No Leader On Climate Change As Nations Prepare For Major Summit

nytimes.com:

UNITED NATIONS -- Economists point to powerhouse countries like India to illustrate the hurdles facing some 100 world leaders due to gather in New York this Tuesday for the highest level summit meeting on climate change ever convened.

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[OliverTwist]

There is a strategy for dealing with global warming that can be effectively furthered by climate change denial and by inaction.

The strategy might appeal to some wealthy and to some of those who consume the most resources and energy.

It can be implemented at low cost without obtaining popular consent by doing nothing except bulstering military defenses against reactions and it will make resources more available for future generations as well.

What could it be?

[fumes]

'What could it be?''

that's an easy one ollie: Keeling Windows!

[fumes]

soon.. we will be out of control of both the climate and the weather:

a trace gas is rapidly approaching it's Trace Gas Tipping Point (TGTP)

and there will be no turning back!

[liberalcynic]

Let's just hope that the money lobbyist have put to make this abstainance of action from occuring goes to some beneficial use.

[OliverTwist]

A fundamental problem is that some climate change deniers repeat the same discredited information over and over even after it has clearly been discredited. Those people are simply liars - bearers of false witness.

They are essentially sociopaths who enjoy making trouble and have no concern for the harm they may cause in the longer term.

The important thing is to recognize them by their patterns of behavior and then take steps to minimize the harm they do.

[marshhen]

So what do you say about this:

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

And this one?

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Aug_091.jpg

[OliverTwist]

The first one is arctic ice extent - arctic ice surface area - not arctic ice volume. The average arctic ice volume is decreasing dramatically. Even the extent is very slightly decreasing but that is not so evident yet.

Try this - search " Polar Ice Update " - or go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MozcU7woNNQ . You can also find more technical data about ice extent and volume of ice. Data on ice thickness does not go back as far as some other data but there is still quite a bit from the last twenty years or so.

The second is OK. Just get the rest of the data to see the effects more clearly.

It takes a while to get a freight train up to speed. In the same way it takes a while to heat the huge volume of the oceans.

Glad you are looking at the data. Just make sure to avoid the cherry picking that deniers often do by looking at all the related data from the best sources, reading all the way through the articles and using your head.

[OliverTwist]

FYI - Roy Spenser has a reputation as a climate change denier.

He has been referred to as the "official climatologist of the EIB Network" by Rush Limbaugh, who is the owner of the Excellence In Broadcasting network.

In 2008, Spencer published a book on climate change: Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor.

Spencer is listed as a member of the Heartland Institute and a contributor to the George C. Marshall Institute both right wing lobbying groups.

[So Calif Ind]

I'd like to know how they come up with a hundred year forecast on the temperature of the earth when they can't even get the 5 day forecast right.

[Lyr]

The truth is they can't. People are waking up to that thankfully.

[OliverTwist]

Read up on statistics. Then you will understand better.

[So Calif Ind]

Co2?

IF it is Co2 then I'll bet you someones thinking very seriously about population control.

[OliverTwist]

It is difficult to believe you are sincere.

Never-the-less, for the benefit of others who are sincere try this analysis.

If you adjust the thermostat setting for your house from 50 F to 80 F you can reasonably predict that the temperatures in your house will be raise on average from around 50 F to around 80 F, but you cannot predict any better than before the small variations of a few degrees that will occur because of the opening and closing of doors.

We can predict that there will be warming and cooling cycles associated with winter and summer but we cannot predict the day to day variations very easily.

There are many example.

Effective science - what is done by people who really want to make good things happen - is not based on clever rhetoric and willful mistakes.

[Forestwildcat]

The climate has been changing for millions of years and will continue to do so and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it

[Lyr]

"Far from suggesting the planet will get warmer, one of the world's leading climate modellers says the latest data indicates we could be in for a significant period of steady temperatures and possibly even a little global cooling."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/today/tomfeilden/2009/09/an_inconvenient_truth_about_gl.html

What's the rush to implement a political solution to a scientific question?

[Forestwildcat]

Money - Its about money

[Lyr]

Yup they want everybodys money. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/3323732/Carbon-trading-must-be-globally-regulated.html

[OliverTwist]

La Nina?

[marshhen]

How about lack of sunspots, have you checked the polar ice caps? they are growing.

[surlyatbest]

In order to obtain power what better way to do it than control the basic building block of nearly every living and non living thing on the planet? That building block is carbon.
The effort to convince the public that humans cause global warming is a con intended to enrich Al Gore and the global elite.

[Lyr]

Regulation of the basis of all life on this planet, that should tell you all you need to know. Bankers are at the center of this scam.

[So Calif Ind]

I thought it was GE and them owning the rights to the carbon credit.

[RagingLatka]

I'll do it

[slithers]

now they have to call it climate change because globe warming isn't actually taking place. it is not science, it is political science.

[OliverTwist]

They call it climate change so that the dumbo deniers don't cite the cold breeze from their refrigerator when the door is open as evidence that global warming is nonsense.

[slithers]

or the global climate drop.

[Lyr]

Wasn't global cooling all the rage at the U.N. in the seventies?

[OliverTwist]

Climate denial crock of the week - I love the 70s!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610#play/uploads/17/4nTw0KneNLg

[austin4]

To all those who think Climate change is fake.......stick around, you will be a believer soon enough

[surlyatbest]

First they called it Global Warming but that didn't sell. Now they call it Climate Change. Whatever it is called, it is a scam.

[OliverTwist]

You just don't know what you are talking about. Read the papers --- if you can.

[austin4]

There is a World Leader on Climate Change. That is Leader is name Mother Earth,,,,,when she speaks,, and she will, all will listen and Fear her wrath.

[fallingsky]

so we need to pick one out of 100 world leaders to take the lead on acknowledging that the climate changes?

[Lyr]

Guys regardless of what you believe about global warming, wether it's real or manmade or whatever, look at who is climbing to the top of the pile to control the trade of carbon credits. It's the biggest investment banks in the world. They are the ones that stand to gain from this. Wether global warming is real or not, if we enact a carbon credit trading system we will be paying the largest investment banks in the world to lower our standard of living.

[springbaby]

Yeap. And they do so by paying scientists to provide data that favorably supports their half truths. Corruption is everywhere.

[Lyr]

Goldman sachs and Rothchilds are the big winners in the global climate change racket.

[jwws007]

shut down china's economy with tariffs on their exports. that'll lower carbon emissions by a third

[Lyr]

And start a war. When goods don't cross borders armies do.

[jwws007]

it would be a short one