Ex-CIA Chiefs Ask Obama To Stop Interrogations Probe

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PAMELA HESS | 09/18/09 11:48 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Seven former CIA directors asked President Barack Obama on Friday to quash a criminal probe of harsh interrogations of terror suspects during the Bush administration.

The CIA directors, who served both Democratic and Republican presidents and include three who worked under President George W. Bush, made their request in a letter Friday to the White House.

Attorney General Eric Holder announced last month that he was appointing an independent counsel to investigate possible incidents of abuse by CIA personnel during interrogations that went beyond guidelines imposed by the Bush administration.

The incidents were referred by the CIA inspector general to the Justice Department during the Bush administration, but Justice officials at the time prosecuted only one case.

"If criminal investigations closed by career prosecutors during one administration can so easily be reopened at the direction of political appointees in the next, declinations of prosecution will be rendered meaningless," wrote the former directors.

The Washington Post reported on its Web site Friday night that the Justice Department will focus on only two or three cases for possible indictment.

One of them, said the newspaper, involved an Afghan prisoner who died after being beaten and chained on a cold night to a concrete floor without blankets. The report cited unidentified officials.

The seven former CIA directors included Michael Hayden, Porter Goss and George Tenet, who served under Bush; John Deutch and James Woolsey, who worked for President Bill Clinton; William Webster, who served under President George H.W. Bush; and James Schlesinger, who ran the agency under President Richard Nixon. Tenet also served under Clinton.

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They urged Obama to reverse Holder's Aug. 24 decision to reopen the investigation of interrogations following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency is cooperating with the Justice Department review "in part to see that they move as expeditiously as possible."

"The director has stood up for those who followed legal guidance on interrogation, and he will continue to do so," said Gimigliano.

In their letter, the former directors warned that the investigations could discourage CIA officers from doing the kind of aggressive intelligence work needed to counter terrorism and may inhibit foreign governments from working with the United States.

Matthew Miller, Holder's spokesman, said Holder does not believe his probe will affect CIA employees' commitment to their work.

"The attorney general's decision to order a preliminary review into this matter was made in line with his duty to examine the facts and to follow the law. As he has made clear, the Department of Justice will not prosecute anyone who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees," Miller said in a written statement.

The former CIA directors also warned that foreign governments may be hesitant to cooperate with the United States if the probe continues.

"As a result of the zeal on the part of some to uncover every action taken in the post-9/11 period, many countries may decide that they can no longer safely share intelligence or cooperate with us on future counter-terrorist operations. They simply cannot rely on our promises of secrecy," the letter says.

The letter said the CIA referred fewer than 20 incidents to Bush administration prosecutors, including the case of CIA contractor David Passaro. Passaro was prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to eight years for beating an Afghan detainee in 2007. The detainee later died.

One former CIA official familiar with the cases now under review said that Bush-era Justice lawyers declined to prosecute either because they were not certain they could win conviction or because some of the CIA personnel involved had already been disciplined by the agency. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the cases.

Though not a signatory to the letter, current CIA Director Leon Panetta also opposed Holder's investigation.

"I think the reason I felt the way I did is because I don't believe there's a basis there for any kind of additional action," Panetta said.

"My concern is ... that we don't get trapped by the past. My feeling is ultimately, we're going to be able to move on," he told reporters this week after a speech in Michigan.

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Seven former CIA directors asked President Barack Obama on Friday to quash a criminal probe of harsh interrogations of terror suspects during the Bush administration

7?

None of them did their job to prevent our attack from their lack of ability to communicate.

They now know best?

Really?

Tenent- Give back that medal- you do not deserve that !

Medal for telling the puppet what he wanted to hear!

Please-

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 09/19/2009
- Jannsmoor I'm a Fan of Jannsmoor 64 fans permalink

It is hard to defend a criminal probe that only goes after the guy who was just exceeding orders, when the orders themselves constituted war crimes and the real culprits are left uninvestigated.

But here goes. The rationale advanced by the CIA chiefs to stop the investigation goes something like this Once a prosecution is declined it should never be reviewed because the review renders the decline meaningless. To them and to the rest of the world, I would pose the counter point.

It renders justice meaningless to allow criminals to go free on the basis their prosecution was declined, perhaps by a government itself trying to evade prosecution.

So which is more important, imparting immutable meaning to 'declining prosecution,' or imparting immutable meaning to 'justice?'

It should be clear to all that the former CIA chiefs are defending their own corrupt acts, not in furtherance of justice but in fact at the expense of justice.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 09/19/2009


Well, at least this doesn't mention the horrible effect a probe would have on "morale" at the CIA. I must have read a hundred times that the FBI would be permanently demoralized if Leonard Peltier ever went free. It's a matter of national security, I guess, that the boys don't get their feelings hurt. Nobody seems to care what it does to my morale to live in a country that sanctions terror, but I'ma keep my chin up anyhow.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 09/19/2009


woops, meant "sanctions torture" - pretty Freudian of me

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 09/19/2009
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Interesting word exchange, but it turns out that they are equally appropriate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/20/2009
- DustinTime I'm a Fan of DustinTime 41 fans permalink

Yeah, hurry up before it leads the American people to the truth... instead of the ridiculous fantasy about people in caves outsmarting the most powerful military on earth... and how, like the false Gulf of Tonkin incident, all staged to get congress to sign off on endless, formally undeclared wars...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

Time to wake up to the ugly truth, folks--before it gets a lot uglier.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 09/19/2009
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 25 fans permalink

Obama should pay no attention to these CIA ex's. Many Americans are ashamed at the behavior of some of the CIA ops, and the Justice Dept's paid mercenaries.Could we get some women in top CIA jobs to change the culture? It can't come fast enough. No offense toward men in general, but we need big changes in the hierarchy of the CIA and in Congress. This torture has got to stop. Let's represent the USA as it really is; 51% females. That number should be represented in Congress, the CIA, the Supreme Court, etc., etc. We want to share with men, not take over.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/19/2009
- OurKoan I'm a Fan of OurKoan 23 fans permalink
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That would be an interesting twist to representative democracy. But with women like Feinstein, Bachmann, Palin and Taitz out there, the XY's no longer have a monopoly on idiocy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 09/19/2009
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 25 fans permalink

It would still be better.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 09/20/2009
- kev1000 I'm a Fan of kev1000 41 fans permalink

You don't think women can torture?

Have you seen The View?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 09/19/2009
- heal57 I'm a Fan of heal57 25 fans permalink

lol.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 09/20/2009
- Thabit I'm a Fan of Thabit 16 fans permalink

"You don't think women can torture?"
Do any of you have a male friend that has been in a divorce ? After reviewing 100 divorces at random would you still wonder if women can torture ?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 09/26/2009
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If they forgive, forget and move forward on these crimes of torture then they need to release anyone who has ever been convicted of any felony ever and stop all investigations of anyone who is suspected of a felony. As Obama puts it, "We need to look forward"

BS! We are a nation of laws and when you hurt someone you must pay the consequences. Anyone who has tortured another human being needs to be locked up. Is there no justice anymore?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 09/19/2009
- DustinTime I'm a Fan of DustinTime 41 fans permalink

We signed a treaty pledging to prosecute anyone involved in torture, no exceptions. Know who signed it?

Ronald Reagan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 09/19/2009

jefferson said that "a government which makes a policy of keeping secrets from its own public has ceased working in the best interests of the people." he also said that "only criminals and tyrants have need of much secrecy."

even that indian killing syphilitic slave-rapist, george washington, though himself a militarist, sagely said, "a democratic society cannot long exist in teh presence of a standing army." and so it has not.

again jefferson... "the prerequisites for a democracy to exist are a wel-educated and truthfuly informed public." well, when i was a kid, the school system was little more than a babysitting brainwashing service and since then it has gotten worse. the annual study of the world's educational systems found america 7th best in 1950 but by 1999 it was 49th. bulgaria was 48th. that was before bush&co hacked budgets and we see flat-earthers denounce science and 16 year old girls arrested in schools as possible terrorists for wearing antiwar t-shirts, a sure way to teach them freedom of speech. as for truthfully informed, MSM as a psy-op run by intel in a country which now secretizes over 30 million documents per year. 30% of americans cannot point out england on a nameless map... so what we have here is an ill-educated and disinformed public. by jefferson's definition, this then cannot be a democracy. by george washingtons statement this cannot be a democracy, either. this is fiefdom and demockery

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 09/19/2009
- DustinTime I'm a Fan of DustinTime 41 fans permalink

Yes. Amen. Thank you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 09/19/2009
- boboyaya I'm a Fan of boboyaya 3 fans permalink

At first I was against the investigation. Then I wondered what type of a professional interrogator would kill off the source of his information? Unless the interrogator was a double agent who wanted to silence the detainee before he blabbed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 09/19/2009
- GHM I'm a Fan of GHM 5 fans permalink

Sure they know that if they go down the will squeal on former CIA director.
I only see one that's really complaning.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 09/19/2009

fresh from 60 Minutes where obama stated flatly "we don't stand for torture'... two days after inauguration he announced the continuation of the CIA rendition program of outsourced disappearance and torture. again, 2 weeks ago, still posing as anti-torture, obama mandated the full maintenance of the rendition program. obama promised to close gitmo and reinstall rule of law into the the detainee situation and has done no such thing. the soonest gitmo will be closed is late 2010. my guess is that we'll see obama get his own 'terrorist event' to 'justify' the wars and torture ad infinitum.

president eisenhower believed the korean war was illegal and wrongheaded imperialism. he shut down general macarthur and had completely ended the korean war within two months of taking office. by comparison, obama, like 90+% of all democrats, voted in goosestep with the GOP, on the war budgets, extrabudgetal war funding, patriot acts, etc. never once did obama, hillary or most any of the congress, (excepting kucinich and a few others), ever protest the war crimes, torture, police state or trillions wasted. obomber plans to maintain 50,000 troops and 100,000 'contractors' to hold the resource colony of 'liberated' iraq indefinitely. obummer expands the afpak atrocities and still backs the torture scene of rendition. obamabush has protected the war criminals and torturers since he took office as he is now one himself. the new nazis 'just say no' to nuremberg trials for themselves. those old german nazis were just amateurs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/19/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 243 fans permalink

Isn't interesting how you and I an many others, all mention Kucinich and others as examples of democratic politicians doing the right thing, but we won't elect him, because the MSM convinced us he's unelectable.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 09/20/2009
- Scoppertop I'm a Fan of Scoppertop 14 fans permalink
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Oh, no, the CIA basically just wants billions of our money every year to do whatever they want, without consequences.

We need a full audit of the federal reserve AND the defense department.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/19/2009
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 84 fans permalink
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Exactly right, they need to be overseen just like any other group.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 09/19/2009
- DustinTime I'm a Fan of DustinTime 41 fans permalink

Hell yes. Thank you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/19/2009
- talkingdog I'm a Fan of talkingdog 24 fans permalink
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Who does CIA report to anyway,....I thought Harry Truman set it up to report to the President.
It shouldn't be a rogue agency accountable to no one, with powers to take life.
I thought it could only operate off shore?
If it's not loyal to the President's office it should be shutdown.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 09/19/2009
- jcwtts1 I'm a Fan of jcwtts1 147 fans permalink
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The investigation is a quagmire and there is simply no way to know when it will end. This is what I envision, someone is going to say they were ordered to do what they did. Then the person who gave the order is going to be investigated and they, after months, are going to say they were ordered to do something, it will go up the food chain to the white house. And what we will all discover, shock of shocks, the President wasn't involved with any of this. Karl Rove and Dick Chaney were running the CIA as if it were a private army, against all convention and against federal law. Seriously, once they start investigating tons of people are going to end up going to jail.

J

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 09/19/2009
- wijg I'm a Fan of wijg 36 fans permalink
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"the Department of Justice will not prosecute anyone who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees," Miller said in a written statement."

Right, so we must be going after the ones that provided the "legal guidance," Steven Bradbury and Jay Bybee?

BTW, wasn't it Bradbury who twisted research to justify torture?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/sleep_expert_surprised_and_saddened_to_find_resear.php

Panetta: "My concern is ... that we don't get trapped by the past. My feeling is ultimately, we're going to be able to move on."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 09/19/2009
- rcozad I'm a Fan of rcozad 19 fans permalink

What part of NON Political Justice Department don't these people get? If President Obama starts to direct which criminal activity the Justice Department prosecutes he will be no better than Karl Rove!
He is WORLDS better and as such let the trials begin if there is ample evidence that laws were indeed broken!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 09/19/2009
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