Gaddafi, Chavez Strengthen Ties To Challenge "Imperialism" Of Wealthy Nations

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FABIOLA SANCHEZ | 09/28/09 10:41 PM | AP

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PORLAMAR, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi signed a declaration Monday night decrying what they call attempts by powerful Western countries to equate struggles against colonialism with terrorism.

In the declaration, Venezuela and Libya "reject intentions to link the legitimate struggle of the people for liberty and self-determination" with terrorism, but also adds that they "reiterate the importance of countering terrorism in all its forms."

Neither of the two leaders commented publicly on the document. It does not specifically name any Western country, but Gadhafi mentioned both the United States and Britain during a speech after the signing.

During many of his 40 years in power, Gadhafi was accused of harboring terrorists and hosting militant training camps while sponsoring terrorist attacks. But the Libyan leader has taken steps in recent years to mend relations with the West, and says his government renounces terrorism and rejects being labeled as a sponsor of terrorist acts.

Chavez, meanwhile, has been accused by Colombia and the United States of supporting the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, which has been seeking to overthrow governments in Bogota for 45 years.

The Venezuelan leader denies aiding the FARC. He claims the United States is using Colombia as part of a broader plan to portray him as a supporter of terrorist groups to provide justification for a U.S. military invasion of Venezuela.

Cheered on by hundreds of supporters at a rally held for the signing, Chavez praised Gadhafi, comparing him to Venezuela's most revered founding father – 19th century independence hero Simon Bolivar. He presented his guest with a gold-plated replica of a sword that once belonged to Bolivar.

"I'm not exaggerating at all. What Simon Bolivar is for the Venezuelan people, Moammar Gadhafi is for the Libyan people. He's the Liberator of Libya," Chavez said, prompting applause from the crowd gathered in Porlamar, a Caribbean resort city.

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"This is a great honor that I have received," Gadhafi said through an interpreter.

Chavez and Gadhafi are strengthening their relationship and finding common ground in their efforts to challenge what they contend is the "imperialism" of wealthy nations and to take on the role of spokesmen for poor nations. Before the rally in Porlamar, they led a weekend summit where South American and African leaders pledged to deepen links between their continents.

Gadhafi, who is making his first visit to Latin America, said at the summit that the two regions should unite to wield more influence and form a defense alliance, a "NATO for the South" – calling it "SATO."

"Those who were betting on NATO, we now say to them that we're going to bet on SATO," Gadhafi said during the summit. "We're going to have our treaty, too."

Chavez, a former army paratroop commander, says the United States poses the greatest potential threat to Venezuela and has raised the idea of a South Atlantic defense bloc with other allies in the past.

"South-South" cooperation was a buzzword at the summit, which brought together the African Union and the South American bloc Unasur.

Gadhafi, who has ruled Libya since he seized power in a 1969 coup, has sought a higher profile internationally in recent years and is currently chairman of the African Union.

During his speech at the rally Monday night, he criticized the "imperialism" of some wealthy countries, singling out the United States and Britain, and he repeated his denunciation of last week calling the U.N. Security Council an elite club where nations such as Libya have no voice.

"They do not give any importance to the (U.N.) General Assembly," Gadhafi said. They think they are above all the nations of the world."

Gadhafi also condemned the war in Afghanistan, predicting a defeat for NATO forces.

"Now they are waging wars in Afghanistan. We are totally against terrorism, without any doubt," he said. "Are they going to conquer in Afghanistan? It's impossible. Until the Day of Reckoning, they will never conquer."

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What Chavez thinks of free expression:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jOIjsAFfo5s75Xhx3Smxe_U2mhEAD9AU2MIO4

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan authorities plan to impose fines on cable television companies that refuse to stop airing the animated television series "Family Guy."

Justice Minister Tareck El Aissami says the program should be pulled from the airwaves because it promotes the use of marijuana.

El Aissami was outraged by a recent episode in which the show's characters started a campaign to legalize marijuana.

He said Thursday that cable networks that broadcast "Family Guy" would be fined by Venezuela's telecommunications regulator if they refuse to dump the program.

The government of President Hugo Chavez is preparing to impose new regulations on cable television. Among other rules, cable providers could be forced to carry Chavez's frequent speeches.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 09/29/2009
- JiminNC I'm a Fan of JiminNC 268 fans permalink
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What a nice couple ...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 09/29/2009

Bird of the same feather..40 years in power..and another who want to stay for life...we don't need this type of people..Africa is poorer because of such people who stays in power and don't want to go...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 09/28/2009
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From the Article: "Chavez, a former army paratroop commander, says the United States poses the greatest potential threat to Venezuela and has raised the idea of a South Atlantic defense bloc with other allies in the past." - FABIOLA SANCHEZ | 09/28/09 10:41 PM | AP

I have to ask if Chavez has called the United States the greatest potential threat to Venezuela since President Obama was elected. They had a rather friendly meeting, so I doubt that this information is up to date.

There is a world of difference between Bush and Obama, so bringing up the rhetoric Chavez used regarding the US under Bush, who tried to topple Chavez in a coup, BTW, is a disservice to international diplomacy and misinforms readers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 09/28/2009
- Wisdo I'm a Fan of Wisdo 42 fans permalink

The Coups are continuing under Obama Im afraid.

Latin American governments have condemned the Honduran coup and called for Zelaya’s reinstatement. But Obama and Secretary of State Clinton opted to condemn only unspecified “violence” and called for “negotiations” between the coup-plotters and exiled President.

Even after the UN General Assembly demanded Zelaya’s reinstatement, Obama refused to call it a coup. After all, that classification would have led to a suspension of $80 million in annual US military and economic aid.

Every country in the OAS – except the US – withdrew its Ambassador. Instead, the US embassy began to negotiate with the Junta. Whether Zelaya returns to office or not, the coup serves as a lesson to any other country that considers joining Venezuelan-led economic programs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 09/29/2009
- KinkyGirl I'm a Fan of KinkyGirl 9 fans permalink
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This is what happens when you think you're the smartest d*i*c*k in the room and disregard everybody else. African and Latinamerican countries have just had a summit (the second one in three years) where they sat down and talked. If the north won't listen, they won't loose sleep over it. They'll get together and try to find ways to get ahead. WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION. We won't get anywhere by focusing only on how cute our presidential couple is and how smart they look while vacationing in Europe. Just saying.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 09/28/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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The North? African and Latin American? You mean Chavez and his minions plus Gadaffi and his possy had meetings. Thanks for putting all us brown and black people in a smiple easy to digest bag. Let me break it to you, Latin America and Africa cannot agree or figure out anything within their own regions. That some oil barons take the "leadership" to stick it to America while flirting with Russia and China is no great achievement for the people of either continent.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 09/28/2009
- KinkyGirl I'm a Fan of KinkyGirl 9 fans permalink
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You need to read more.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 09/28/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 51 fans permalink
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Oh, gosh, you mean we should pay attention to things rather than talk about cutsie photo ops of the first family? Noooo, never. We are still on the honeymoon.

Personally I hope latin and african nations can forge some union to present a viable force against western cultural and economic imperialism.

Fanned

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 09/29/2009

Well, I'm sure the very first thing the leader's of Africa and South America can do is refuse all foreign aid and assistance. Enough imperialistic interference! Being from one of those "imperialistic" nations I get a little ill seeing how the trillion's dumped into these countries has been totally wasted.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 09/28/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 27 fans permalink

I am a big supporter of Barak Obama and want him to keep his promise to reach out to enemies and so called enemies. Chavez never should of been a enemy this happened because of a V.P. who took over foreign policy and belong in a mental institution. Chavez said he wanted to socialize the country to help the poor and that included the oil. Instead of saying great idea and how can we help you to build a better system and help the poor Bush Cheny decides to make him public enemy and lost all oil contracts. Russia sells Chavez over a billion dollars in arms and receives oil contracts and we have a enemy that was NEVER one to begin with.

We must reach out today Barak Obama wanted to with Chavez and the Republicans tore him up. Wake up Mr. Pres we do not want the same old way and you made a speech that you would reach out to our so called enmies bo DOOOOOOO IT.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 09/28/2009
- thrdr I'm a Fan of thrdr 36 fans permalink
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Seconded.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 09/29/2009

Do you realize that most of our aid is military assistance designed to further our political objectives? Also, do you realize that Israel receives a disproportionately large percentage of our foreign aid? Do you realize that there simply isn't trillions of dollars of American aid to Africa? Do you realize that Western Countries have raped the riches of African for centuries and built their empires on African wealth? America and Europe played a destructive role in Africa for centuries and any aid returned to that continent is long overdue.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 09/28/2009
- thrdr I'm a Fan of thrdr 36 fans permalink
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Seconded also (sorry tired and recharging though I'd normally have more to say).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 09/29/2009

Over a trillion has been sent to Africa since the 1950's and there is little to show from it. It's been a mix of military, material, technology transfers, medicines, and humanitarian aid (food). Research it. While I completely agree that the Western world still owes Africa much for past misdeeds, I find it very ironic one of the most celebrated spokesman representing Africa comes from a race of people that invaded and took Northern Africa away from indingenous African peoples. That would be the "King of Kings" and he comes of Arab stock. Some Arab countries still had legal slavery up until the 1960's. Interesting. So, do not look only West when you speak of the mistreatment of Africa. Finally, the leaders of Africa and South America that denounce only the people of the West are not serving their people well by spitting in the faces of those that do wish to improve the conditions in their countries.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 09/29/2009

The South shall Rise!
(its inevitable­....nothin­g stays the same).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/28/2009
- dteg I'm a Fan of dteg 25 fans permalink
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I was disappointed as usual in the MSM coverage in the USA. They focused so much on theatrics of throwing papers and whether there would be a tent at Gadaffi's location. There was very little reporting on his views and plans for the middle east region and Africa.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 09/28/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

Spot on...MSM circus as usual. Try to disregard the drama portion and listen on You-tube to his entire speech he delivered at the UNGA. Always good to occasionally listen to those one may frequently disagree with especially "a Speech" about involving world affairs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/28/2009
- FHTB I'm a Fan of FHTB 71 fans permalink
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You seriously believe the crazy speech he gave makes him a legitimate spokesperson for his continent, as does Chavez...two egotistical nuts parading and preening...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 09/29/2009

This is good news.

The usual line of thought is that whenever America is not at the core of any economic bileteral arrangement it must be devious. America is not the axis on which the world turns. Get over it as there are many more of these to come - so just learn to live with new innovative developments that are of benefit to other countries.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 09/28/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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Sure, the "King of Kings" and the great leader of the "Revolucion Bolivariana" has to be a great developmen­t.....they are going to bring inovations on megalomania, new methods to centralize power...and of course, how to continue feeding the world's oil addiction to ensure their personal bank accounts never stop growing. The Lybian "development" has been going on since 1969 and the Venezuelan just had his ten year anniversary.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 09/28/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

Watchout for the largest mosque ever built in South America and in Venezuela named after Qhaddafi. It is obvious that he cares and will look out for his religion in every place he goes/ visits. Presid. Museveni of Uganda a very close friend of Qhadafi's just built and named the largest mosque ever in Sub-Saharan Africa called Qhaddafi Mosque in Kampala city, Uganda, East Africa. I think there are three races running concurrently 1) Economic 2) Nuclear 3) Religion esp. Islam.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 09/28/2009
- alexa07 I'm a Fan of alexa07 50 fans permalink

I could not agree with you more, Doris. Many nations are just beginning to form their own blocs of mutual interest, rather than accepting what the status quo, vested interests dictate. The 21st century will see whole groups of nations in Africa, So. America, the Middle East reach out to each other as well as to the EU & China as partners, not client states. All the while, we Americans still prefer to send in the military with guns, bombs, drones. Not smart. Not pragmatic. Won't work in the 21st century. The Chinese are building roads, infrastructure; EU trading deals; what are we doing? Bombing families in their own homes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/28/2009
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Sorry, I mean Dorian!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 09/28/2009
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"The Libyan and Venezuelan leaders were expected to meet one-on-one on Monday, although no public events were announced."

That's because, after the meeting, they were invited for drinks by fellow wackadoo ... Representative Michele Bachmann.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 09/28/2009
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What really really beautiful about America is that Ghadafi, Iran's leader and many more..come to New York free and breezy ....without the imminent threat of being assassinated , they enjoy our freedoms and then deny them to other people in their own country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/28/2009
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it is not beautiful, it is ironic that they are afforded more freedom than average Americans

freedom is relative, in most the world it is interrelated with wealth. if you think you are free here you haven't traveled enough

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 09/28/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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He was talking about the freedom of Lybians, who are truly oppressed. Not the freedoms of Americans, who don't value what they have. Freedom is indeed relative, and I don't know where you have traveled that you came back thinking American is not a free country. I was born below the Equator, I've lived accross the pond, I've seen the sun rising from the East Sea many times and I would not live anywhre else. I would love to hear about these freedom you found overseas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/28/2009

Scroll forward to the near future when Iran has nuclear weapons and gives them to his allies in Libya and Venezuela.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 09/28/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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Some from the fringe will love that, after all if we have them then its their "right" to have them too. Consequences to those "rights"? They will think about them later.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 09/28/2009
- gbrooks I'm a Fan of gbrooks 69 fans permalink
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I'm so tired of all this garbage. The whole world hates us for our constant interference and manipulations.

Hate him if you want, but when Gaddafi said: "They say they face terrorism. They're terrified. ... But they themselves have created the phenomenon."

He is absolutely right, and we're continuing to do this.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 09/28/2009
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He is right on that for sure. Our policy of do as we say not as we do helped create this terror movement, that and some fanatics who use our hypcrocicy as an excuse to further their own ambitions.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/28/2009

i agree with you sir...America hypocrisy have shown in many ways.. what they talk in public is not what they do.. we can see it all now..they don't like diplomacy like of the current president because it make the white to think of their failure for many years of command to other countries... what make me sick is that some people really never read the sign of where the world is going...last 8 years is something not to remember..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 09/29/2009
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I hate to tell you, the nuts who want to destroy us would find some excuse to kill and destroy even if we didn't offend their overly sensitive religious sensibilities or the fact that we have the gall to build bases in their holy territories. No, to make the ridiculous assumption that somehow we DESERVE the attacks brought upon us by crazed, amoralistic loons is deeply offensive...I am sure the families of victims in Bali, Kenya, England, Spain, NYC, DC and Pennsylvania and other locales would take deep exception to your comments, as well they should.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 09/29/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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Let's see, another one who thinks the world started in 1776. People like Gadaffi have always existed, riding in the waves of populism while crushing anyone who dares to oppose him at home.
They say things that they feel will bring them under a good light internationally while doing the exact opposite regionally and domestically.

While people like you cry about interference and manipulations, countries like China and Russia move into the regions where American influence is on a decline. Venezuela has just spend 2 Billion dollars in weaponry from Russia. China has been feeding its booming economy by investing massively in mineral exploitation in Africa. The game is changing not because these developing countries are becoming developed nations, they will continue being third world countries led by power hungry populists, the difference is that instead of calling America their daddy they will be smooching with someone esle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 09/28/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

Everything you said is spot on except for the "daddy" and "smooching" aspects...LOL!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 09/28/2009
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Hugo coward Chavez is an enemy of US regardless of who is in power..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 09/28/2009
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I am sitting here taking a break for a minute...
and reading this article...

and I am remembering a few years ago, wondering why they don't run pipelines through Africa...d­ouble/trip­le/quadrup­le pipelines...all at once (maximum results from the labour)...to carry oil/water/­electricty­/as a travel corridor...some sort of mini-train inside one of the tunnels...for safe transport of goods and people)

what else could they do to produce jobs in the desert...

I would have to study sand...I guess.

creating nature oasis...to study desert life/savanah and jungle...and their effect on our lives...their uses...their medicinal and healing qualities...(like zoos or wildlife reserves...but they have those already also)

creating domes where they could grow plants and sustain farm animals in a healthier environment...to provide work and nutrition within towns in desert regions...

Mineral production and distribution
is the problem ease of transport?
is the problem safety of transport?
is the mineral more costly to extract at African mines...do the mines work with Rio Tinto, for example?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/28/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

The problem lies in the various Corporate vested interests in African or the scramble for minerals, land and oil.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 09/28/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

BTW...Corporate vested interests from all over i.e., Arabia, Asia (esp China & India), Europe, Australia, Russia and US.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 09/28/2009
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