Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust Yet Again

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NASSER KARIMI | 09/18/09 11:25 PM | AP

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Escorted by his bodyguards, reformist former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, center, is attacked by hard-liners as he attends a Quds Day rally, in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Sept. 18, 2009. At one of the opposition rallies, a group of hard-liners came up and attacked reformist former president, Mohammad Khatami, pushing him to the ground, according to a reformist Web site. Thousands of opposition supporters held protests in competition with government-sponsored mass rallies to mark an annual anti-Israel commemoration, the Quds Day that reflects the Persian nation's sympathy with the Palestinians. (AP Photo)

TEHRAN, Iran — Tens of thousands of protesters – many decked out in the green colors of the reform movement and chanting "Death to the dictator!" – rallied Friday in defiance of Iran's Islamic leadership, clashing with police and confronting state-run anti-Israel rallies.

In the first major opposition protests in two months, demonstrators marching shoulder-to-shoulder raised their hands in V-for-victory signs on main boulevards and squares throughout the capital.

Lines of police, security forces and plainclothes Basij militiamen kept the two sides apart in most cases. At times they waded into the protesters with baton charges and tear gas volleys. The demonstrators responded by throwing stones and bricks, and setting tires ablaze.

Hard-liners attacked two senior opposition leaders who joined the protests. Former pro-reform President Mohammad Khatami was shoved and jostled, gripping his black turban to keep it from being knocked off as supporters rushed in to protect him, pushing away the attackers and hustling him away.

The protests were a significant show of defiance after supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explicitly banned anti-government marches on Quds Day, an annual memorial created by Iran's Islamic Republic to show support for the Palestinians and denounce Israel. Quds is Arabic for Jerusalem.

It was also a show of survival. The opposition has been hit hard by a fierce crackdown in which hundreds have been arrested since disputed June 12 presidential elections sparked Iran's worst political turmoil in decades. Friday's protests could escalate the confrontation – hard-line clerics have demanded the arrest of any opposition leaders who defy Khamenei's order and back protests on Quds Day.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who the opposition contends won re-election by fraud, delivered a nationally televised address, railing against Israel and the West.

Speaking before a crowd of supporters at Tehran University, he questioned whether the Holocaust was a "real event" and called it a pretext for the creation of Israel. He said the Jewish state was founded on "a lie and a mythical claim."

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Outside the university, while the speech blared on loudspeakers, opposition protesters shouted "liar, liar!"

U.S. officials denounced the Iranian leader's comments on the Holocaust, which Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, called "hateful." She said President Barack Obama would not meet with Ahmadinejad during next week's gathering of world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly.

In protests around Tehran and other Iranian cities, demonstrators chanted "Not Gaza, not Lebanon – our life is for Iran" in a challenge of the government's priority of supporting Palestinian militants in Gaza and Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas instead of focusing on problems at home.

The Quds Day rallies, which attracted several hundred thousand people, far outnumbered the tens of thousands who turned out for the opposition – a reflection of the government's freedom to rally supporters.

Opposition supporters wearing green T-shirts and wristbands poured onto main boulevards and squares in the capital, waving green banners and balloons, and pictures of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims to be the rightful winner of the election. "Death to the dictator!" they shouted.

Just hundreds of yards away, crowds of Ahmadinejad supporters marched carrying huge photographs of the president and supreme leader Khamenei. Some chanted, "Death to those who oppose the supreme leader!"

A group of hard-liners attacked Khatami nearby, surging toward him as his supporters shoved them away and surrounded the cleric, witnesses said.

Elsewhere, government supporters also tried to attack the main opposition leader, Mousavi, when he joined another march. As supporters scuffled with the attackers, Mousavi was rushed into a car and driven away, a witness said.

All the witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of government retaliation.

The government imposed restrictions on journalists, allowing them to cover the Quds Day rallies but not opposition protests. As often happens during opposition demonstrations, Internet access and phone service was frequently cut, apparently in a state attempt to sever protesters' communications.

In one of Tehran's main squares, Haft-e Tir, security forces wielding batons and firing tear gas tried to break up an opposition march, and were confronted by protesters throwing stones and bricks, witnesses said. Several policemen were seen being taken away with slight injuries.

Protesters set bonfires during another clash in the city, and young men and women wrapped green scarves over their faces against the clouds of tear gas.

At least 10 protesters were seized by plainclothes security agents in marches around the city, witnesses said.

The pro-government Quds Day rallies were held around the country, and the opposition staged competing rallies in several cities. In Shiraz to the south, police rushed protesters with batons, scuffling with them, witnesses said. Footage put out by the opposition showed hundreds of protesters fleeing a police charge in the northern city of Rasht.

Hundreds of thousands marched in support of Mousavi in the weeks after the June election, until police, Basij militiamen and the elite Revolutionary Guard crushed the protests, arresting hundreds. The opposition says 72 people were killed in the crackdown, though the government puts the number at 36. The last significant protest was on July 17.

The Quds Day occasion was established in 1979 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the revolution that created Iran's Islamic Republic. Customarily on Quds Day, Iranians gather for pro-Palestinian rallies in various parts of Tehran, marching through the streets and later converging for the prayer ceremony.

In his speech, Ahmadinejad hailed the commemoration as a "day of unity" for Iranians and denounced criticism of the election.

(This version CORRECTS SUBS 4th graf to correct Khatami's first name to Mohammad. Multimedia: An updated interactive timeline of Iran's recent history will be available in the _international/iran_timeline folder this afternoon. AP Video.)

TEHRAN, Iran — Tens of thousands of protesters – many decked out in the green colors of the reform movement and chanting "Death to the dictator!" – rallied Friday in defiance of Iran...
TEHRAN, Iran — Tens of thousands of protesters – many decked out in the green colors of the reform movement and chanting "Death to the dictator!" – rallied Friday in defiance of Iran...
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- WarSkeptic I'm a Fan of WarSkeptic 20 fans permalink
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My understanding of what he says is that its very similar to how most Americans look at the deaths of their enemies. Its a sad mentality but unfortunately pretty universal to all cultures.
They admit many were killed but quibble over the word to use. You couldn't possibly call the Afghan war a genocide against the Pashtuns here in America for example
They minimize the death counts just like Our leaders do in Iraq or Afghanistan.
They also will dispute collective innocence. So to use our example of the Pashtuns again(which I use because it is current, not because it the best analogy) , 99.9% of the people killed had nothing to do with 911 or any kind of terrorism against the United States. But in America that rational doesn't fly. Instead Americans will talk about muslim fundamentalism,the complex political issues in the region regarding Pakistan ect. To the point were we convey a collective guilt on the Pashtuns
Similarly in Iran they minimize the death counts and quibble over collective innocence. While they recognize many innocent killed, they would say that many Eastern European jews were conspiring with Russian Bolsheviks (Iran's longtime enemy) against the German's. Which is certainly true, but only for about .1% of the jews killed in WWII. About the same ratio as the Pashtuns involved in terrorism against the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 10/01/2009
- Wardruna I'm a Fan of Wardruna 11 fans permalink
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A bunch of tea-baggers - in the lib’s mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 09/21/2009

Ahmadinejad and Abbas, head of the PA BOTH deny the holocaust...Abbas wrote his college thesis on Holocaust denial..and Israel is supposed to deal with him???? LMAO-at that notion!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 09/21/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 137 fans permalink
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Wasn't/isn't "Jordan is Palestine" the slogan of the Likud bloc in Israel since the late 1980s?

The bloc that wishes to evict all Palestinians from anywhere the Likud Bloc decides is Israeli land?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 09/21/2009
- joabear I'm a Fan of joabear 6 fans permalink

The New York Helmsley Hotel last night abruptly canceled a long-planned banquet for next week after finding out that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was scheduled to attend and speak, The Post has learned.

An Iranian student group had booked the space months ago, said Howard Rubenstein, spokesman for Helmsley Properties.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jad_gets_heave_ho_from_helmsley_nIJbRjyo9FqI7FhHe5SM3O

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 09/20/2009
- joabear I'm a Fan of joabear 6 fans permalink

"APPEAL TO UN:

Dear Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon,


Recalling that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights guarantees the right to life, liberty and security of person, freedom of opinion and expression, freedom of peaceful assembly, and the democratic right to participate in genuine elections;

We hereby call upon you to lead the United Nations and the international community in convening an urgent and immediate Special Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council on the grave violations of international human rights law in Iran since the fraudulent June elections, and, in that context, for the Council to establish an independent, international and impartial commission of inquiry to investigate:

• The complicity of Iran’s senior leadership, including Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Kahmenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in perpetuating massive election fraud, followed by the brutal arrests, beating and killing of peaceful demonstrators by the Basij and other government forces, including the deadly June 20, 2009 shooting of 27-year-old Neda Agha-Soltan;
•• Secret burials of dead protesters in Tehran’s Behesht Zahra cemetery and other locations;

Mindful of the precedent shown by former Secretary-General Kofi Annan in 2006, when he successfully led the international community in calling for a special session of the Human Rights Council on Darfur, we now look to your moral leadership to give hope to the millions seeking human rights, freedom and justice in Iran.

...
http://www.iranian.com/main/node/81416

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 09/20/2009
- Tunghoy I'm a Fan of Tunghoy 39 fans permalink

Seconded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 09/21/2009
- joabear I'm a Fan of joabear 6 fans permalink

Protesters vs Basijis
Qods Day clash in Tehran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb7ztHcOZH8&feature=player_embedded

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 09/20/2009
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Thank you. An amazing clip of a street battle that screams the question, whose side are you on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 09/21/2009
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The least peaceful regimes in the world are driven by religion... We've addressed that in the US to some degree in our last election, but will surely see a tilt backwards as it goes in politics.. The history of this conflict runs so deep, is it possible to ever attain peace? Doubt it. We can only hope for furthered tolerance from both sides. Israel must stop expanding, and Iran must reform, which is what so many inspiring young Iranians are doing, in the name of peace. Its amazing to see how all of the people of the world can transcend their Gov'ts grip. We all want the same things, but the religionis­t/extremis­t element on ALL sides will always want to destroy each other. Our governments do not represent the opinions of its peoples. Bless the internet for allowing us to get that across to each other these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 09/20/2009
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The best protests are boycotts. If everybody stopped working, then they would have to step down. Don't buy things affiliated with supporters of the regime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 09/20/2009
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On Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial itself: http://www.juancole.com/

The US press coverage of the speech has focused on Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust, which seems more complete than before (he has in the past said that the number of dead, 6 million, has been 'exaggerated'). He said this time, "Four or five years after the Second World War, all of a sudden they claimed that during this war, the Holocaust had occurred. They claimed that a few million Jews had been burned in the crematorium furnaces. They institutionalized two slogans. One was the innocence of the Jews. They used lies and very sophisticated propaganda and psychological ploys and created the illusion that they (the Jews) are innocent. The second goal was that they created the illusion that the Jews needed an independent state and government. They were so persuasive and convincing that many of the world's politicians and intellectuals were deceived and persuaded." Elsewhere he called this 'pretext' a "lie" and a "myth" (afsaneh).

He then went on to repeat his bizarre claim that researchers are prevented from researching the Holocaust. Surely no event in history has been better documented by historians from primary sources.

I just felt a chill, and frankly then nausea, as I read this sewage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 09/20/2009
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His opinion does not matter. What really matters is the voice of the Iranian people who do not want him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 09/20/2009
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No, what matters is Ahmadinejad getting ahold of the bomb. I don't care what the antisemitictrolls say on this site - it is a scary thought indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 09/20/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 21 fans permalink
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More media manufactured uproar over the Iranian presidential elections than about the black robed conservative hardliners who negated our elections and gave us George W. Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 09/20/2009
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more dribble from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 09/20/2009
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nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 09/20/2009
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Manufactured uproar??

L.i.e.s and this from someone who purports a Media Conspiracy when your own credibility is less than zero. Shills for IRI are reduced to apologize for crimes and outrages by Ahma as you militantly ignore or slander the protesters. They 'manufactured' this crisis by giving the lie to the very foundations of IRI. Ahma 'manufactured' this crisis by election theft compounded by racist, vicious statements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 09/20/2009
- RedDogBear I'm a Fan of RedDogBear 65 fans permalink
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Nietzsche said "be careful that in fighting monsters you don't become one" I agree with all your criticisms of the MSM. They ignored it when Bush stole not one but two elections. They pretend Iran has a nuclear weapons program when even according to the CIA there is no evidence to support that. However, please don't be so blinded that you support Ahmadinejad. Especially after this recent election its clear that he's a thug who is either deluded or willing to lie about the holocaust. Its important for people who support democracy to stand with the people of Iran against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 09/20/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 21 fans permalink
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According to this poll a majority in Iran support the current government:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48510

Granted the poll may be skewed because of respondent fear,it's still better than the propaganda of corporate media, with their agenda supporting an attack on Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 09/21/2009
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Still can't come up with better half-truths than that poll? Trying to combat what you call "the propaganda of corporate media" with base propaganda of your own? Justifying your defense of a reactionary, holocaust denying tyrant with paranoia over an Iran war?

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=48510

Some Iran specialists here suggested that the high approval and confidence in the government and the elections expressed in the survey could be explained by fear of retaliation, particularly in light of the regime's harsh crackdown against the opposition throughout the summer.

"If I were in Iran and someone called me to ask those direct questions, I would be leery of answering them honestly or directly," said Farideh Farhi, an Iran scholar at the University of Hawaii. "I have to ask whether fear may have been a factor in the results."

Indeed, as noted by PIPA's director, Stephen Kull, the refusal of one out of four respondents to say whom they voted for in the election was an "extremely high number" and "...suggests that people have some discomfort with this topic". Given that discomfort, he said, "the findings on voting preference are not a solid basis for estimating the actual vote".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 09/21/2009
- joabear I'm a Fan of joabear 6 fans permalink

Khomeini's statement which Ahmadinejad just quoted khomeini. It wasn't anything original that he said.

he quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini's statement that "the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/22/religion.israelandthepalestinians

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/20/2009
- joabear I'm a Fan of joabear 6 fans permalink

"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran's president, is the former mayor of Tehran and has become a figure of fun because of his provocative rhetoric. But he is also a cause of fear since his notorious speech of 2005 in which he quoted the late Ayatollah Khomeini's statement that

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Jews have lived in Persia for over two and a half thousand years, and in medieval times it was a centre of the Jewish Karaite sect. In 1948 the Jewish population of Iran was estimated at some 100,000, although 50% have since emigrated to Israel."

History of Jews in Iran:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/22/religion.israelandthepalestinians

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/20/2009
- joeinvt I'm a Fan of joeinvt 10 fans permalink

Ahmadinejad was once again mistranslated. Only native speakers of Farsi can really understand anything he says. It's not that he denies the Holocaust per se. He just thinks that the Jews should just stop whining, get over it and move on. He is quick to point out that only 75% of indigenous Iranian Jews have been ethnically cleansed in comparison to almost 100% from the Arab countries of the mideast. Another thing to remember about Ahmadinejad is that he does a wicked Sammy Davis, Jr. (a Jewish entertainer) impression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 09/20/2009
- ImissBush I'm a Fan of ImissBush 35 fans permalink
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stop confusin us w/ da facts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/20/2009
- gbrooks I'm a Fan of gbrooks 69 fans permalink
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It's my understanding that his "wipe Israel off the map" quote was also a deliberate mistranslation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 09/20/2009
- ImissBush I'm a Fan of ImissBush 35 fans permalink
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i agree
he questioned y it should exist as a country since the arabs werent the the 1s tryin 2 exterminate them

but tht would require debating his points as opposed 2 name callin etc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 09/20/2009
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The 'wipe-off-the-map' quote was wrong. However, he's an over the top holocaust denier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 09/20/2009
- lapdogs I'm a Fan of lapdogs 15 fans permalink
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Just wondering... Does Joe Wilson have any plans on visiting Iran and taking to the streets?

He'd fit right in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/20/2009
- Sabum I'm a Fan of Sabum 4 fans permalink

the only thing that needs protesting is the savage regime that controls the lives of so many innocent people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 09/20/2009
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2+2 = 1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 09/20/2009
- Sirdi I'm a Fan of Sirdi 3 fans permalink
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That would be, the UK? Or closer still?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 09/20/2009
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