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LIBBY QUAID | 09/28/09 09:11 AM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.

Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.

"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."

The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.

"Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.

Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.

But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.

Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.

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"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.

Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?

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Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.

"Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."

While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests – Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

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Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.

Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.

"Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."

In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.

Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics – kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.

Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.

Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.

Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.

Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.

That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.

Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.

"If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.

Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.

The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.

Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.

"Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."

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Associated Press writer Russell Contreras in Boston contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way. Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, p...
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- bighat I'm a Fan of bighat 69 fans permalink
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Education. Is the amount we learn dependent on governmental rules and regulations or parenta?

Many compare their race to how much the white children are learning. Maybe the white children are the wrong example.

The asian people seem to put alot more emphasis on education. Are the asian people smarter? Is it in their genes? Or do the people put a higher value on education and expect more from their children?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 09/29/2009
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I see many of the comments concerned with politics. Many concerned with the process of education but not if children are learning. Do more hours in school mean smarter more educated students? I see very many comments that seem more to do with day care rather than education. I see many who seem to think our children are stupid that they forget what they have learned if they have any time off. (If you learn something do you forget the subject that easily?)

The concentration should not be spent on time in school but whether or not the children are learning. Seen very little of that type of comment. If one forgets everything with 180 days of school will they remember anything with 240 days of school?

To me, it sounds like the school system needs major modification. We seem to have alot of admin with lots of time spent on worrying if aspirin is hidden in a bra or panties or a student hugs someone whose parent has died. We seem very worried about a child's self esteem so we give out trophies just for showing up. Life is not that way. Are we lying to the children with this approach? Alot of time spent on finding every grant available.

We are using teachers teaching subjects of which they are qualified. Some qualified teachers may not be interesting enough for students to learn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 09/29/2009
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Or are the teachers not the problem but the students? Students are disruptive or pressuring other students not to learn should they be a part of the public school.

Charter schools with full state funding are one way. Could charter schools be altered to fit the student for the artist, the gifted as well as the slower learners?

Another way to go is to encourage those who have been successful and have retired or could retire to get their teaching certificate. I have no idea if Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, or Michael Jordan can spell less alone do math. But if they can would they not make great teachers. Especially for kids that are considered the at risk kids. But they do not have to be celebrities but the people that can make math and science come alive. Someone who can demonstrate the math required in a video game. The science needed to put us into space.

I have no idea if the young actors or musicians are smart or stupid. But they are only required to get 3 hours of school/day. Is this all that is needed or are these people shortchanged. Or is the opposite the case. We use school as daycare. The emphasis should be on the children learning. We have 50 states and should have 50 different ideas some of which would work and could be copied. The one size fits all federal govt school is not working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 09/29/2009
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Full disclosure - my mother is a retired elementary school teacher, from a top school district in Iowa. So I'm biased. We both disagree with longer days as the answer, but she and I differ on a longer school year. (She's against, I'm for).

What concerns me is, what about the activities? In high school, I was in track, cross country, swimming, mock trial, German club, Congress, pep band, jazz band, symphonic band, drama (3 plays) and piloted a philosophy club program with a community college professor. All these were before and after school activities. I wasn't alone. Almost everyone in my (very large) high school was involved in multiple activities.

I would support a longer school day if the extra three hours could be spent in extra-curricular activities, creating curious, engaged, well-rounded students who are eager to be in school and can compete for spots in top universities and colleges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 09/29/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 93 fans permalink

We wonder why our kids do poorly on knowledge tests vs. other countries, but then look at how much more time those other kids spend in school, both in length of the school day and number of instruction days per year. And our kids are among the fattest, so I don't think the argument that more time in school means less exercise will fly. More time in school means less time with the Xbox. More time for instruction equals more knowledge for students.
Another factor is that many of the after school activities such as music and sports we American parents shuffle kids are part of the curriculum in other countries, and therefore available to more children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/29/2009
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Effective organization is the key. I think that music, art, classical and modern languages in addition to English, and even sports need to be taken by all students. What I see students NOT getting enough of is development of critical thinking/analytical skills. These need to be worked on from the very beginning--before the child begins school, and continuing throughout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 09/29/2009
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Oh, and another factor which plays into the equation is whether or not all the standardized testing is actually assessing what the students know; or, whether the schools are only "teaching to the test".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 09/29/2009
- carbolaw I'm a Fan of carbolaw 29 fans permalink

Have you even looked at the power point slides you posted? Look at the second slide - hours of instruction per year. The US exceeds the global average by 34 hours and has more hours of instruction of all of the countries on the chart except for Korea and China. It is fine to argue that more hours are needed, but do not argue this with facts that your own slides that you posted prove to be inaccurate. If you think we need to be more like Korea and China then this is an argument for more hours, if you think we should be like Japan then we have about the same hours, if you think we need to be like Autralia, the Netherlands, Canada, the UK or Russia then we need to cut hours. You can also go to the OECD sight on education and see that the US has more hours of instruction per year than almost every European nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 09/29/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 93 fans permalink

I answered you below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 09/29/2009

I don't want less time with my child. I'm involve. I volunteer often. She's an "honor roll" student and spends enough time away. She works hard enough. I've given up a lot to spend time with and help my kid. Summer vacation is friends and family time for us and a time for real life experiences. Maybe a little travel. Maybe a little parent/child bonding at a library program. Maybe a summer job when she's a little older! It would make it convenient for some parents but I'm not convinced this is the answer to better education. Kids attention spans are only so long.

This is taxpayer day care flat out! More time in the liberal classroom environment of today. If more affordable after school programs are necessary so be it.

On one hand President Obama says the schools are failing and parent need to interact more with their kids yet he thinks our kids need more time away in the failing schools?! Schools aren't failing because they need 3 more hours a day? Yep seems like state run day care imo.

Too much will just burn a kid out. She doesn't need more time in "the system!"

Against longer schools days and hours!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 09/29/2009
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Yeah you are lucky to be able to spend more time with your daughter. Have to ability to help her along the way in school. Wonder if those who have to work 2-3 jobs a day will think the same way as you? Sorry but you really are just showing the spirit of selfishness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/29/2009
- bighat I'm a Fan of bighat 69 fans permalink
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so you believe extending the school day and year is a day care center.

Maybe we should have school 24 hours/day divided in 8 hour increments with some lapover time for parent to drop off and pick up their children.

After all not everyone workds 8 to 5.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 09/29/2009
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One thing I've not seen mentioned is how much of what children learn during the school year basically "vanishes" during those 3 summer months. A large portion of the first few returning months is spent "reminding" the students of what they were taught the previous year-which is a waste of time and resources.

A more continuous system, with weeks off instead on several months off at a time could help solve that problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/29/2009
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If a child forgets everything over a 3 months summer period makes one wonder if the child is learning anything. Are the children just taught by rote? Is this the reason the children forget?

This makes me wonder if the children have actually learned anything except the ability to recite what the teacher just said for a few moments.. Are pop quizzes now given at the end of class instead of before the class starts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 09/29/2009
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School in th U.S. already has more days than other countries. But are we learning during the time spent in school?.

I do not know if it is relevant or not but when child actors or underage people in a band go to school they just for for 3 hours/day.

Makes one wonder if we are teaching the students anything in the time allotted or if we are just boring them.

Are politicians trying to make the school day match the work day? Is that the politically correct thing to do.

Will physical activities be added to these school schedules because of obesity or will parents write their children a note to skip physical activity because of perceived or real illness

Will there be more recess so the ADD or ADHD kids can burn off steam instead of being drugged.

I know charter school are unpopular choice but we may need them for the diversity of our children. As some of the kids are gifted in school subjects and need to move at a faster pace so as not to be bored to the children that need extra time learning to read. The way things are going we need to start teaching our children Spanish and Mandarin starting in kindergarten.

I do not mean charter schools that were tried before but fully funded (every kid gets same amount spent on them as their particular state allow)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 09/29/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 93 fans permalink

First sentence is incorrect. American children have one of the shortest school years, the international average is 193 instruction days, Americans do 180. Korean children spend 225 days a year in school. And in most countries the school day itself is longer, not shorter than ours.

http://www.timeandlearning.org/resources/International%20Data.ppt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 09/29/2009
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The news on the today show this morning disagress with your assessment.

Though I believe they gave the amount of school in hours taught not number of days

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/29/2009
- carbolaw I'm a Fan of carbolaw 29 fans permalink

Even your own charts show that the US has more hours of instruction per year than all but China and Korea. As I have been saying over and over in this discussion we have fewer days than those that have shorter days and we have fewer hours per day than those who have more days, but overall the US student has more hours in school than almost any other student. The problem is not the hours. The rush to just add days and hours is typical of the American quick fix to any problem. We are so impatient as a culture that we are never willing to do any type of root cause analysis. Instead we latch onto the first band-aid, quick fix that we can find.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/29/2009
- maab76 I'm a Fan of maab76 5 fans permalink

More than 10 years ago the length of the school year and of the school day. The U.S. numbers of 180 days and 5.5 hours were among the lowest in the world. I see few today who need to plow, plant, cultivate and harvest the fields. If a student is lucky, he may have the responsibility for a pet. Hardly comparable to the initial needs.

Money is often the root of all evil. The cost of implementing these programs boils down to pre-pared and certificated personnel and the facilities in which to teach them. My community is not considered a wealthy one. The elementary district provides physical education and recess every day. It provides 2 classes of music , 1 art class, 1 library, 1 computer per week., counseling for those dealing with personal or family traumas, and in-school tutoring on short term for those who need it.

The techniques of teaching are among the higest priority in this portfolio. It must transcend the old "Read, write, and regurgitate." Experience has been identified as the best teacher. Others add that it is the only teacher. Identifying the objectives and designing experiences to achieve those objectives is not always an easy task. Hours of planning, developing learning materials, and of presenting the information (experience) then of "processing out" what each child has learned are time-intensive tasks. Let us emphasize the preparation for teaching as well as the professional application of the skill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/29/2009
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I would like to see them put in place a school plan similar to colleges, who are insisting that students do at least 3 semesters a year.

Not only will it help prepare teenagers for a life soon to come, working year-round, but it will also allow them to fit more classes and potentially increase their education.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/29/2009
- carbolaw I'm a Fan of carbolaw 29 fans permalink

Perhaps we should go back to the idea of treating children as small adults. If they cannot cut it in an 6 day a week 8 hour school day at the age of 6, perhaps we can find a vocation where they could better benefit corporate America. I am sure there are still plenty of jobs where small hands are better than adult hands. Or perhaps we can wake up and realize that this philosophy of constant doing is driving even our children to Prozac. We were the prozac nation of adults by the 90s and are quickly becoming a prozac nation of children and adults. Clearly there are problems with our educational system, but to suggest that the only difference between our system and the other systems around the world is the number of hours in school is short-sighted. Further, I would again point out that the total hours in school for American children exceeds all but two nations - China and Korea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/29/2009
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I hope you read that I was talking more about teenagers being put on a shorter vacation time and not children. Teenagers would be able to handle the time better.

I know you were being satirical, but yes I think we should allow more vocational teaching to kids rather than just a limited teaching level. I'm not saying that we teach them to do one thing and one thing only, rather show them what different areas there are.

Either way something has to be done to our educational system if 75% of OK high schoolers fail the American Citizenship Exam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 09/29/2009
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I'm a fan of year-around schooling. Keep in mind that year-around doesn't mean that kids will only get weekends and one two-week long break a year, as if they were in an office. It means that the long summer break is broken up into three or four shorter breaks during the year. This works well for a couple of reasons. First, it will dramatically decrease the amount of time teachers spend at the beginning of the school year reviewing what was learned the year before because kids regressed over the 2-3 months off. Second, more frequent breaks give kids more to look forward to. If kids know they only have to show up for 9 or 10 weeks before getting a break instead of 8 or 9 months, it's probably going to improve performance and behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 09/29/2009
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I agree that our present school system deperately needs to move from the 19th/early 20th centuries into the 21st. The vast majority of our present system is designed aroung the "factory" and the "rural" (got to be out to help with the crops) models. We could and should be much more efficient; it isn't that we are trying to teach too much, but that organization is lacking. I also agree that several shorter breaks of a week, or so, make a lot more sense than just one, really long summer break. The whole concept of a long break is only currently valid because teachers and students are "burned out" by the end of the school year as it presently exists. (I know that I need the first half of the summer break just to recover to the point where I can mentally function as I should.) By going more to a year-long block system with sufficient breaks between each cycle, we could accomplish more. I am also concerned about students not acquiring necessary skills. Since I teach at a university, I see an alarming number of incoming freshmen who have almost no effective communicative skills. In addition, they have not learned any critical thinking skills. To me, those are especially scary. We should be teaching more and the students learning more; but I don't see that happening as things are at present. I'd like to rant on, but I may already be over limit on space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 09/29/2009
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This is a much more reasoned approach than the idea to add three hours and umpteen days to the schedule. The shorter breaks that occur more often would indeed allow students the needed time to refresh and unwind and minimize the lost learning. Further, the shorter and more frequent school periods would allow for more concentrated efforts on tougher subjects - such as the additional math lesson time suggested in the initial report. Further, this would force schools to look at delivery methods and curricula. Finally this might also allow for the children of our nation to have breaks that coincide with those of their parents to allow for more quality family time. Of course, then we would also have to make sure to create an economy where parents can afford to spend the quality time with their children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 09/29/2009
- Marie62866 I'm a Fan of Marie62866 20 fans permalink

We should go to year round school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 09/29/2009
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And we should make school last from 7:30 am to 5:30 pm. So the children will not interfere with our work schedule.

Maybe we could schedule games, plays, and banquests around our work conferences and days where we work late.

If we are to be successful we need nannies for our children. The rich have them but we all need them.

In fact if one spouse can not stay at home to raise the children maybe you, and the country would be better off if you did not have children. Think of the environment and the carbon footprints

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 09/29/2009
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in one breath you say for folks to get up and get a job-but when both parents then work to support their families and NOT be on the "dole" you say-don't have children if one spouse cannot stay home to be home after school?

So you would rather "nannies" raise these kids after school-which for the most part means slappiong them in front of a TV or video game with some junk food, then staying at school where OMG they might actually learn something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 09/29/2009
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Well, at least 8:00 to 5:00. And we should insist that good, affordable and dependable school or public transportation exists to get them safely there and back home. In a neighboring city, students are not permitted to ride the school bus if they live less than 3 miles from their school. Last week, we had a high schooler who got hit by a car and seriously injured crossing a street at 7:30 a.m. I am convinced that we as a society can do much better than this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/29/2009
- DUSAA-1775 I'm a Fan of DUSAA-1775 9 fans permalink

I don't see how more time in US public schools will help the students. As students wander through the public school system, the more time they put in, the worse they compare to other nations. Third graders compare favorably, but by the time the public school system is pushing them out of the high school, the US students are far below other nations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 09/29/2009
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A big part of the problem is that the time kids currently have in school is not spent well or spent efficiently. In high schools, after taking attendance, collecting homework, and getting the kids settled, there might be only 35 or 40 minutes left in the class period. While that might be enough time to deliver a lecture and pass out a worksheet, that's not much time to engage the kids in activities where genuine learning takes place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/29/2009
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The current school schedule was designed for farm kids. They were needed in the fields and gardens for planting and harvesting.

I once lived in an area that had year-round school. It was divided up so that kids had a month off at different times of the year, therefore, providing a more continuous education and parents could still plan their vacation time.

Our kids are bored after 2-3 weeks of "summer vacation". Families can't afford to take a real 2-week vacation like we used to. Teachers spend the first month of school reviewing last year's learning so that the students are back to where they were when school closed for the summer.

In the little tourist town I live in, there are half a dozen indoor water parks, indoor amusement parks, indoor go-karts, etc. The only thing that's really outside any more are the mini golf courses and horseback riding. In fact, we are getting to the point where there are almost as many tourists during a snow storm as there are in the summer. Families come up for 2-3 days at a time, not a week.

After watching my kids and grandkids bored out of their minds during the summer, I'm all for a year-round, block class educational system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/29/2009

Just think of all the businesses that will go out of business if there is year round school.

Camps of all kinds, the tourism industry(airlines, hotels, restaurants, shops ect.), swim clubs, fairs, bike shops and the list goes on.

When would teeanagers be able to work and save money for college?

If the day is extended when would they play sports or get their music lessons? They already don't get home until 7 or 8 at night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 09/29/2009
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Teenagers will just have to work part time during the school year like my brother and I did, like our parents did when they were in school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 09/29/2009
- maab76 I'm a Fan of maab76 5 fans permalink

Do not underestimate the creativity of the American Business Person. Those same camps will provide special opportunities during the shorter breaks. Those businesses will re-tool just like those other businesses have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/29/2009

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It's not the educational system that is broke. What is broke is the family system. Home schooled children spend no time in class and consistantly do better on ACT tests. Asian children do better in American schools. Private schools do better with less money spent per student. Not because of the teachers but the parents are more involved in their kids education.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/29/2009
- Marie62866 I'm a Fan of Marie62866 20 fans permalink

Home schooled children are freaks and incapable of normal socialization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/29/2009

And what is your excuse for being rude, were you homeschooled?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 09/29/2009

Alright Kanye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/29/2009
- maab76 I'm a Fan of maab76 5 fans permalink

Don't know if the research by a private school in Fargo has been authenticated and published, but they were constantly amazed at the achievement and social involvement of their "home-schooled" students. (School serves Jr & Sr. High.) The students them-selves were the "reporters."

Fargo, however, is unique in that their is a network of home-schoolers. It provides active participation in public school athletics and arts. There are regularly scheduled planning and social events, and parents are observed every week if they are not certificated. Perhaps it should serve as a model for home-schoolers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 09/29/2009
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I went to public schools, but some of my best university students (occasionally, worst) were home-schooled. The home is a great place to be schooled provided the teacher does his/her job, and make sure that the student does his/her job. A student can get a superior, or inferior, education regardless of where he/she goes to school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 09/29/2009
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