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Some Egyptian Women Face Discrimination For Wearing Veils

First Posted: 11/14/09 05:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:05 PM ET

Egypt Summer

Theodore May I GlobalPost

CAIRO, Egypt -- It was graduation night. Sarah el-Sirgany had just wrapped up her studies at the prestigious American University in Cairo, and she was ready to celebrate with friends.

Sirgany, from a well-to-do Egyptian family, made her way to the center of town, a veil -- or hijab -- wrapped loosely, yet carefully, around her head.

She walked the gangplank of one of the Nile's posh boats and asked the manager of the restaurant inside to lead her to her friends' table.

"The bouncer at the door told me I can't get in," she said. "Honestly, it was too late into the night to get into an argument. But it was infuriating. I just told my friends to come out to meet me."

The reason she was denied entry? Her veil.

Sirgany had dared step into the battle between Egypt's secular past and increasingly religious present. She had sought entry to a restaurant filled with wine drinking upper-class Egyptians, many of whom still eschew the veil.

This young Egyptian herself exists somewhere in the middle of a growing cultural divide. She has the money to eat at the high-end restaurants and many of her friends don't don the veil.

Increasingly, though, women like Sirgany are finding themselves without a place as the Egyptian upper class fights to keep conservative strains of Islam from gaining access to its social circles.

"I think certain places want to paint a certain image about their clientele," she said, "and having veiled women inside is seen as a potential contradiction to this image."

The trend toward veiling in Egypt began 20 or 30 years ago among Egypt's lowest economic rungs. The reasons for this, say scholars, was varied.

After the fall of Arab nationalism, which reached its peak in the 1950s and '60s, many here saw the region's culture as a rudderless ship, without clear identity or relation to the West. So many turned to Islam, rallying around it as a means of creating a unique regional character.

It was also around this time that many women abandoned their traditional roles as homemakers and entered the work force. Some women took on the veil to maintain a measure of the privacy afforded to them in their past lives as stay-at-home wives.

And wearing a veil also took care of a practical problem for low-income Egyptian women.

"Some women can't afford 2 million dresses," said Isis Nusair, a professor of women's studies at Denison University in Ohio, "and wearing the hijab is cheap."

Over the years, the conservative form of Islam that compelled women to wear a veil crept slowly through the socioeconomic ranks. Estimates are that upwards of 90 percent of Muslim women in Egypt today wear the veil.

And now Egypt's elite upper class, the well-traveled sorts who tend to sneer at what they view as a backwards practice, is fighting to keep secularism alive in its ranks.

While some high-end restaurateurs turn veiled women away at the door, they are hardly the only warriors in this cultural skirmish.

Many of the beaches that line Egypt's north coast follow similar practices, forbidding veiled women from enjoying their sands. Some establishments encourage veiled women to visit nearby women-only beaches, where they can lounge and swim under tents that extend far into the Mediterranean.

Even so, not all veils are created equal. Some establishments will let veiled women enter as long as their veil is considered trendy. A loose scarf with fashionable clothes might get a pass, while a niqab -- the kind of dress that exposes nothing but the eyes -- might not be welcome.

The Egyptian government has had mixed reactions to the controversy. Strictly speaking, it embraces Sharia law as supreme. As such, it bans all Egyptians from drinking on religious holidays and forbids, absolutely, Egyptians from entering casinos.

But these nods to Egypt's Islamic legacy are not without critics, even from within the highest ranks of government.

In 2006, long-serving Culture Minister Farouk Hosni openly complained about movement toward the veil.

"There was an age when our mothers went to university and worked without the veil. It is in that spirit that we grew up. So why this regression?" he said in the controversial interview.

Egypt's conservative factions and a number of newspapers lambasted him for months following the comments, keeping alive Egypt's scandal of the year.

In this cultural brawl, though, it's clear that Islam has the momentum since members of the upper class are increasingly taking on the veil.

But a vocal minority from the upper class is committed to continuing the fight and keeping people like Sirgany out of the bars, restaurants and beaches they consider to be their final bastions of secularism.

"Sorry, but that's up to me to decide, not anyone else," said El Sirgany, discussing where she chooses to spend her evenings. "If I want to go to a pub with friends or on my own, if I want to drink alcohol while wearing the veil -- I don't drink by the way -- it's only up to me.

"People who find a problem with that, really need to get over themselves. If they can't reconcile their own stereotypes with new realities, then it's their problem, not mine."

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12:03 AM on 11/02/2009
Sharia law degrades women into 2nd class status. There is more that is hidden when a woman has to wear a veil in public; sexual aggression, sexual repression, sexual exploitation, economic exploitation and enforced infantalization of grown women.
*sexual aggression - women who don't follow the norm are subject to rape (for not wearing habibs or going out in public without a male chaperon), are subject to acid attacks for not complying with male demands
*sexual repression - can not date or flirt, are subject to arranged marriages, are subject to "honor" killings from male relatives for flaunting any aspect of sharia law that brings dishonor on the family name
*sexual exploitation - sharia law allows prepubescent girls to be married off to older men, allows up to 4 wives (for men only)
*economic exploitation - women are under men for economic support or relegated to traditional women-only duties and can not be major source of support (only the elite's daughters are exempt).
*infantalization - discourages girls from getting an education or learning a productive trade, that leaves women without the means to improve or support themselves in a modern world (only the elite's daughters are exempt).
10:46 AM on 09/28/2009
I made it very clear during the phone conversation with Theodore May that writing about the veil is very complex and laden with colonial, Orientalist and stereotypical representations of both Muslims and Arabs. I also said that Muslim women veil for a variety of reasons. These could be religious as well as economic or to protect themselves from sexual harassment in the public sphere.
Isis Nusair
09:02 AM on 09/19/2009
Continued from the woman interviewed:
Some of you’ve noted that there’s discrimination against non-veiled women. I agree, it exists to a large degree and depending on the society you live in. And like many non-veiled women are against the discrimination I get as a veiled woman,I too support their right to have equal rights no matter where they go. These aren’t two separate fights, they are one and the same.It’s one for equality and for freedom of belief.

But to punish me for the discrimination that other women face instead of making a statement in support of both our rights is honestly appalling. I thought secularism and liberalism are all about supporting other people’s right to practice their belief, even if it’s different from yours.

Some have declared on my behalf that I must have a man in my life forcing me to wear the veil or in a corrupt society that I have to conform with. Well, I’m in a family that would like to see me take off the veil.Not to mention how this would make my career moves a lot easier, since many employers don’t accept veiled women or accept them reluctantly only if they are overqualified for the job offered. I decided on my own to wear the headscarf and I’ve decided to keep it on for religious reasons not for social ones.
So please, spare the argument that since YOU believe that I’m oppressed, I deserve to be discriminated against.
08:56 AM on 09/19/2009
Dear All, I’m glad I’ve found this article since I’m the person interviewed (oh yes,veiled women can use the Internet). It’s interesting that a lot of you’ve decided that I shouldn’t be allowed to enter certain places, maybe not get an education or even a job because I have a belief different than yours. So much for your proclaimed belief in equality and liberalism.

Someone here noted that the places I’m denied entry to want to preserve the image of the protectors of the fact “That a woman should have the right to dress and work as she chooses”. Don’t you think this works both ways? I have the right to wear a short skirt or a head scarf. Discriminating against me because of my choice of dress would be a violation of that right, won’t it?

Part of this interview was about the classism practiced in some places and how they see veiled women as of lower class. They aren’t oases of liberalism.

Reading your comments, I can’t help but conclude that many of you are passing judgment on Egypt without having visited it. Many of you obviously don’t know that Egypt isn’t like Saudi (culturally or when it comes to laws). The government is neither secular nor religious, but jumps between both sides whenever it sees fit for its political survival. The government has an unspoken policy against the veil and at the same time criminalizes homosexuality. Both serve its interests and both are forms of discrimination.
07:43 PM on 09/24/2009
I have no problem with the decision you make to wear the veil, or not. However, I think you are missing a very large issue inherent in your argument. What you do in Egypt is no business of mine. What I see from the outside is an increasingly severe implementation of dress codes for women in most Islamic countries. The inevitable result of this will be that women will eventually not be able to choose. This relentless pressure will eventually require veils, or more, for all women. You may object to my prediction, but I think I think I have a very good chance of being proved correct. So, the "choice" you exercise will soon lead to no choice. So be it. The country will next move to harassing Coptic Christians and others. Again, so be it. perhaps we can benefit in the US from their emigration. The "good" result of this is that the American public will soon have additional evidence to support their well founded view that the current incarnation of Islam is intolerant and quite intentionally seeks to impose its standards wherever it gains a majority. Please see Europe for ample evidence of same. The street is a one way street. Mosques built in the US, fine. Churches built in Egypt, not fine. It will lead you to a mandated veil as well. But again, that is none of my concern.
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09:50 AM on 09/15/2009
I would look at this in a different fashion. A woman walks up to a restaurant where all other are veiled and is denied entry. Is there discrimination involved?

This is a case of man bites dog, rather than the boring dog bites man. Conservatives and ultra religious people see it as only natural to discriminate against those who do not ape them. It is when they are discriminated against that the wailing and moaning rise to a shriek.

When a female pilot refused to wear body covering in Saudi Arabia it was a scandal. When a covered person comes to this country and insists on being covered even though it is a serious security risk, there is an unstated assumption that their wishes trump ours. I don't understand why bending over backwards occurs for the conservatives but never for the progressives.

If Muslim nations insist that women appear covered in public on their soil, we must insist they always appear uncovered on our soil. If they choose not bring women along, all the better. In fact we may wish to video tape them availing themselves of liquor and prostitutes and broadcasting it to their citizenry as a service to all mankind.
09:21 AM on 09/15/2009
A case of now you see them, now you don't.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.
12:27 AM on 09/15/2009
wait i am confused, as a modern, liberal man that was raised by feminists, should I support woman who want to wear a veil or look at the veil as a paternal control mechanism?

i am so confused....
07:46 PM on 09/24/2009
Your question is relevant only in the West. In the Islamic World, the solution is being implemented as quickly as possible and that solution is a veiled one. This includes the Islamic World resident in, but not part of, the US.
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08:20 PM on 09/14/2009
Well, you have to remember that women in Egypt, for the most part HAVE to wear the veil. It hides their shame!
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billyfitz
09:26 PM on 09/14/2009
Absolutely not true you ignoramus. I've spent time in Cairo - most women dress in western fashions, sone wear headscarves and few veil. Egypt is still very secular.
10:42 AM on 09/15/2009
Egypt is not secular anymore. This is probably more apparent in the code of law than practices of dress.

I agree that many women wear Western fashions, but covered by veils or head scarves. Even at places like Citystars Mall and (heaven help us) TGIFriday's, the overwhelming majority of women are covered. The full burqa is becoming more and more common in Cairo, even among women who did not marry Saudis.

The motivations for these women to veil might be argued. However, the only unveiled heads that sparsely dot the cityscape are: foreigners choose not to veil (some do for their safety), the small minority Muslim women who choose not to, as well as Christian women.
07:47 PM on 09/24/2009
Egyot is increasingly less secular. As you seem to be either in Egypt, or frequently visit, please take a look at the proportion of veiled and non-veiled amongst the under 30 crowd. The scales are tipping decidedly in favor of the veil.
01:36 PM on 10/10/2009
Your thinking is "messy". I am Egyptian and I don't know anyone who HAS to wear the veil - however it is a growing trend that many women happily embrace as it brings them in line with their personal religious beliefs. What in the world do I have to be ashamed of - we are proud of our faith, we are proud of being Muslim and proud of being women.
You should dig a hole in the sand for your head.
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04:10 PM on 09/14/2009
Am I the only that noticed that the minority is being favored over the majority? The article states that 90% of Muslim women in Egypt wear the veil. That's a huge number. Imagine, these women are being discriminated against in their own country - where they are the majority! Why is the small percentage of the elite having their way with the "backward" majority women who do veil? Why is this okay with anyone -regardless of what your views on the veil are?
04:21 PM on 09/14/2009
Sorry, but I feel this is an instance where the minority is being protected. Christian women and Muslim women who chose not to veil get a LOT more crap, many times violent, for their choices.

The beach rules are in the interests of tourism. Conservative Christian women have to go to the "native" beaches, too, since many wear dresses or baggy t-shirts and shorts to swim.
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05:26 PM on 09/14/2009
Very good response. I think its total bullsh*t that people should be forced to wear this medieval, sexist, insecure-male pushed robe on women. These people need to reform their culture because its ridiculous anymore. A bad joke that wont go away.
03:40 PM on 09/14/2009
I thought this part was telling: "I think certain places want to paint a certain image about their clientele," she said, "and having veiled women inside is seen as a potential contradiction to this image."

That is true, but just what is that "image" they want to paint? That they do not believe in the oppression of women? That a woman should have the right to dress and work as she chooses?
06:14 PM on 09/14/2009
Where in the article did it say that this woman was being forced to wear the veil?
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09:48 PM on 09/15/2009
It didnt have to. The man in her relationship either forces her to or her morally corrupt society.
01:07 AM on 09/15/2009
some would see the pressure to dress provocatively as a form of oppression as well....remember that oppression is not defined by your own norms exclusively.
01:59 AM on 09/15/2009
But dressing provocatively is just that - pressure. It's not mandated by any religion, society, or men. It's men that decided the veil and full gown be worn, because they couldn't behave around women. Instead of learning to act civil, they force their potential victims to change their behavior and manner of dress. That's the main reason I find it oppressive.
03:38 PM on 09/14/2009
I can't feel a lot of sympathy for this woman. These places that she is trying to get into are the last safe spots for secularists and people of other faiths to be themselves. Most Muslim women who arrive there in veils soon take them off once inside; she could do the same thing if she wanted.

With graffiti in the metro reading "Your veil is a victory for the messenger", freaks throwing acid at women who aren't veiled, and unveiled but very modestly dressed women getting no sympathy when men sexually harass them (as opposed to women in skin-tight clothes who are veiled), I'm almost glad there are places where veils are not welcome.

Bouncers may not let veiled women in for security reasons, too. Various divisions of the police who focus on morality have a disgustingly strong presence around these clubs. Bouncers might be afraid that veiled woman have ties with those divisions, or that they might get heavier fines for letting in what they see as pious women.

It is wrong for anyone to force how a woman to dress, but I can see how increasing religious conservatism and the government's support of it leave owners of these establishments with no choice.
07:54 PM on 09/24/2009
I am not in the business of telling Egyptians how to structure their society. It is a futile effort in any case. Please concentrate on resisting the imposition of these standards in Western countries and the US. What the Egyptians choose to do is their own concern.
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03:18 PM on 09/14/2009
I wonder what the statistics are regarding the time progression from "taking to wearing the veil" to "being stoned for adultery" . I would guess that this is just the beginning along that road.
03:57 PM on 09/14/2009
Punishment for extramarital sex in Egypt is already bad enough:

People caught having sex before marriage in Egypt are subject to prison sentences of 1-7 years. Heavier punishment/torture at the police station usually goes to the non-Muslim in a case of mixed religions.

Cheating on one's spouse is hard to prove since 2 witnesses to intercourse are required in most cases (no joke); if proven, similar jail time to premarital sex is the normal sentence.

It would be hard to say if these punishments would get worse, but this year, people seen eating/drinking/smoking in public during Ramadan fasting hours are being arrested and sent to prison. The country is moving fast towards stoning sinners.
02:56 PM on 09/14/2009
Hey, at least she isn't being stoned to death for not wearing one
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01:26 PM on 09/14/2009
Could be worse. If people like James Dobson were in power, women wouldn't be allowed to get an education.
03:40 PM on 09/14/2009
and with people like Hamas, Khamenei, and the Taliban in charge, they cannot even show their skin or faces. Seriously, stop belittling Radical Islam. No, Dobson is not worse than they are.
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09:53 AM on 09/15/2009
Dobson may not be worse but in no way is he better. He is a power hungry demagogue with megalomaniacal tendencies. He uses reliogion as a way to make money and exercise power over others. No truly religious believer behaves as Dobson does. In light of what I read about christian belief he is at best a mild believer in Christ's doctrines.