Conservatives Turn Their Sights On Health Care Reform's Most Obvious Provision

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First Posted: 09-22-09 05:18 PM   |   Updated: 09-22-09 05:43 PM

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Democrats are bracing themselves for a new line of conservative attack against a provision in the health care legislation once considered so non-controversial that it was endorsed by several major Republican officials.

On Tuesday, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) described the health care legislation being considered by the Senate Finance Committee as a "stunning assault on liberty" due to a provision that would require individuals to buy insurance.

Earlier in the week, the individual mandate also came under attack when Tim Phillips, who heads Americans for Prosperity, described it as an assault on individual liberty.

"When you have health care, that's a choice that impacts yourself," Phillips told MSNBC's Hardball. "Drivers' insurance impacts other drivers you may have accidents with."

The attacks have confounded Democrats in and out of government, who noted quickly that mandating coverage was, until recently, a relative given when it came to health care reform.

"It's f--ing ludicrous," said one health care reform activist, who noted that when Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) asked committee members to air their disagreements with an individual mandate during a meeting on May 5, no one chimed in.

Indeed, for months it was presumed that a relatively ironclad deal was in place: in exchange for the government mandating coverage, private insurance companies would agree to cover individuals with pre-existing conditions. The arrangement was all but blessed by prominent figures from within the GOP ranks. In mid-August, the ranking member of the finance committee, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), announced that the way to get universal coverage is "through an individual mandate."

"That's individual responsibility," the senator told Nightly Business Report. "And even Republicans believe in individual responsibility."

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Months earlier, Grassley told Fox News that there wasn't "anything wrong" with mandates even if some may view them "as an infringement upon individual freedom."

"But when it comes to states requiring it for automobile insurance the principle then ought to lie the same way for health insurance," Grassley added. "Because everybody has some health insurance cost and if you aren't insured there aren't free lunches."

Grassley wasn't alone. His fellow Republican Senator John Thune (R-S.D.) recently told reporters that while he was conflicted on a mandate, it was "something I guess that I would take a look at. There -- there are good arguments on behalf of getting everybody in the -- in the pool," he said. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney made an individual mandate a staple of the health care overhaul he pursued for his state. "For the uninsured who can afford insurance but expect to be given free care at the hospital, require them to either pay for their own care or buy insurance," he wrote in Newsweek.

Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, himself a doctor, told Fox Business Network that consumers should "be responsible to paying for" their insurance. If they can't afford it, he added, "there are going to be taxes, excise taxes, user taxes on companies like Aetna, on individuals."

Meanwhile, six current Republican Senators - Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Bob Bennett (Utah), Mike Crapo (Idaho), Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) - all have sponsored legislation (Sen. Ron Wyden's 2009 "Healthy Americans Act") that includes an individual mandate.

So why at this juncture has the individual mandate come under attack - enough to create concern within the Obama White House and Dems on the Hill? Health care reform advocates say that it is largely due to political opportunism on the part of Republicans. But sloppy legislating on the part of Democrats can also be blamed. Richard Kirsch, National Campaign Manager for Health Care for America Now, argued that the GOP clearly senses "a vulnerability for Democrats" on the topic. But the problem was that there were serious concerns that the legislation didn't include the subsidies needed to make mandated coverage more affordable -- a concern that even Barack Obama raised during the course of the Democratic primary, he noted.

"If you assume that the legislation will provide for affordable coverage for people than the individual mandate will not become a huge lightening rod," Kirsch said. "But if you are worried about federal spending levels and are therefore are not providing affordable coverage then it will become a political lightening rod."

Baucus (D-Mont.) has tried to remedy the situation by halving the penalty on families who decline to buy coverage and increasing the subsidies to those middle-class families purchasing insurance. But Kirsch insists that, without the ability to choose a government run option, consumers - and by extension the politicians who represent them - will turn sour on the mandate.

"We did a poll in Maine and in 91 swing House districts," said Kirsch. "We found that if we asked people if they supported a requirement to buy health insurance they said no. But if we said, 'Do you support a requirement coverage between private and public?' they said yes."

"Conservative democrats are going to be attacked from the right on the mandates but what makes the mandates popular is the public option."

Democrats are bracing themselves for a new line of conservative attack against a provision in the health care legislation once considered so non-controversial that it was endorsed by several major Rep...
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As a physician, and as a Medicare card holder, I'm finding this whole debate fascinating. Really, I think we are missing a basic fairness doctrine. Whatever is decided: government­-sponsored health care or NO government­-sponsored health care, it should be fair and equitable to all. After all, that is how it is in Finland and other countries that have decided in favor of government­-sponsored care. Only here in America do we have such a basically unfair system.

What's unfair? It is based on age. ALL people have the same right to health care, or privilege for health care. Age doesn't matter. Neither does gender, or race. Imagine: suppose there was only government­-sponsored health care for women of Finnish descent? What nonsense that would be.

And, why should a 66-year old get government­-sponsored health care, but not a 64-year old? Again: nonsense.

So, to be fair and ethically consistent, we either have to have some government­-sponsored health care, like Medicare, for all, or for none.

So, I'm in favor of EITHER: expand health care for all, or scrap Medicare.

P.S. Fellow Parents and grandparents on Medicare: How do you really feel about having health care at goverment expense when the same right/privilege isn't available to YOUR children or grandchildren?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 09/26/2009
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Thank you for that comment

*fanned* AND *faved* :)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 09/30/2009

Fibber McGee And Fibber Obama

"The President revealed a great deal about his philosophy of government and how he defines a tax increase. It turns out the President thinks a health-care [excise] tax is not a tax if he thinks the tax is for your own good."

When I was growing up in Farmington, CT, I used to listen to and naturally laugh out loud at Fibber McGee and Molly on the radio. Now, we have a new prime-time "Fibber," but lamentably watching and listening to president Obama is no laughing matter!
-- GreyHairan­dGreyMatte­r

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 09/24/2009

"When you have health care, that's a choice that impacts yourself," Phillips told MSNBC's Hardball. "Drivers' insurance impacts other drivers you may have accidents with."

If you have an infectious disease you could impact everyone you come into contact with. If you have any form of ill health you are likely to impact on your dependants, your employer and your work colleagues, as a minimum, and you will impact on the wider economy. The ignorance of Phillips statement is astounding.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/23/2009

why did dems vote down a proposal today to make the final bill public 72 hours before vote?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 09/23/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 205 fans permalink
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Well, Sen. Conrad read off a representative piece of the legislation that was so arcane, laced with technical, legal jargon, that it would realistically be incomprehensible to just about everyone.

The suggestion, made by a Republican, was just another stunt in their bag of obstruction and delay tricks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 09/24/2009
- Jayk4444 I'm a Fan of Jayk4444 12 fans permalink

Your suggestion that it would be incomprehensible to about everyone, there are people that can read and understand legislation. I deal with legalese daily and have read many bills. In the interest of transparency and in doing what is right for the country, sharing information and honesty will lead to true reform.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 09/30/2009

A health coverage mandate is a tax, and as such, should be in an amount determined by federal tax law, not by private businesses. The U.S. constitution, in fact, requires this.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/23/2009

Looks like they are eating themselves. I hope they implode.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 09/23/2009
- boredwell I'm a Fan of boredwell 7 fans permalink
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Buying health insurance, whether provided by an employer or purchased independently, is costly. The former limits choice between HMO/PPO. The latter involves cherry picking between higher unsustainable deductibles and copays. Both "options" provide less than comprehensive coverage because they are chosen to blend with rather than break monthly budgets. Subsidies will be needed in order for the currently un-or under-insured to afford the mandate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 09/23/2009
- HST I'm a Fan of HST 48 fans permalink
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Wow who didn't see this coming. Next up, the "deficit neutral" bill is going to raise taxes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 09/23/2009

Things rarely ever need to be as complicated as they are. All these politicians talking about how afraid they are of socialism and marxism and naziism and every other -ism out there is just ridiculous. The simple truth is that the republican party will never go along with any democratic bill put forward. It is not because of any fundamental disagreements. They just do not want the other party to be successful. This is because it will ensure they keep losing at the polls. This is why the term "career politician" is the worst thing for our liberty and our freedom. Because politicians do not care about the well being of the population. They only care about getting elected. This is why term limits should be imposed. It will not allow for a politician to become so entrenched in the corruption and greed that is so commonplace in DC.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/23/2009
- foxisms I'm a Fan of foxisms 81 fans permalink
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The Republican party will do anything, flip-flop, reverse their previous stands, delay and filibuster in order to secure the momentum to make certain the Dems (and Obama in particular) do not get a win on HCR. It doesn't get any simpler than this. And now they are desperate enough to make the kind of moves to this affect that are painfully evident and obvious. It's called "throwing sand in the gears".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 09/23/2009
- Ron1951 I'm a Fan of Ron1951 9 fans permalink
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Anything to fight Obama. These people will contradict themselves if that is what they think it takes to make Health Care Obama's Waterloo. Do they even care about the legislation as anything other than a political machination?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 09/23/2009
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RE: "When you have health care, that's a choice that impacts yourself," Phillips told MSNBC's Hardball. "Drivers' insurance impacts other drivers you may have accidents with."
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OK then, when YOU get sick Mr. Phillips (w/o gov't mandated health insurance) or you get into an accident somewhere that incapacitates you, then do NOT expect any help from that Gov't or the Private Health Care industry who does NOT insure you (by YOUR choice).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 09/23/2009
- Taiyo I'm a Fan of Taiyo 39 fans permalink
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Exactly! When someone without insurance gets in an accident or contracts an illness, it's the taxpayer that picks up the tab.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 09/23/2009
- TWhitley I'm a Fan of TWhitley 8 fans permalink

Also, when you contract a communicable illness that was avoidable or curable through health care that you did receive due to lack of insurance, THAT impacts others you may come into contact with.

The parallel is complete.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 09/23/2009
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Requiring individuals to purchase health insurance isn't really like requiring auto insurance, but it IS like requiring drivers to wear seat belts: the government often has to cover the costs of those involved in accidents who were not wearing seat belts, and it is clear that wearing selt belts reduces the severity of the injuries, and therefore the cost to government (which of course, is paid by taxpayers). The individual mandate is about both individual respsonsiblity, and about the overall cost to society. Should taxpayers have to bear the cost of treatment for someone who gambles that they will not need medical coverage and therefore chooses not to buy insurance, but then is in an accident or develops a serious illness, and expects to receive treatment, paid for by the government­/taxpayers­?

But of course, the mandate has to be reasonably priced to be affordable. Even Baucus' revised 12% (of income) cap is unreasonable for many in our country. especially once the cost of co-pays is included in total medical expenditures.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 09/23/2009
- LeoTheDog I'm a Fan of LeoTheDog 7 fans permalink

Excellent point, Jan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 09/23/2009

I thought the world had a restraining order against Tim Phillips.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/23/2009
- codycap I'm a Fan of codycap 51 fans permalink

I keep seeing where people say we need Snowe to bring the blue dogs and dino’s on board. To give them cover. How will her coming on board change my blue dog Boren here in Oklahoma? I’m sure he cares less on how she votes.

Republicans are not the problem. Why waste time on them. Everyone knows they are united in wanting us to fail.

We have the majority in name in both houses. Should be able to get single payer without a sweat. The problem is that the democrats have been fooled into thinking they are in the majority.

They are not. We sold our party to the devil by coddling democrats in name only (dino's) into our caucuses.

Republicans + dino's = a republican majority.

Dino's is where all of our efforts should be if we hope to pass anything. Republicans are a complete waste of time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 09/23/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 205 fans permalink
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The real "devil" is the insurance lobby and, more generally, the ability of special interests (corporations) to buy votes in Congress with huge contributions to their political campaigns.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 09/24/2009
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