Robocalls Banned By Government? Not So Much

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Huffington Post Investigative Fund   |  Ben Protess
First Posted: 09-10-09 06:03 PM   |   Updated: 09-10-09 06:23 PM

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Robocalls

It's dinnertime, the phone rings and it might be someone important. Instead, you hear a recorded voice: "Congratulations! You've been pre-approved for a new mortgage!"

The good news is that after years of complaints from consumers, the Federal Trade Commission has now banned telemarketing pitches known as robocalls unless consumers pre-approve of them in writing. The bad news: You might still be badgered by mortgage lenders and some other telemarketers.

Although the FTC put its ban into effect on Sept. 1, the commission has limited jurisdiction. While non-bank lenders, auto warranty companies, sweepstakes businesses and other telemarketers now face up to $16,000 in fines for each illegal robocall, plenty of other types of companies are exempt.

Among the unaffected mortgage lenders are banks and other financial institutions. The ban also does not apply to insurance companies, telephone carriers, politicians, most charitable organizations and purely informational calls such as notice of a flight cancellation. Debt collectors, so long as they contact consumers about actual bills without making a sales pitch, also do not face the restrictions.

The mortgage lenders that are immune from the rule also are the ones most responsible for offering and servicing home loans. Last year, the five largest mortgage lenders were banks or savings and loan companies.

Under the law, the FTC cannot regulate advertising by certain financial institutions, including banks, savings and loans and federal credit unions. The Federal Communications Commission, which also has jurisdiction over deceptive telemarketing, has no such restraints but has not yet banned robocalls altogether.

Some consumer advocates worry that the exempt lenders might bombard borrowers with misleading phone advertisements, especially now that beleaguered homeowners are looking to refinance or modify their mortgages.

Having banks exempt from the rule is "a big gap and it's one of the problems of the limited jurisdiction that the FTC has," said Susan Grant, director of consumer protection for the Consumer Federation of America. "For consumers, there's no distinction" between banks and independent lenders, she said. "It's the same annoying problem."

A spokeswoman for the Better Business Bureau said that most of the robocall complaints it receives concern offers to modify credit card payments and home loans.

Even in the few places where robocalls have been illegal under state law, consumers can't escape them. Although North Carolina largely outlawed robocalls in the mid-1980s, the state attorney general's office received 629 consumer complaints about the calls so far this year.

The FTC first proposed its robocall regulation in 2006, which also happened to be the height of the housing bubble. The year before, the commission had received more than 13,000 e-mails and letters from consumers opposing an earlier plan to loosen the existing, weaker restrictions on telemarketing.

 "We were all getting these calls," FTC staff attorney Craig Tregillus said in an interview. "People were mad as hell." Tregillus said the FTC didn't create its rule specifically to combat mortgage lending calls.

Yet lending groups were among those who pushed the FTC to adopt looser restrictions, records show. 

In a joint comment to the agency, several professional groups whose members use robocalls, including the Mortgage Bankers Association, pushed the FTC to allow prerecorded messages so long as a consumer previously did business with the company. Prerecorded messages, the groups argued, actually enable businesses to "provide a higher level of service to their customers."

If the calls were allowed, businesses would have the "option of using a cost-effective, proven technology to improve their services to customers," according to the comment, which was filed by a telemarketing industry lobbyist.

Other groups that signed the comment included the United States Chamber of Commerce, the Newspaper Association of America and the Consumer Bankers Association.

After the FTC finalized stricter regulations than these groups had hoped for, one mortgage industry blog, Lenderama, warned its readers of the implications.

"The pendulum is swinging towards the consumer - requiring them to actively engage you for services," said a Lenderama blog post in May. "Do yourself a favor," it added, "stay in the FTC 'good guys' group.

The post recommended alternative "marketing strategies that attract and engage consumers," including traditional direct mail marketing, Internet solicitations and social media.

The FTC's new rule does not cover these communications.

Still, the FTC is paying special attention to the mortgage industry. In addition to suing several lenders that falsely claimed to offer government-sponsored mortgage modifications, the commission is considering another rule that would restrict advance fees for loan modifications.

"Scammers are taking advantage of people in a difficult situation - people who are trying to modify their home mortgages or those who are trying to avoid foreclosure," FTC Chairman Jon Leibowitz said at a press conference in April. "We're enforcing the law against these scam artists; we're putting others on notice that unless they change their ways, they're next."

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If you receive a robocall, and you haven't given written permission for the company to contact you, the FTC recommends you file a complaint, either on the donotcall.gov site or at 888-382-1222.



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What about the congress-critters? Their robo-calls are just as annoying
and disruptive, yet they just keep robo-caling.

I'm "mad as hell" and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 09/25/2009
- jimmyboy7 I'm a Fan of jimmyboy7 2 fans permalink

how about investigating the prostitution encouragers at ACORN?
or is it too close to home?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 09/11/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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You mean the ones that were entrapped by a group posing to need help from ACORN, who then falsely said that they were trying to set up child prostitution????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/11/2009

Do you seriously expect government to protect citizens from Business?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 09/11/2009
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You wish to live better, contribute to the general well being of a planet
and stii know all there is to know without talking robots, talking heads and talking
anything loud and unplasant to you and your family Here goes :
1- Get rig of your usage of TV, you still have a TV, but you turn it on the way you
turn on your microwave oven, only when you need it , That is for watching uncut
uninterrupted movie, documentary on DVDs, get your news by reading it on the
internet, no yelling, no talking heads, no comercials and you may even respond
2- Turn off that cell phone, I mean off, turn it on when you need it, whom ever called
will be listed and or left a message that will alert you through beeps to check them
this will leave you time to breath and exhale, speak to your loved one and walk
the dog and ride that car accident free .
Notice the theme here is " when needed ", most of us were driven to the ground by
aggressive ways due to competition between companies to sell whatever they're selling
including politicians, evrything is for sale and loud, .
Who the heck wants to lissen to glen Beck? who's he?what did he do for you? NADA .
Your kids, spouse, pets, friends are hungry for quality time, Glen man will take your money
and turn off his phone so he can have quality time......­...See my

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/11/2009
- Shaun Dakin I'm a Fan of Shaun Dakin 184 fans permalink
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It is too bad that politicians continue to exempt themselves from Do Not Call law.

StopPoliticalCalls.org is fighting for the privacy of the American voter.

1 - Creating a Political Do Not Call Registry
2 - Testifying in the US Senate about robo calls (Sen. Feinstein’s Robocall Privacy Act)
3 - Forcing states to enforce existing robo call laws (CA, MN, NJ, etc..)
4 - Getting politicians to take a do not robo call pledge (7 have)

Here is a quote from a member recently:

"I'm a shift worker, working variable shifts. I depend on my sleep to be able to do my job safely and efficiently. I'm a locomotive engineer. Imagine the disaster were I to fall asleep, operating a freight train carrying hazardous materials in your neighborhood, due to fatigue from being awoken in my middle of the night on a continuous basis during election season. Please stop.."

Learn more.

Shaun Dakin
CEO
http://www.stoppoliticalcalls.org
A non-profit fighting for the privacy of the American voter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 09/11/2009

A few simple steps that would remedy the problem of being awakened by the phone:

1. Turn off/down the ringer volume.
2. Unplug the land line.
3. Turn off the cell phone.
4. Sleep in a room without a phone in it and shut the door.

Works for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 09/11/2009
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Ditch your land line. That is unless you have secrets to keep from the government and police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 09/11/2009
- PaiaGirl I'm a Fan of PaiaGirl 116 fans permalink
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But as we discovered, the NSA is monitoring land lines too.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/307/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 09/11/2009

Everything about my life, as far as I'm concerned, should be secret from the government and the police. What right do they have to know my business?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/11/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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I used to be a telemarketer, and the experience changed my opinion of the profession as a whole. I no longer mind getting telemarketing calls.

Robocalls, however, should send the caller into the deepest pit of hell!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/11/2009
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For what it's worth, I make every effort to treat a telemarketer like a human being, which makes it all the more insulting when they hang up on me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 09/11/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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Yeah, when I tell them that I'm not interested, and they hang up before I can say to take me off the list..... I call them back and insist on talking to the floor manager, and then the building manager, and eventually the actual manager...­.. If it's not solved by then, then I file a complaint against the actual company that they work for. I've probably gotten the government a good $50,000 by now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 09/11/2009
- TazoWolf I'm a Fan of TazoWolf 29 fans permalink
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I got an illegal robocall 2 days ago... filed a complaint. Annoying..­. not only was it on my cell phone during the day, but I was trying to teach a class at the time. "We URGENTLY need you to contact us about your Visa, Mastercard, American Express, or Discover account...­."

Caller ID: no name given
Looked the number up online... hundreds of others are complaining too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 09/11/2009
- roudy I'm a Fan of roudy 30 fans permalink

Why in heavens name would you have your cell phone on "while teaching class"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 09/11/2009
- TazoWolf I'm a Fan of TazoWolf 29 fans permalink
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Special ed. I have to keep it on in case of emergencies, and I ONLY use that phone for work use... not for home or anything else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 09/12/2009
- trebor0927 I'm a Fan of trebor0927 13 fans permalink

Great, the Government can't do a simple program. I'm sure they will be able to run a $900 billion program with no problems at all. I have total faith that they won't screw it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 09/11/2009
- tarryd I'm a Fan of tarryd 7 fans permalink
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Wrong. This is a success! I got 15 to 20 robo calls a day before Sept 1. It was driving me crazy. On Sept 2 they stopped and have not resumed except for one or two from my bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 09/11/2009
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If not the government, then who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 09/11/2009

Give the angry mob (birthers & tea baggers) a chance. Based on their silly hats & signs, I'm sure they can chart a course to recovery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 09/11/2009
- Antiks I'm a Fan of Antiks 19 fans permalink
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Come on now, if government can orchestrate the 9/11 attacks, then they're not that screwed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 09/11/2009
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 91 fans permalink
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They did an excellent job faking the moon landing, too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 09/11/2009

Have to agree that this program works. I registered several numbers on the don't call list and the telemarketing and robocalls have dropped off dramatically. Every once in a while when I get an unsolicited call, I tell the caller that the number is on the don't call list and they hang up immediately. Just my experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/11/2009
- Tenley I'm a Fan of Tenley 15 fans permalink

You do realize this headline is Glenn Beck speak (the "not so much" part) that has caught on in pop speak after his repeated use of it, and that it follows a story on ... Glenn Beck? Sometimes I'm just not sure who the HP is supporting and what messages it's trying to send and how much of anything is taken in context or extends in a broader context beyond one-shot articles..­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 09/11/2009
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Jon Stewart says "not so much" frequently too, and has so for years. I don't think it's a Glenn Beck thing. If anything he probably copped it from his liberal superior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 09/11/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 111 fans permalink
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I picked it up from my father, and have used it most of my life. I've used it more lately, but that's more related to Jon Stewart than Glenn Beck, considering that I never knew he used it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 09/11/2009
- wilray I'm a Fan of wilray 72 fans permalink
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I have a VoIP line for my landline which number I don't give out and is not listed anywhere. I also have a Google Voice number which I do give out. Google Voice has been a godsend in stopping telemarketers dead in their tracks. My telemarketing calls are few and far between.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 09/11/2009

This should be Illegal - Period. But of course it is not because it benefits Business - who cares about the people anymore. America is not about 'The People' It's about Corporations!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 09/11/2009
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It is annoying, but it shouldn't be illegal. That restricts one's freedom in the market place. They should just enforce the DO-NOT-CALL list. The problem is no one does. They are just creating more meaningless laws that are more and more restrictive of our freedom.

This law should be unconstitutional!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 09/11/2009
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By the way, I am a mortgage loan officer and I do not use a robo-dialer. I don't like them... they a marketing tool I have to compete with.

By the way, anybody need a home loan- Conventional or FHA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 09/11/2009
- rbryanh I'm a Fan of rbryanh 115 fans permalink

You've confused the rights of a bank or other conglomerate with the rights of an individual. Organizations _should_ be restricted in the marketplace. Your right to pursue profit ends where my privacy begins.

Unsolicited corporate communications are nothing more than harassment masquerading as commerce. Get your robots (computerized and human) off my phone. Get your pounds of daily landfill out of my mailbox. And cease filling my inbox with energy sucking, time wasting spam.

I don't want to talk to you, I don't want to read your crap, and if I want anything you sell, I'll find the best source for it based on criteria that deliberately exclude advertising.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 AM on 09/11/2009
- roald I'm a Fan of roald 16 fans permalink

Well said, though I fear the right people are not listening and too many people will not follow your example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 09/11/2009
- Skepticat I'm a Fan of Skepticat 61 fans permalink
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Wrong. When I am home - I'm exercising MY CHOICE to NOT participate in the "marketplace" at that time. I can choose to go to a store, phone a business, or if I wanted to even engage in e-commerce any time that is convenient to me - That's my freedom. The "marketplace" can offer the products or services they like, when and where they like - but do not have the right to invade my privacy with unsolicitated phone calls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 09/11/2009
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Ding ding ding ding!

You got it right! You win!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 09/25/2009
- jbrantow I'm a Fan of jbrantow 39 fans permalink

Sorry but marketers forcing their way into my personal space, my home or my phone should be illegal. I can turn off a tv or radio, but if they want to invade my phone or door they should be forced to reveal their personal home phone and address. There should be limits to marketing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 09/11/2009
- PaiaGirl I'm a Fan of PaiaGirl 116 fans permalink
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You mean it restricts CORPORATIONS freedom to further make our lives miserable.

Unlike the latest supreme court decision, I do not believe that corporations have the rights of people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 09/11/2009

I got a Robo-Call from Bob Bennett. tonight. What a tool. He's about 100 yrs old and is trying to fleece Utah of it's natural beauty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 09/11/2009
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I swear the phone maker that make a phone with a red button to automatically block call from a number is going to make a killing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 09/10/2009
- jbrantow I'm a Fan of jbrantow 39 fans permalink

years ago a friend of mine had an answering machine that automatically blocked any incomming calls using "caller ID block"....­.it was great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 09/11/2009
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If I had to design a modern land line phone right now I would make it Wi-Fi capable to access the net from my home network. That way I could share black listed numbers between users over the net and create a database that peoples could update every day. Just like torrent users share blocked IP we could throw a serious wrench in the whole telemarketing/scam industry! It time to start treating Robocall/T­elemarketi­ng like Spyware and Virus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 09/12/2009
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