Uninsured Playing The Odds On Health Care Over Costs

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BETH FOUHY | 09/28/09 08:16 AM | AP

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In this photo taken Friday, Sept. 18, 2009, Mary Pitman is seen at the Indian River Memorial Hospital recovery room in Vero Beach, Fla. She would rather be a contract nurse, rather than work full time for the hospital and get benefits including insurance. Call it a health care gamble: the decision by some people to opt out of health insurance, paying cash for routine care while playing the odds that an accident or catastrophic illness won't plunge them into financial ruin. (AP Photo/J Pat Carter)

NEW YORK — Call it a health care gamble: the decision by some people to opt out of health insurance, paying cash for routine care while playing the odds that an accident or catastrophic illness won't plunge them into financial ruin.

President Barack Obama's goal of requiring everyone to carry health insurance has drawn a great deal of skepticism from this group. Many pay far less for health care than they would on premiums, and doubt that insurance would even cover them if they needed it.

It's unknown how many of the nearly 50 million uninsured in the United States voluntarily go without coverage. Researchers at the Kaiser Family Foundation, which studies the uninsured, said most are young, generally healthy adults who are self-employed or in relatively low-wage jobs that do not offer insurance coverage and don't pay enough for workers to afford individual policies.

"Income is key and most of the uninsured have low incomes," foundation researcher Karyn Schwartz said. "If you look at your budget and think you can't afford it or can afford it if you eat only ramen noodles, you may choose not to get it."

All the health care plans that have emerged from the Democratic-controlled Congress would require everyone to have insurance, the way drivers in nearly every state must purchase auto insurance. Proponents say that by bringing everyone into the system, medical risk is spread over a broader population, bringing costs down.

Those who opt out voluntarily might have to pay a penalty. Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who drafted the Senate Finance Committee's plan, set the penalty at $3,800 for a family but cut it to $1,900 amid complaints that the original level was too high.

Republicans have called the insurance mandate a new tax on the middle class. Obama disputes that, saying that whatever plan emerges from Congress must offer subsidies to lower-income people that will make coverage affordable.

In exchange for the requirement that everyone buys coverage, Obama wants a guarantee from insurers that they no longer will deny coverage based on an individual's health or drop coverage when a person gets sick. The insurance industry has signaled it will accept that trade-off, but needs to convince skeptical consumers that it actually means it.

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Doubts about what insurers will cover – coupled with the high cost of premiums – have driven some to opt out and take their chances.

Krista Neher, who's starting her own social media and marketing venture, is one.

The 30-year-old from Cincinnati recently left Procter & Gamble Co., where she was covered by the company's health care plan. After researching the costs of an individual policy, she decided to remain uninsured.

"I want to have health coverage, I think it's important. It bothers me that I could be hit by a car," Neher said. "But I have really low confidence that any insurance company would even cover me in that case, even after I paid all the high premiums. It just seems like a lose-lose situation."

Many people who go without coverage have found that health care providers often will cut the price of a procedure if they know they'll be paid in cash rather than through insurance.

Jason Jepson, a self-employed communications consultant based in Southern California, decided against buying an individual policy he said would have cost twice as much as his $1,250 monthly rent. He pays out of pocket for all medical treatment, saving money even after being treated for a broken ankle and severe strep throat.

"If you pay with cash, they do give you a discount – it's the big secret of not having insurance," Jepson, 35, said.

But Jepson said his lack of insurance has meant lifestyle adjustments, such as driving less and staying off freeways to avoid accidents. He says he supports Obama's requirement that everyone carry insurance if it can be made affordable.

"I would pay for it. I'm just not sure it will really cover everything," Jepson said.

To ease fears of an unexpected medical crisis, registered nurse Mary Pitman of Vero Beach, Fla., refuses health insurance and takes the extra cash in her paycheck. Pitman, 54, puts $3,000 per year into a pretax flexible spending account for routine care and another $300 per month in an emergency fund in the event of a major illness.

"I have more control over my money this way, and there's a tax advantage," she said.

As skeptical as many are about insurers, some are equally doubtful about government's ability to do a better job managing health care.

Laura Silverthorn of Tampa, Fla., left a nursing job to start her own business designing and selling temporary tattoos. She and her toddler son have gone without health coverage for nearly two years.

While Silverthorn, 36, said she wishes she could afford insurance – "Just one accident and you're done," as she put it – she's also grown disillusioned with government-run programs after working part time reviewing medical charts for Medicaid.

"I don't know if I want the government running health care when I see how they run Medicaid – there is so much fraud," she said.

The only test case for Obama's plan to bring everyone into the health insurance system is Massachusetts. In 2006, it enacted a program to cover all state residents. Those who opt out must pay a $912 annual tax penalty.

Michael Widmer, president of the nonpartisan Massachusetts Taxpayer Foundation, which researched the effectiveness of the state's health insurance mandate, said most people chose to buy insurance rather than pay the penalty – even those who are "young, healthy and immortal."

"Most are saying, 'If I'm going to have to pay this much in any case, I should be covered,'" he said.

While about 65,000 people in Massachusetts were allowed for financial reasons to opt out of the mandate last year, the state now has the lowest rate of uninsured residents in the country – 4.1 percent, according to the latest census data.

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Kaiser Family Foundation: http://www.kff.org/uninsured/index.cfm

NEW YORK — Call it a health care gamble: the decision by some people to opt out of health insurance, paying cash for routine care while playing the odds that an accident or catastrophic illness ...
NEW YORK — Call it a health care gamble: the decision by some people to opt out of health insurance, paying cash for routine care while playing the odds that an accident or catastrophic illness ...
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- StuManChu I'm a Fan of StuManChu 10 fans permalink

Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. Happiness is not guaranteed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 09/29/2009

I am a 27 year old college graduate in relatively good condition and am one of the gamblers. I work for a small business that does not yet provide health care benefits. I do not trust insurance companies at all and feel like even if I had insurance, they would try to screw me. I have a pre-existing condition so I am not sure I would even be eligible for health care. I pay $1200/month out-of-pocket for one prescription, which I really need.

When I did have health care through my previous employment, I paid $100/month and had this coverage max for a year:
$1000/outpatient
$9000/inpatient
$500/prescriptions

Not sure I would exactly classify that as health care!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 09/28/2009

So what do you do if a person works only part time and doesn't have health insurance?

What if a student wants to work half time and go to school, but they can't afford $250 a month for medical insurance?

What about someone who losed their job, yet can't afford the COBRA payments? My premiums would be $800 a month. If I lost my job, I would pay housing, food and job search costs first.

What about the underemployed, who can't find more than 30 hours a week, and companies like WalMart who staff their help to avoid having a company plan. Do you charge these temps 100% for insurance?

Lastly, how do you inforce the fine for no insurance? Do the police check each time they pull someone over for a health violation? Do they wait until they end up in an emergency room? and if so, does the emergency room refuse to treat them? If the person is an illegal immigrant without insurance, does the hospital turn them away?

Seems to me the only way to fill in all of these gaps is to have a single government health insurace, covering everyone, and paid through a national tax. Anything else is too complicated, and difficult to enforce.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 09/28/2009
- PAsteelers I'm a Fan of PAsteelers 98 fans permalink
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Some people making a very low income will be exempt...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 09/28/2009
- Palito I'm a Fan of Palito 5 fans permalink

if someone is that poor with no assets and very healthy , it may be better to go uninsured and just not pay the bill if anything catastrophic happens

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 09/29/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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Insurance is a gamble. You are betting that you will get hurt or sick and the insurance company is betting you don't. It's that simple. The insurance companies are making money so you know who is placing the right bet. If you are the group of people that don't "bet" you are winning. The insurance companies want you to play because they know they will make lots of money off of you. Chances are, the money you pay in premiums will be more than they have to pay out to doctors. Its that simple.
The left is crying about how dangerous is is to be without insurance. It"s not. Its a fear tactic and the money proves me right.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 09/28/2009
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In the case of health insurance if you don't 'bet' you aren't winning or losing, you're gambling.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 09/28/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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I see your point. " By not betting, thats gambling. So by betting that something will happen, is not gambling. " I'll do that in Vegas, bet, so I don't lose gambling.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 09/28/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 26 fans permalink

America the greatest country in the world for some but not all. Some of you don't deserve it for various reasons according to Repugs

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 09/28/2009

We went without insurance for a little over a year. It wasn't exactly a choice, but it was a gamble. We moved out of state and it turned out that my husband's new company self-insured and had a track record of not paying their employee's claims. The week before he became eligible to sign-up for the insurance, one of the employees found out that the company had denied claims for a procedure and she was $20,000 in debt because of it. We also found out that the owner of the company had been barred from doing business in the state and had put his son in as the "figurehead" to get around that loophole.

Since there was no pint in putting money into insurance that was unlikely to cover us if anything should happen, we decided we would risk it for awhile. We had tried to get our own insurance in the past when my husband had his own business and they refused to cover our daughter, so we knew that path was a waste of time and money. Fortunately, I secured a job a year later that has excellent benefits.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/28/2009

You know, it's also a gamble when you have insurance, you know, when they try and find every reason in the book to deny the coverage you've been paying for for years. In fact it's living in America with the health care "system" the way it is, period.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 09/28/2009
- CintiBlue I'm a Fan of CintiBlue 46 fans permalink

bingo.

Why shell out 12 to 15 thousand a year to have no help when you need it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 09/28/2009
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This is what happens with the many mid to large size companies with financial problems who self-insure their health insurance. The company is the insurance provider, even though it might be administered by a well-known insurance provider. Many more companies do this than the average American realizes. If an employee pays $4,000 a year for coverage from a self-insured employer and has no expenses for the year, the employer makes $4,000. The money doesn't go to an outside insurance company.

I have yet to hear anything in this reform that deals with employers who go out of business, or those who refuse to pay for health benefits that they have legally committed to their employees and retirees.

Many companies intentionally charge a high price for their insurance programs to keep their low paid employees out of the plan. There is no way that an employee who makes $25,000 per year can afford to pay $6,000 for health insurance.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 09/28/2009
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NEW YORK — Call it a health care gamble: the decision by some people to opt out of health insurance, paying cash for routine care while playing the odds that an accident or catastrophic illness won't plunge them into financial ruin.

What, you mean everybody isn't doing this? Because the way people are talking, you'd think that people would actually care how they treat themselves and do more to make sure they don't get sick in the first place and don't use luxury medicine, cause if they did take care of themself and stopped using so much luxury medicine there would be enormously large amounts of money to be put into real medicine and technology that actually helps people who really need it

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/28/2009
- DinSea I'm a Fan of DinSea 25 fans permalink

1. I had to do this with Medicare - it did not cover what I need so why pay over $100/month for nothing? An emergency root canal took priority so I dropped Medicare & paid the cash that many dentists now require. To re-enroll in Medicare, there is a penalty and higher monthly premium - bah humbug!

2. If we are required by law to have insurance, it MUST be affordable and it MUST COVER EVERYTHING.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 09/28/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 223 fans permalink
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It isn't a casino, and it isn't a gamble, and it definitely isn't any fun when you just FREAKIN can't afford healthcare insurance!

Quit playing with words!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 09/28/2009
- DinSea I'm a Fan of DinSea 25 fans permalink

"..when you just FREAKIN can't afford healthcare insurance" .... absolutely!

Especially when cost of premiums & deductible, then your % of the bill totals more than cash to the doctor. Anything more than that, insurance denies anyway.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 09/28/2009

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