Dems Re-Defund ACORN In Latest Bill

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First Posted: 09-25-09 11:53 AM   |   Updated: 11-25-09 05:12 AM

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In an apparent attempt to deprive the GOP of a club to beat them with, House Democrats have re-defunded ACORN in a resolution that hits the House floor Friday. The bill, a continuing resolution, funds the federal government through October 31st.

"None of the funds made available by this joint resolution or any prior Act may be provided to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN ), or any of its affiliates, subsidiaries, or allied organizations," reads section 163 in HR 2918.

No money would have been available to ACORN, a community organizing group, in the resolution anyway. A GOP aide noted, however, that including the language doesn't prevent House Republicans from offering repetitive amendments or motions that would also re-re-defund ACORN. They will also continue to demand a vote on a stand-alone bill to defund the group and make as much noise about it as possible, he added.

The GOP, despite the Democratic appeasement, has no intention of letting up on ACORN. "Particularly given what Chairman [Barney] Frank said on television the night before last, and the vote last week, I think you're going to continue to see House Republicans and many Democrats seize every opportunity to deny funding to this discredited organization," Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), a conservative GOP leader.

Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) has argued that the bill is a "bill of attainder," which is specifically barred by the Constitution. No bill can specifically target an individual or a single organization for punishment, a clause inserted into the Constitution by the founders who had been so targeted by the British parliament.

"The constitution prohibits Congress from passing a bill of attainder," Nader said on the House floor Friday. "A bill that no matter what its form punishes an unnamed individual or an easily ascertainable people. Last week to the great shame of this House, we passed a bill of attainder, a bill stating that no federal funds should go through a specifically named organization, ACORN. Now, in this conference report, we are about to do it again, and why?

"Because of a desire to punish ACORN. And yet as ACORN's lawyer wrote to us recently, this is, quote, to my research unprecedented in congressional history. Never before has one corporation or entity has been the subject of such broad-reaching punishment by congressional mandate. The punishment here did not follow some criminal or administrative process to basic due process protections. It flowed out of a Fox-News-Network-report-led call for a public lynching. There was no statement of charges and no reference to a judicial or administrative finding of wrongdoing by ACORN. All that occurred was a member of congress making a motion supported with a speech full of negative and largely inaccurate observations about ACORN followed by a vote. And the fact is ACORN has never been convicted of anything. Lots of charges. So far no proof in any court or administrative proceeding. But some charges may be true. And they may or may not, I think not, and that's a personal opinion, indicates malfeasance.

"But that's why we have courts and administrative agencies and congressional investigating committees. It may be that ACORN is guilty of various infractions. And if so it ought to be vetted or sanctioned by the appropriate administrative agency or by the judiciary. But Congress must not be in the business of punishing individual organizations or people without trial. And that is what the provision in this conference report does. It prohibits any federal funds from going to ACORN for any purpose. Clearly is a punishment for alleged misdeeds.

"This is a classic bill of attainder, and as such it's flatly prohibited by the Constitution. We must not ignore the Constitution. Whatever one may think of the subject matter or the organization, the Constitution and the ban on bills of attainder are there for the protection of all our liberties and we ignore the constitutional provisions at our peril. This bill of attainder should not be in this conference report. I will, therefore, vote against the conference report. I thank you and yield back the balance of my time."

The Congressional Research Service produced a report this week that backed Nadler up. But Pence called the argument, in his opinion, "a bit of a stretch."

Appropriations Committee chair Dave Obey (D-Wisc.) declined to comment.


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In an apparent attempt to deprive the GOP of a club to beat them with, House Democrats have re-defunded ACORN in a resolution that hits the House floor Friday. The bill, a continuing resolution, funds...
In an apparent attempt to deprive the GOP of a club to beat them with, House Democrats have re-defunded ACORN in a resolution that hits the House floor Friday. The bill, a continuing resolution, funds...
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acorn is just the tip of the iceberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXIwmu8l0U

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 09/28/2009
- hotwire I'm a Fan of hotwire 22 fans permalink

Now all of a sudden, "we must not ignore the Constitution". What a laugh. Everyone with an "R" or "D" after their name has been ignoring the Constitution since WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 09/27/2009
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It's about time! An inch of spine is better than none. The defunding can be debated after the defunding of Blackwater, multiple military contractors, Halliburton, many 'faith-based' recipients of public funds, bailed out economy-destroyers from corporate America, and anti-choice fake clinics. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 09/27/2009
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They should make sure the ethics committee gets involved also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 09/27/2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDxm--DyavI

this shows the real story about Acorn, from Rachel Maddow, my hero in this insanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/27/2009
- SolarArray I'm a Fan of SolarArray 14 fans permalink
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I watched Rachel dissecting this craziness.
Now the government has to defund all the other contractors as well. If they don't you might as well throw away any semblance of right and wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 09/27/2009
- Hopeington I'm a Fan of Hopeington 119 fans permalink
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The Supreme Court may just throw it away for us if they rule in favor of corporations as individuals that are entitled to free speech in elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 09/27/2009
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RM? Ha ha ha ha That's just way to funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 09/27/2009
- SolarArray I'm a Fan of SolarArray 14 fans permalink
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So you are against intellectualism?

"Way to funny"... What does that mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 09/27/2009
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This is F~ing Wrong !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/27/2009
- zanzig I'm a Fan of zanzig 39 fans permalink

If it is a Bill of Attainder, then it is an unlawful Bill and CANNOT be given effect knowingly. How do they propose to get around that? Every single person who now acts on it is knowingly committing a crime. The next budget office clerk who does not provide funds that were already due to ACORN (if any) is acting on an illegal basis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 09/27/2009
- DinkSinger I'm a Fan of DinkSinger 11 fans permalink

It is not at all clear that it is a bill of attainder. A bill of attainder is one that imposes a criminal penalty. It is very doubtful that ineligibility for government contracts is a criminal penalty. If it is, no individual or corporation can ever be suspended from doing business with the government without the suspension being part of a sentence imposed by a judge after a criminal conviction.

It may however be an unconstitutional violation of Acorn's due process rights which apply to administrative as well as judicial proceedings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/27/2009
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Efforts to legislate punishments for ACORN are further evidence that America has degenerated into a nation ruled by priviledge and prejudice rather than by law.

It is tragic that Democratic leaders including the president do not have the integrity to stand up for the rights of individuals and even companies for due process.

Nothing else can be expected from the Republicans. Mob rule and special favors for the select few are stand procedure for them.

Too bad.

Now, if the Attorney General would just seek to enforce the law against torture, kidnapping and other war crimes, rather than grant the likely perpetrators special exemption from investigation and legal prosecution because they are well connected we might actually have a significant example of equal justice for all under the law to guide us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 09/27/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 26 fans permalink
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So you are saying that is ok for this organization to take what it can, because other groups have not been punished in your eyes.
Seems to me that you have an old axe to grind and are not willing to see anything until you get to bury it somewhere.
Come back to 2009 we got enough current problems and to not need to keep trying to have the past fixed while we lose sight of the present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 09/28/2009
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Efforts to legislate punishments for ACORN are further evidence that America has degenerated into a nation ruled by priviledge and prejudice rather than by law.

It is tragic that Democratic leaders including the president do not have the integrity to stand up for the rights of individuals and even companies for due process.

Nothing else can be expected from the Republicans. Mob rule and special favors for the select few are stand procedure for them.

Too bad.

Now, if the Attorney General would just bills of attainer and seek to enforce the law against torture, kidnapping and other war crimes, rather than grant the likely perpetrators special exemption from investigation and legal prosecution because they are well connected we might actually have an example of justice under the law to guide us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 09/27/2009
- mcole I'm a Fan of mcole 5 fans permalink

who are these moderates?? and how do we get rid of them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 09/27/2009
- TheShadow I'm a Fan of TheShadow 12 fans permalink

So Haliburton,and Blackwater (or whatever they call themselves today) are to be defunded next,...right?

Right??

Anyone?...Yes??

chirp, chirp, chirp... chirp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 09/26/2009
- EvoMan I'm a Fan of EvoMan 30 fans permalink

Another example of stupid politics and also stupid knowledge of the Constitution. This is a Bill of Attainder. Can we please have some Democrats with guts? Please? Please????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 09/27/2009
- OldHick I'm a Fan of OldHick 6 fans permalink
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hat is amazing is it took some college people to expose this. Investigative journalism is all but dead - cameras everywhere and people generally see nothing of relevance. Hopefully more people will follow this courageous example and do more of this. My God, there is a lot of corruption out there. Anyone see it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 09/26/2009
- noaxe397 I'm a Fan of noaxe397 141 fans permalink

Let's start with Wall Street, K Strret and the RNC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 09/26/2009
- EvoMan I'm a Fan of EvoMan 30 fans permalink

I'm pretty sure when two white people show up dressed like Huggie Bear and a ho, no one really took them seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 09/27/2009

Apparently in at least a couple of places the staff called the police after they left. Given all of the laws allowing concealed weapons pushed on the public by the right wingers, I think that anyone would be crazy to try to do something while the couple was in their office. Howver I note that Fox and the rest just happen to avoid going down that road.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/27/2009
- Hopeington I'm a Fan of Hopeington 119 fans permalink
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The 2 nincompoops broke the law, they are being sued. You think more nincompoops should go out there and lie and break the law? Do you think Hannity's going to call for donations every time some one does this and needs to get bailed out or hire an attorney?
ACORN did nothing wrong. 2 employees did something foolish perhaps, but no services were rendered and no papers were filed. No crime was committed.
What's so amazing is everyone's rush to judgment. If you really cared about corruption and wasting money you would be going after the big corporations, until you do, you can only be seen as having a personal agenda and not a real care for crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 AM on 09/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 137 fans permalink
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It is unfortunately all too easy to find corruptable individuals in any large company or organization. Our penchant for greed and avarice can override our good sense and work ethics. In this case, these "investigators" shopped several offices until they managed to find people who would prove the meme they wanted to put forth. They did not find corruption and then report it. They wanted to find corruption and purposefully set out to create it, and then report it. We were not supposed to appreciate that they created the corruption that they allegedly were "exposing." We citizens are not that gullible. At least, I hope not. But the desire for political cover on our Reps' part had them distancing themselves with passage of these most likely unconstitutional Bills as remedy for trumped up crimes (that would not have existed without the theatre of the reporters/investigators). ACORN, on the whole, has been a positive influence as to improving the lives of those living in poverty and empowering people by their vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/27/2009
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Fortunately this will bring much more attention to it than ACORN ever wanted.

Way to go ACORN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/27/2009
- Watain I'm a Fan of Watain 18 fans permalink
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ACORN corn never did anything wrong. They were just trying to help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 09/26/2009
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You call that helping? You agree with advice like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 09/27/2009
- hollyhund I'm a Fan of hollyhund 25 fans permalink
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Did anyone see Rachel Maddow Friday night? She did it again!
The so called reason for defunding ACORN is possible fraud charges. She named proven and pending cases of fraud in the case of war/defense industries and Congress rewarded them with larger contracts. Lockheed Martin,KBR, Blackwater to name a few. ACORN needs investigating she said but these are proven cases! With KBR, 16 US servicemen died, executed from shoddy plumbing! Hookers/pimp allegations...proven/pending cases of contractors running white slavery rings in Kosevia and in the lates Afghan investgation. Her point and mine....ACORN contract is 65K over 10 years for the work they do...KBR got that much per day!!! INVESTGATE AND DEFUND THEM ALL if found guilty!!!!
Rachel is still digging and asking questions...we all should be doing the same!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 09/26/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

Good, glad someone that has the resources to go after KBR, Blackwater and other mercenary organizations is doing so. If we can get those mercenaries defunded we can save a ton of $$$

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 09/26/2009

Not the least would also be MONEY to fund various projects FOR THE PEOPLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 09/26/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 09/26/2009
- dct1999 I'm a Fan of dct1999 422 fans permalink
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democrats = spinelesscowards who will never be as tough as republicans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 09/26/2009
- noaxe397 I'm a Fan of noaxe397 141 fans permalink

Correct. And that is why GOP will take back Congress and WH in 2012. Perception is everything. How do you think Bush got elected twice? Dems don't get it, never will and will only gain majority when Republicans screw up so badly they in effect punt it over to Dems.
Democrats are who caretakes the government in the intermission when the Republicans are re-formulating their game plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 09/26/2009
- TheCommons I'm a Fan of TheCommons 15 fans permalink

That would be the game plan to drive this country into third world status, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 09/27/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 137 fans permalink
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republicans = spineless cowards who will never be as effective as democrats


Nearly every good program our Nation enjoys was brought in by the Dems--social security, medicare, food stamps, etc. You do not see the GOP trying to rip these beloved programs from the hands of their base and/or supporters because it would be political sui.cide to do so. While GOP voters claim to not agree with our positions, programs and/or answers, they nevertheless appreciate, cling to, avail themselves of, and/or expect to receive from the largess of our programs (and God help anyone who tries to prevent them from their due). It is definitely a hypo.critical stance on the part of GOP voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 09/27/2009
- noaxe397 I'm a Fan of noaxe397 141 fans permalink

I've said for a long time that Republicans are the new welfare class in this country, as you describe here. They want government services (like armies on the march, fortified borders, protection at home from terrorists) but they don't want to pay for it.

Getting something of consideration without paying for it is welfare.

Not only do they want lower taxes, they actually want their tax money BACK. They say it is "owed" to them. They conveniently overlook the fact that they have received government services for their tax dollars and think they are entitled to free services or letting someone else pay.

It is another sign of the incompetence of Democrats that they cannot make the simple case that with rights comes responsibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 09/28/2009
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