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First Posted: 09-28-09 02:08 PM   |   Updated: 09-28-09 04:27 PM

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A keystone of Obama's Wall Street reform agenda is getting support from the unlikeliest of corners. Alan Greenspan, an acolyte of Ayn Rand and extreme free-marketeer, is backing one of the most far-reaching elements of the financial overhaul: the Consumer Financial Protection Agency.

Greenspan told the Washington Post that pushing for the CFPA was "probably the right decision." Given the former Fed chairman's penchant for obliquity, the straight-forward endorsement takes on greater weight.

Wall Street and community bankers argue that the proposed agency will restrict financial innovation and otherwise inhibit economic growth. Those are the types of arguments that Greenspan was prone to make during his tenure as chairman, but the financial crisis has persuaded Greenspan that the "intellectual edifice" buttressing radical free-market ideology has, in his words, "collapsed."

Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), the lead backer of the CFPA in the House Financial Services Committee, recalled the Greenspan opposed consumer protections while he was chairman. "It's a dramatic turnaround from his public position and even more so, apparently, from what he was privately pushing within the deliberations at the Fed," he told HuffPost.

Greenspan has acknowledged that the collapse has led to a crisis of faith. "I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such as that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms," Greenspan said at a House hearing last October under questioning from Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.).

"In other words," said Waxman, moving in for the kill, "you found that your view of the world, your ideology, was not right, it was not working."

"Absolutely, precisely," said Greenspan. "You know, that's precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well."

It's one thing to reject a failed ideology, but another altogether to embrace the kind of regulation represented by the CFPA. "He has already said that he erred in assuming that the market would take care of things--the Ayn Rand point of view--but this seems to go farther than he's gone before in calling for a new agency to protect consumers from financial products," said Miller.

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Greenspan told the Post that the Fed has enough responsibilities to manage and that consumer protection would be too much. Miller noted that Greenspan's position is "diametrically opposite of what leadership at the Fed are saying now."

Top Fed officials are pushing to make consumer protection a core Fed responsibility. But Democrats passed a law in 1994 requiring the Fed to adopt rules protecting financial consumers. When the GOP took over Congress in 1995, the Fed decided not to act. It didn't write the rules until Democrats retook Congress in 2007 and began work on a new set of laws. "The damage was already done," noted Miller.

The CFPA would gauge the safety of financial products and be given broad powers to require understandable explanations of the terms of financial instruments and otherwise restrict behavior that now goes on unmolested. It was first proposed by Harvard Prof. Elizabeth Warren, the head of the congressional panel overseeing the financial bailout. It is fiercely opposed by the banking lobby.

Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) earlier postponed a vote on the agency until after the August recess. The banking lobby's stiff resistance made it difficult for the chairman to be sure he had enough votes to pass it.

The vote is now expected in October.

Last week, Frank issued a memo to committee members outlining proposed changes to the original package, which had been blasted by the Chamber of Commerce for over-reaching and going so far as to regulate butchers who give meat on credit.

The original bill would have required financial institutions to offer standard, "plain vanilla" financial products meeting certain basic guidelines for transparency and safety. That requirement has been dropped, according to the memo, which was obtained by HuffPost.

Some consumer advocates expressed alarm at the proposed changes, but others following it closely say that the changes are largely technical and that the real fight is yet to come.

The memo:

To: Democratic Members, Committee on Financial Services

From: Barney Frank, Chairman

Subject: Discussion Draft of Consumer Financial Protection Agency Bill

Date: September 22, 2009

I will soon be releasing an initial revised discussion draft of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA) bill, intended to be responsive to the primary concerns Members have expressed to date. I invite all Members to contact me about any concerns regarding the execution of these changes or other concerns with the CFPA provisions. Any Members who would like to sponsor any of the changes identified below should contact me or Jim Segel on my staff.

The discussion draft will make several key changes to the Obama Administration's draft legislation to make clear that CFPA will not disrupt merchants, retailers and other nonfinancial businesses or subject banks and other depository institutions to needless additional regulatory burdens and costs. At the same time, CFPA will have a mandate to set strong rules that all financial institutions--both banks and nonbanks--will have to follow when providing financial products and services to consumers to create a level playing field and remove the current competitive disadvantage that adversely impacts traditional banks and thrifts.

We will make the following key changes:

Nonfinancial Businesses Exempt. Merchants, retailers and other nonfinancial businesses will be excluded from the regulation and oversight of CFPA. That means that merchants and retailers can continue to give their customers tabs and layaway plans without becoming subject to a new layer of regulation. Also, doctors and other businesses that bill their customers after a service is provided, including telephone, cable, and internet providers, will be excluded.

Credit and other financial activities of nonfinancial business will continue to be subject to the Truth in Lending Act and other consumer statutes as they are today.

The Federal Trade Commission will continue its longstanding role of providing oversight for these activities.

Other Exemptions. In addition to providing clear exclusions for securities, commodities, investment and general insurance products (other than financial planners), the following other businesses will not be subject to CFPA regulation for acting in their traditional capacities:

Accountants and other businesses that perform tax preparation services,

Real estate brokers and agents;

Lawyers;

Auto dealers;

Telecom, cable and other communications providers;

Consumer reporting agencies;

Providers of IRAs, 401(k) plans, 529 plans and pension plans; and

Service providers that provide strictly ministerial and support services to financial institutions.

No "Plain Vanilla" Requirement. Financial institutions will not be required to offer plain vanilla products and services and CFPA will not have authority to approve or change business plans.

No "Reasonableness" Standard. CFPA will not be able to mandate "reasonableness" standards that would place financial institutions in the untenable position of having to assess whether consumers comprehend the products and services they are being offered. Instead, CFPA will be mandated to improve the current disclosure regime with an emphasis on clarity, simplicity, conciseness, and reduction of regulatory burden.

Simultaneous and Coordinated Exams. Depository institutions will have simultaneous federal safety and soundness and consumer compliance examinations (unless they request exams at different times). Whatever they choose, the banking agencies and CFPA will have to coordinate and consult one another on the timing, scope and results of exams to ensure a minimum regulatory burden.

Dispute Mechanism. Depository institutions that receive contradictory or conflicting supervisory determinations or directives from CFPA and their prudential supervisors will be able to appeal the decisions to a disinterested governing panel and receive a quick and definitive answer.

Registration and Supervision of Nonbanks.

o All nonbank financial institutions that provide consumer financial products and services will be required to register with CFPA; and

o Nonbanks will be subject to a level of supervision and scrutiny that is no less burdensome or comprehensive than that governing traditional banks and thrifts and that will fully reflect the risks posed by these previously unregulated entities.

- Assessments on Nonbanks. Nonbanks will be subject to assessments and the legislation will make explicit that neither small nor large banks will pay for the examination and supervision of nonbanks.

- Federal Reserve Payments. To ensure adequate funding of CFPA without placing additional burden on financial institutions, the Federal Reserve will fund CFPA at a level that reflects amounts the banking agencies currently pay for consumer compliance.

- Agency Structure. CFPA will be run by a single Director, who will be advised by a Consumer Financial Protection Oversight Board, which is made up of the Federal banking agencies, NCUA, FTC and HUD and the Chairman of the State Liaison Committee of the FFIEC. In addition, CFPA will have an Office of Fair Lending and Equal Opportunity to ensure that the agency has adequate resources to address fair lending and civil rights laws under its jurisdiction. We also will clarify that financial literacy will be an important part of the new agency's mission.

A keystone of Obama's Wall Street reform agenda is getting support from the unlikeliest of corners. Alan Greenspan, an acolyte of Ayn Rand and extreme free-marketeer, is backing one of the most far-re...
A keystone of Obama's Wall Street reform agenda is getting support from the unlikeliest of corners. Alan Greenspan, an acolyte of Ayn Rand and extreme free-marketeer, is backing one of the most far-re...
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- GhostNyc I'm a Fan of GhostNyc 23 fans permalink

"When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, both of us will profit.

"John Galt- Atlas Shrugged"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 09/29/2009
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In the grand scheme of things time is the great arbitrator of truth.

Alabama wisdom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 09/29/2009
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 132 fans permalink
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Ayn Rand ate her chilren, after learning everything she could about selfishness from them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 09/29/2009
- argyle I'm a Fan of argyle 5 fans permalink

The ability to admit openly when a cherished philosophy is proven wrong and move in a new direction is impressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 09/29/2009
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Your argument is that going from greater evil capitalism to one not so evil, that this could someday put Greenspan among good capitalists doing good.

But in order to give capitalism the ability to do good, you would first need strong regulation to make it democracy, which would then make capitalism extinct you see, surely gone forever bad history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 09/29/2009

I think Greenspan's recent admissions might be the most intelligent things he's ever said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 09/29/2009
- Gover I'm a Fan of Gover 45 fans permalink

So it took Greenspan like 60 years to figure out what every reasonable person figures out about 6 months after they read Atlas Shrugged when they're 19 and decide laissez-faire capitalism can't be beat: that it's a fictional book about a world that doesn't operate as the one outside of it's pages does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 09/29/2009
- MikeHermit I'm a Fan of MikeHermit 43 fans permalink
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I have always had a certain pride towards my fellow Atheists. Ayn Rand has always been a notable exception.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/29/2009
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If the purpose of this world is to prove the harm in it, and an Atheist does no harm, then is he not more righteous then virtually all those who fill every Christian church on earth?

Harmless being the true meaning of righteous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 09/29/2009

Did his wife, Andrea Mitchell, know he was involved with another woman?? hee, hee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 09/29/2009
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IF WE HAD NO GOVERNMENT ---- WHAT WOULD CHANGE?

Absolutely nothing. A most profound though, absolutely nothing for:

(1) War materials industry would continue to dictate when a war starts and when it must end.

(2) Finance industry would continue to tell the FED when to raise interest and when to lower.

(3) Medical industry will double in cost next 10 years as it now is predicted to do.

(4) Manufacturing industry would continue to export more jobs, import more goods and destroy unions.

(5) Law enforcement would continue to be all of the intelligent middleclass, to spend 95% of its time policing us laboring men, and to make life a miserable police state for any slow thinking man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 09/29/2009

A correction is coming AJ, you can almost see it, touch it, and indeed smell it. For me, it's long overdue. It's time we put this country on a corrective course. A course that serves the needs of all of us, not just an elite minority. We the majority must once again govern ourselves and cast off the burden placed on us by those that want only to use us for their individual gains.
We have failed ourselves. We have the responsibility as Americans, as guardians of the constitution, to not only demand change when it is needed, we have the responsibility to ensure that change is implemented. When it isn't, we must insist those responsible for the failure to implement the change are removed from office. Instead, we have chosen to become our own worse enemy, fighting with ourselves, left vs. right.
Our struggle REALLY is a class struggle, us against them, the banksters and our political elite from both sides of the aisle. It's time MainStreet ceases this self-destructive BS and gets on with the business we all know needs to be done, and that is cleaning up the mess that exists inside the beltway. No longer can we allow the elite to divide us along party lines with their divisive rhetoric, pitting us against us, it is well past time "us" begin to act in the best interests of "us".
Yes, the correction is coming, it's coming soon and the elitist know it as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/29/2009
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War is peace, slavery is freedom, ignorance is strength..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 09/29/2009
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Democracy is equality, capitalism is excessive wealth slavery, socialized medicine is mercy for all...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 09/29/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/29/2009
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Want to be capitalist and go for excessive wealth -- watch above video.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/29/2009
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Want truth instead of ideaology, watch above....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/29/2009
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Want a clear conscience, while enriching yourself upon the misery of the weak, the poor and those slower of thought --- be a capitalist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 09/29/2009
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"The story of this storm in the global markets is the story of how government intervention to solve previous crises laid the foundation for a new one," writes Johan Norberg in his important new book. Tracing the causes of our current financial crisis with liveliness and clarity, Financial Fiasco shows the mistakes made in Washington, on Wall Street, and in communities across America that led to the economic meltdown. While many analysts have placed the blame solely on Wall Street, Norberg exposes the crucial role government regulation played in creating the opportunities and incentives that led to the financial collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 09/29/2009
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The word government means the organized will of the people, we the people.

And it is very sad that you feel our struggle "to solve previous crises laid the foundation for a new one."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/29/2009
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Sad, OK? but never the less, very true...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 09/29/2009
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Moral of the story, in a capitalist brain-power dictatorship, the big brains win all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 09/29/2009
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He forgets that government has its dirty little fingerprints all over the mess and the more it tries to clean up its own mess, the more it will strangle itself...

Did the collapse of the financial sector cause the recession or did the recession cause the collapse of the financial sector? Was the supply of money too "easy" in the run-up to the collapse or was it too "tight"? Did the exhaustion of monetary policy tools necessitate a surge of government spending to prop up the economy during our near-depression? Or did the failure to use available monetary policy tools in part cause our near-depression? Should we be worried about getting hammered by high inflation, or should we worry inflation is not high enough?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 09/29/2009
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So you feel that we the government, we the organized will of the people, have our "dirty little fingerprints all over the mess and the more it tries to clean up its own mess, the more it will strangle itself."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 09/29/2009
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Was the sub-prime mortgage fraud, and the housing market crash it caused, was it the fault of us the slow thinking laboring class not being able to understand the fine print, of the rich bankers who knew we could never comprehend the fine print?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 09/29/2009
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Uh...both.­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 09/29/2009
- oldcliche I'm a Fan of oldcliche 16 fans permalink

The collusion of companies over leveraging their assets, and a backup plan that they already had the ear of the White House for TARP funds. The sub-prime mortgages was a tiny fraction of the problem. I know of at least one study in particular, that I've linked to before, that shows sub-prime mortgages have a lower default rate than standard mortgages.

When we go back to the details of TARP itself, we can notice the intent was to keep the wheels of credit flowing. Since the lenders held their infusions of TARP funds in house, borrowers could not get the captial to continue the cycle of purchases on lines of credit. Thus are people were trying to sell their homes, the limited amount of buyers forced many to default on mortgages they were trying to get out from.

From a hindsight based perspective, it seems like the entire structure was designed to fail once any one component lost value. To this day it still boggles my mind, that a company can be too big to fail. It seems more appropriate that once a company approaches that status, it should be too big to exist as a singular entity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 09/29/2009
- Sean 6399 I'm a Fan of Sean 6399 31 fans permalink

And isn't the fawning tone of this article bizarre? If Greenspan's policies were a major contributor to the collapse, then why should his approval be sought for reform efforts? If Greenspan is supporting Obama's plan, shouldn't that give people reservations about said plan?

This is sort of like Obama getting approval for some foreign policy shift from George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 09/29/2009
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Yes and because of the stress it gives us that's why they do it.

SMOKE SCREEN: Something that blinds the mind by burning the emotions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/29/2009
- clarryr I'm a Fan of clarryr 31 fans permalink

So your theory is "once wrong always wrong"? If someone makes a mistake you can never trust them to be right. If anyone reject's a prior belief then their next belief is equally flawed. Only perfect people who have never been wrong should ever be listened to, despite how much they can say why they held their prior belief, and why they rejected, and why they think their new belief is better. Kind of invalidates the whole theory of the scientific method. Everybody gets one shot to be right otherwise you move on to the next person's idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 09/29/2009
- Sean 6399 I'm a Fan of Sean 6399 31 fans permalink

It's not really fair to correlate politics with the scientific method. The scientific method requires falsifiable predictions that can be tested, whereas politics is all about beliefs and opinion.

Greenspan was instrumental in the architecture of a financial system that has destabilized the country and world. I think that should disqualify him from future influence on policy. I certainly wouldn't pay any attention to the old fool if he was criticizing Obama, why should I care if he supports Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 09/29/2009
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Capitaliism is legalized excessive wealth, legalized greed actually.

And so, Greenspan the greedy has no love for the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 09/29/2009
- Sean 6399 I'm a Fan of Sean 6399 31 fans permalink

Capitalism is freedom. The freedom to trade the product of your labor in an open and lawful marketplace.

There is no such thing as excessive wealth. To say such requires a value judgment that naturally requires the assertion of mere opinion. However, there can be such a thing as unearned wealth. Wealth acquired through unjust or unlawful methods, such as force or fraud is not legitimate and should not be permissible in a capitalist society.

If a person acquires wealth through the exchange of goods or services with people who are free to choose for themselves if they want to participate in the transaction then there is nothing wrong with it, no matter how much wealth they may acquire. Any voluntary trade is beneficial for both parties, or they would not agree to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/29/2009
- Bude I'm a Fan of Bude 164 fans permalink
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And we care what Mr. Greenjeans thinks, why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 09/29/2009
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It’s not what the godfather of capitalist government thinks that has us concerned, but the impact he has on the thinking of our self-absorbed majority.

For 60% of voters feel that elections are a popularity contest, and always vote for the one most liked -- by the people most liked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 09/29/2009
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Of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged", Parker said: "This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 09/29/2009
- Sean 6399 I'm a Fan of Sean 6399 31 fans permalink

Socialists despise the concept of individual liberty, hence their hatred of Rand.

And Greenspan rejected the philosophy of liberty long before this recent economic collapse. The entire fed reserve system is a repudiation of individual economic liberty. The fed is the mechanism that permits lying politicians to promise the impossible and then fund their stupid promises by stealing from the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/29/2009

Sounds to me like you need to research what the Fed actually does, and maybe consider that socialists actually are not opposed to individual liberty. You are speaking in cariticature. Where do you get your facts, Glenn Beck?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 09/29/2009
- Sean 6399 I'm a Fan of Sean 6399 31 fans permalink

The fed acts as the lender of last resort to prop up a fraudulent fractional reserve banking system, among other things. We see now that it also acts as a lender of last resort to various selected industries and politically connected parties.

There's no legitimate justification in a free society for there to exist a secretive cabal of people with authority to manipulate everyone's wealth, and to select what industries will succeed and which will fail. Or to have the authority to transfer the financial losses of some select group onto the society as a whole. The whole construct is an obscene authoritarian power grab.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 09/29/2009
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blueskybigstar 130 fans permalink

This is what Ayn Rand and these objectivists or existentialists or whatever you call it leads to.

This is definitely a must see.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862&ei=34LBStSvKIScqAOD8PiQBg&q=kay+griggs+interview&client=safari#

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 09/28/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 153 fans permalink

Don't ever confuse what Rand stood for with Existentialism, Please!!!!

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/29/2009
- blueskybigstar 130 fans permalink

I know the difference, however, these people in special operations call themselves that. They do anything that gets results no matter how criminal. That is what they think the definition is.

Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 09/29/2009
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 58 fans permalink

What the hell did that clip have to do with anything in this article?
For Greenie to be expousing Ayn Randian philosophy in this day and age is ludicrous.
Surely someone at his station in life would have more common sense.
Strong regulation with strong mandatory penalties is mandatory to fix this problem.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 09/29/2009
- blueskybigstar 130 fans permalink

This exposes the Ayn Rand philosophy being used in special operations. The clip is several hours long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 09/29/2009
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