Poles, Czechs: U.S. Missile Defense Shift A "Betrayal"

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VANESSA GERA | 09/18/09 05:09 PM | AP

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WARSAW, Poland — Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries.

"Betrayal! The U.S. sold us to Russia and stabbed us in the back," the Polish tabloid Fakt declared on its front page.

Polish President Lech Kaczynski said he was concerned that Obama's new strategy leaves Poland in a dangerous "gray zone" between Western Europe and the old Soviet sphere.

Recent events have rattled nerves throughout central and eastern Europe, a region controlled by Moscow during the Cold War, including the war last summer between Russia and Georgia and ongoing efforts by Russia to regain influence in Ukraine. A Russian cutoff of gas to Ukraine last winter left many Europeans without heat.

"Russia is testing us. It is testing how much we are afraid of it. It's pity that we won't be able to complete the test," said former Czech President Vaclav Havel.

The Bush administration's missile defense plan would have been "a major step in preventing various disturbing trends in our region of the world," Kaczynski said in a guest editorial in Fakt that also was carried on his presidential Web site.

Neighboring Lithuania, a small Baltic nation that broke away from the Soviet Union in 1991 and is now a NATO member, also expressed regret over Obama's decision.

Defense Minister Rasa Jukneviciene said that the shield would have increased security for Lithuania and she hoped missile defense would not be excluded from future talks on NATO security.

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U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he still sees a chance for Poles and Czechs to participate in the redesigned missile defense system. But that did not appear to calm nerves in Warsaw or Prague.

Kaczynski expressed hopes that the U.S. will now offer Poland other forms of "strategic partnership."

Later Friday, U.S. ambassador Victor Ashe stressed that "the United States counts Poland among its closest allies and friends."

"Consultations on the way forward for missile defense will continue between our two governments," Ashe said in a statement. "The role Poland would play in the new, phased, adapted approach is as crucial now as in the past."

In Prague, Czech Foreign Minister Jan Kohout said he made two concrete proposals to U.S. officials on Thursday in hopes of keeping the U.S.-Czech alliance strong: for the U.S. to establish a branch of West Point for NATO members in Central Europe and to "send a Czech scientist on the U.S. space shuttle to the international space station."

An editorial in Hospodarske Novine, a respected pro-business Czech newspaper, said: "an ally we rely on has betrayed us, and exchanged us for its own, better relations with Russia, of which we are rightly afraid."

The move has raised fears in the two nations they are being marginalized by Washington even as a resurgent Russia leaves them longing for added American protection.

The Bush administration always said that the planned system – with a radar near Prague and interceptors in northern Poland – was meant as defense against Iran. But Poles and Czechs saw it as protection against Russia, and Moscow too considered a military installation in its backyard to be a threat.

"No Radar. Russia won," the largest Czech daily, Mlada Fronta Dnes, declared in a front-page headline.

Obama said the old plan was scrapped in part because the U.S. has concluded that Iran is less focused on developing the kind of long-range missiles for which the system was originally developed, making the building of an expensive new shield unnecessary.

The replacement system is to link smaller radar systems with a network of sensors and missiles that could be deployed at sea or on land. Some of the weaponry and sensors are ready now, and the rest would be developed over the next 10 years.

The Pentagon contemplates a system of perhaps 40 missiles by 2015, at two or three sites across Europe.

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Associated Press writers Karel Janicek in Prague and Liudas Dapkus in Vilnius, Lithuania, contributed to this report.

WARSAW, Poland — Poles and Czechs voiced deep concern Friday at President Barack Obama's decision to scrap a Bush-era missile defense shield planned for their countries. "Betrayal! The U.S. sol...
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A nonfunctional weapon system is the only way to strengthen the ties between us? Give me a break. Send them Grims fairy tales, just as effective.. We would be better off just writing them a check than fielding a joke. Whatever you do don't make decisions based on the facts and merits. What is with people and their delusions these days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 09/21/2009

I'm not sure how they view it in Poland

But In Czechoslovakia, 70% of the public were opposed to our missile "defense" in their country
So the headline of the article should be reversed.

It should read
"Czechs happy US ending missile program"
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1A1-D8U1O9NG3.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 09/21/2009

I really hope they're just being overly dramatic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 09/21/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 09/20/2009
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 20 fans permalink

Rupert Murdoch owns lots propoganda in Australia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 09/20/2009
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I feel for these guys. How are they supposed to survive without a technology that doesn't work against a weapon that doesn't exist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 09/20/2009
- Yeah-Me I'm a Fan of Yeah-Me 37 fans permalink
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Yet... :oP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 09/20/2009
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In Prague, Czech Foreign Minister Jan Kohout said he made two concrete proposals to U.S. officials on Thursday in hopes of keeping the U.S.-Czech alliance strong: for the U.S. to establish a branch of West Point for NATO members in Central Europe and to "send a Czech scientist on the U.S. space shuttle to the in
nternational space station."
Translation: In order to keep allience "strong"---- gimme it, gimme it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 09/20/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

It works for Israel, guess the Czech Republic is following that model.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 09/20/2009
- ImissBush I'm a Fan of ImissBush 35 fans permalink
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isreals r special ally
they nvr ask anything frm US

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 09/20/2009
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Israelis and U.S. are allies. Despite a tiny size Israel contributes tremendous amount to American arts, culture, science. medicine, technology and industry.

Example1: U.S. is saving millions of gallons of oil becuase of usage of Israeli developed environmental tech.
Example2: Most U,.S. hospitals use life-saving medical devices developed in Israel.
Example3: Any who uses VOIP, ICQ uses Israeli developed tech.
Example 4: Itzhak Perlman
next subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/20/2009
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Ah, so now the Schrodinger Cat is out of the bag. This missile thing was NOT about Iran afterall.
What a giant surprise.... not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/20/2009
- princeza I'm a Fan of princeza 8 fans permalink
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This article is quite misleading. The Missile Defense Shield may have been popular among the politicians, but not with the people. Most Poles and Czechs didn't want this encroachment by the US. They didn't want to heighten tensions with Russia.

This "Shield" was a waste of many anyway. For as much as it would've cost, it wasn't very accurate. IMHO, it also isn't very necessary. Russia isn't the threat it used to be. Although it may have meddled in Georgia's affairs, it isn't likely that Russia is going to meddle with either Poland or the Czech Republic (well, other than the natural gas thing).

Congratulations, I got a more balanced piece on this issue from CNN.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 09/20/2009
- j0hnny99 I'm a Fan of j0hnny99 3 fans permalink

I have a hard time believing Iran is a threat to Poland or the Czech Republic. Send us your socializied health care and then maybe we can send you some missle defense. Hell, send us some of your paid holidays (they have twice as many in Europe as the U.S.) and maybe we could station some troops in your frightened states. The conservative parties of Poland and Czech are crying just like our conservatives!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 09/20/2009
- bgofca I'm a Fan of bgofca 17 fans permalink

Since the missiles were not very accurate, they were a waste of money and basically just for show.
We should make more of our foreign aid humaitarian and leave more of the defense and interfering with other countries to the countries themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 09/19/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 372 fans permalink
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Am I the only person who wonders why Europe doesn't build its own missile defense system? Why is that our responsibility? We need national health care, not military defense for other countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 09/19/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 28 fans permalink
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Because Europe is not scared of the Russians trying to take over the world and challenge American hegemony (again).
Because Europe has lost the cold-war hate mentality but we have not.
Because Europe does not have reason to believe that many countries in the world want to destroy it. We have created many enemies for ourselves and thus must always be paranoid.
Because we beleive that the world belong to us and thus must police the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 AM on 09/20/2009

all points taken.

I live in Germany and agree with you 100 %. In the fifties and sixties we had the iron curtain and our governments were busy scaring us with the bad Russians soon invading. If I would talk today in Cologne to another person about national safety, eastern threats, invasion etc. he woud definitely think I have lost my marbles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 09/21/2009
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Ignoring sloganeering bluti childishness,, Europeans got used to American military shield which protected it from various threats since WW2.
In military sense Eruopeans are basically American colonies aka as "respected allies."
Of course, Europeans are very happy not to shoulder the cost of their own defense. In fact they are addicted to this.
Just as Americans are addicted to being the world's gendarmes and imperial hegemony.
Only exception is France, which maintains an illusion of being an independent sovereign nation out of reach of American imperial reach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 09/20/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

..."Of course, Europeans are very happy not to shoulder the cost of their own defense. In fact they are addicted to this".............as are a number of other coutries, including Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/20/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

No money for Wall Street and the defense industry in national health care or education.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 09/20/2009
- bobo5 I'm a Fan of bobo5 20 fans permalink

Poland needs to adhere to the EU and trade with Russia, Sweden and Germany and move beyond history.

What were these missiles for anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 09/19/2009
- superlive I'm a Fan of superlive 5 fans permalink

The missiles according to the previous Admin were for the purpose of defending NATO's East-Euro members from WMD launched from Middle-Eastern sites (Iran). There was a serious scientific fault in the logic, however, since any missiles launched from Iran would travel over and therefore be intercepted over Russian airspace. The Kremlin naturally objects to any foreign military action compromising their sovereignty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 09/20/2009
- mulegino I'm a Fan of mulegino 63 fans permalink

To the Poles and Czechs: if you wish to register your grievances about being sold out by the U.S. government, you have to get in the long line of betrayed allies, forsaken "friends" and strategic partners turned into adversaries. This line stretches back a long way-at least as far as the Polish Government in exile (WWII), Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh, Chang and his Kuomintang, various Arab regimes, our "noble" Soviet Ally (WWII), Nationalist China, as well as such luminaries as Ngo Van Diem, Ferdinand Marcos, Fidel Castro, Manuel Noriega, The "Freedom fighting" Mujahideen, and Saddam Hussein.
Loyalty and fealty in U.S. foreign policy translates into one word: Israel.
As far as the rest, Lord Palmerston's maxim holds true: "There are no permanent alliances, just permanent interests."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/19/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 72 fans permalink

All of NATO has been sold out. Think of the new triumverate of Russia, Israel, and the US; all conservative and wearing heavy boots. The Gang of Three. All of Europe must be concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 09/19/2009
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 29 fans permalink

The title is entirely misleading. Vanessa Gera should know better. She quotes a couple of right wingers to support a Republican/war-industry talking point. KPBS gave a more balanced assessment of the reaction. It was an obsolete, expensive and unnecessary project.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 09/19/2009
- StJames I'm a Fan of StJames 115 fans permalink
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That old saw that Generals are always preparing for the last war is demonstrated here by the Czechs, Poles and Republicans. What I find comforting about the decision to change strategy is that Gates was a Bush appointment. He is proving to be the best Bush made. With all due respect to Colin Powell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 09/19/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Also what's important to note is the Russian announcement that it won't station Iskander missiles in Kalingrad. You'll remember this was the "tit for tat" reply to Former President Pan's missile shield.

One big difference with the Russian move. They actually have missiles. The missiles work. And those missiles would have been targeted at Western Europe.

The US bases in Europe were designed - so we are told - to target imaginary Iranian ICBMs.
While as good citizens we here are expected to be suitably afraid of Iran, I'm not sure that Iran would be targeting either the Czech Republic or Poland for a "first" strike. And thus the Czechs and Poles could be reasonably excused from that burden of fear. A condition not applying to the Iskanders in Kalingrad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 09/19/2009
- DanialThom I'm a Fan of DanialThom 4 fans permalink

Thats pretty naive. The Russian missile move was a bogus threat so that the wouldn't actually have to give anything as a concession. Its like the US telling the N Koreans that we're going to deploy nuclear missiles at the S Korean border if they don't abandon their nuke program. Then if they back off we say, ok, we won't put the missiles there. So we've effected the result we want without actually having to do anything, since we never intended to put the missiles there anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 09/19/2009
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