to leave them to their own demise. so i think the solution in afghan will be a north and south afghan and the western nations are going to have to do without the oil pipeline
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marignymitch
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08:51 PM on 09/09/2009
USA owes it to the American people first and foremost, financially and morally to come home and stick to vital unfinished business here.
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10:36 PM on 09/09/2009
Yes. Be vocal in your opposition to the wars.
08:58 PM on 09/09/2009
We freed the Afghan people from a tyrannical reign. It is time for them to step up, and us to come home. Same goes for S Korea.
10:24 PM on 09/09/2009
Don't pat yourself on the back for freeing the Afghanis from a tyrannical reign. If they wanted, the Afghanis could have done that themselves. They did not ask us to be their 'saviours'.
Even still, we have not gotten rid of the tyrannical regime of Islamic Extremists, it is still there. We have inserted our own form of tyranny. All the Afghanis see is that know their oppressors have a white face and a flag that looks curiously similar to the British East India Company flag.
America has a reputation for thinking it 'saved' people but instead leaving making a huge mess out small countries. Iraq, Columbia, Afghanistan to name only a few.
08:05 PM on 09/09/2009
War is too profitable to end.
09:32 PM on 09/09/2009
CSPAN had a panel discussing how we need to be very aggressive in Afghanistan. They were obviously trying to drum up support for the coming troop increase. However when they took answers from the audience, their PR effort turned into a disaster. They ended up admiting the election has gone bad. Also they explained if the elections are seen as fraudulant then the foreign troops will be seen as occupiers. They admited we would certainly fail if the foreign troops are seen as occupiers. Several days later CSPAN re-aired to same program but this time the disasterous questions and answers were seamlessly deleted from the other questions and answers.


I was surprised to see CSPAN re-enact a page out of the book "Animal Farm"
07:54 PM on 09/09/2009
When in the history of modern conflict, has a timetable been at all accurate? We could tell the Taliban to give us bin Laden and al Zawahiri and we're gone. We'd really be screwing a lot of Afghanis we swore to help though.
09:36 PM on 09/09/2009
However we swore not to fry those 70 civilians siphoning free gas out of the gas trucks. Seems the war mongers do a lot of swearing
12:00 AM on 09/10/2009
The Tliban already offered Osama but W refused the offer so that he could start his war.Obama
has adopted the Bush policy and I have often wondered if a non ending war continues so that
whoever is president during a war,their power increases.I voted for BO but he has shown that
he has no intention of giving up any power,and has signed in as a leader of an unending war
07:40 PM on 09/09/2009
The American people are showing signs of war exhaustion??!!! What about the folks in Iraq and Afghanistan?? Try this link to Project Censored, reporting the news that never makes the air waves.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/
"Project Censored is one of the organizations that we should listen to, to be assured that our newspapers and our broadcast outlets are practicing thorough and ethical journalism." —
Walter Cronkite
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10:37 PM on 09/09/2009
We need to make the wars more in the headlines to get out. The masses forget we have two major wars killing Americans and siphoning the treasury.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
07:09 PM on 09/09/2009
We are in Afghanistan permanently (or until the Chinese refuse to finance our ongoing misadventures). Same goes for Iraq. Hence the silence on timtables.
09:37 PM on 09/09/2009
BINGO
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
02:43 AM on 09/10/2009
I'm just waiting for the day our military finally lose it and something pretty awful is bound to happen..... You can't keep pushing them with something as horrible, stressful, and mind-blowing as war without something giving...
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07:05 PM on 09/09/2009
Is setting a timetable the most important step at this point? I don't think that there is even a cohesive strategy in Afghanistan at this point. Are we nation building, or are we working to disrupt al-Qaida? Shouldn't we be asking ourselves if we can reconcile with the Taliban at this point, and then work with the Pakistani government to deny AQ safehaven in the FATA? I am not sure enforcing a pseudo-democracy on a nation that sees it as counter to Islamic virtues is necessarily the most productive method.

So - until we actually decide what we want and are commited to doing, I don't think the time table is necessarily the greatest problem.