Public Option Amendments Fail In Senate Finance Committee

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First Posted: 09-29-09 02:50 PM   |   Updated: 09-29-09 05:17 PM

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A coalition of Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee joined together Tuesday to defeat a public health insurance option.

Five Democrats joined with all the Republicans on the committee to reject an amendment by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) in a 15-8 vote.

Three Democrats then joined the Republicans to defeat a second public-option proposal. By a vote of 13-10, the committee rejected an amendment by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Schumer, however, said the debate is far from over. He acknowledged during the debate that the public option doesn't yet have the 60 votes on the Senate floor it needs to overcome a filibuster, but he emphasized to Huffington Post outside the hearing room: "Yet. I said 'yet.'"

Schumer's public option was considered a more moderate proposal than one offered earlier by Rockefeller, which was tied to Medicare rates.

Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) opposed the Schumer amendment. Baucus said he did so because he didn't think it could garner 60 votes on the floor and his highest priority is to pass a bill.

Sens. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) and Tom Carper (D-Del.) voted for the Schumer amendment, but joined Baucus, Conrad and Lincoln in opposing the Rockefeller amendment. Carper told the Huffington Post after the vote that he wanted to send a signal that he is open to different policy options. "I'm almost agnostic on the public option," he said, explaining that increasing competition is his top priority and that he is open to various approaches to that end.

Rockefeller's proposal was expected to garner less support than Schumer's. The government-run insurance option he envisioned would have used Medicare reimbursement rates for the first two years; Schumer's public plan would negotiate rates and not be tied to Medicare.

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Ironically, the more liberal amendment offered by Rockefeller is also more fiscally responsible, according the Congressional Budget Office. Rockefeller's package would have shaved $50 billion of the bill's cost over a ten-year period.

Nevertheless, Republican senators argued that the public option would bankrupt the country and lead to a single-payer system. "Government is not a competitor. Government is a predator," said Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa).

Yet the GOP also defended Medicare, which Democrats took pains to point out was a government-run plan.

Baucus framed his opposition in pragmatic terms. "My first job is to get this bill across the finish line," he said, arguing that if Rockefeller's public option was included in the final package, the bill wouldn't have the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.

Rockefeller rejected the notion that any bill that can pass is a good thing. "We're here for a serious purpose," he said.

Though it's down, the public option is not out. "The public option is on the march," Rockefeller said.

I've been live-tweeting the debate here.



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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 10/14/2009

As a Canadian sitting over here watching with great interest your country's bid to provide health care to all I can't help but be disappointed in President Obama. Where are the convictions he so loudly proclaimed about health care for every American? Why is he allowing the right to disrupt his vision for the US? Speaking of "the right" it seems to me the Democrats policies are [compared to us here in Canada] very middle of the road leaning to the right...
What in god's name is your country's absolute terror of the word "socialism"? And from the many articles and news shows I watch they don't even have an understanding of the word.
I had such great hopes for the country and the world when Mr. Obama was elected but now as I watch the rights racist disregard for not only Mr. Obama but the office of The President I am saddened that the deomocrats have and are allowing this situation to continue. The right is outnumbered for heaven's sake. Get in there and don't let the Republican's and Lobbyists win....oth­erwise it will be your downfall.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 10/02/2009
- omalley313 I'm a Fan of omalley313 22 fans permalink
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agree with your post. How's the real estate market up by you ? ... got to get my passport ready. :(

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 10/15/2009

I am so ashamed of the Democratic party that I can no longer contribute to the re-election of this corrupt party. I shall send no more contributions until you pass decent health care reform.
I and many other Democrats in this nation are seriously considering changing our affiliation from Democrat to Green party or Independent. We cannot see lending support to a party that has failed so miserably to achieve what they were given ample means to achieve. The depth of corruption and sleaze in Congress and the Senate is truly astounding. Please do not ask me for any money for Democrats at any level until they show they can achieve Single Payer Health care, employee free choice, meaningful environmental reform and finance & banking laws that make sense.
I have registered hundreds of voters here in North San Diego County for the last four years and we were succeeding in turning the county Democratic Blue. Now I would be ashamed to ask people to support this corrupt political machine. I am asking every Democrat I can reach to stop all campaign contributions and to re-register as either Green or Independent. So far I have received nothing but agreement in reply. This is the end of automatic support for a party that has been bribed to work against the people. Straighten up, politicians - or go home.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 10/02/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

I don't give money to the DNC. I give money to the democrats who care about citizens, like Kucinich, Sanders, etc.. The Primaries are where we need to concentrate e this election. Rahm and the LDC corporatist conservative pro war dems lied their way into office. We need to remove all LDC DINO's in the primaries. This will be tricky, since they lie. But now we have MoveOn, and the internet so we can research the candidates for clues as to their real agenda.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 10/04/2009
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Prioritizing lobbyist's interests at the public's expense is obliterating the working class.

Any political party that perpetuates the hardships of its constituents by failing to pass a health care bill that offers affordable heath care to all, and eliminates insurance industry abuse, will be unseated. vote Nov 2, 2010.


Public Option. Now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 10/02/2009

Medicare is an existing public health care plan and is allegedly going broke.
Govt has all infrastructure and historic data on cost to insure each senior.

Offer the medicare plan as is to individuals, families and businesses as the public option plan. Mark up the cost of the premiums so medicare does not go broke.

Insurance companies can still sell supplemental policies and premium insurance policies.

Cut the bill going through congress down from 1000 pages of lobbying lawyersleaze and get it out of the corrupt power mongers to a simple amendment of the existing medicare program.

Kill 2 birds with one stone...
Seems logical and simple enough.. what am i missing besides the pork?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 10/02/2009

I'm with Steven Cobert, start sending all your unpaid bills to these Senators who are 'strongly' opposing a public option. They are getting money from the insurance companies and should be able to pay them for us. Also, every time someone sends a bill, send a copy to the local newspaper! If that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/02/2009
- sepiasiren I'm a Fan of sepiasiren 122 fans permalink
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We need to gear up and protest--if the public option does not pass we should one up the town hall screamers and let the Rethugs know they screwed up royally and won't even possibly get into the white house again for centuries.­...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 10/02/2009
- RenePA I'm a Fan of RenePA 12 fans permalink

I'm so angry it's difficult to type anything other than curse words.

The American people voted FOR Public Healthcare when they elected Barack Obama into office. The healthcare option was a huge part of his stump speeches that drove people to standing ovations - by the thousands, and hundreds of thousands.

How dare Congress not give the American people what they voted for?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 10/02/2009

Public Option is a no-go. What most people don't realize is... it was known from the beginning that the public option would just be a leverage tool. However, it did not work!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 10/02/2009
- Waltfl I'm a Fan of Waltfl 50 fans permalink
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Here is a good one. As one of his constituents, I wrote a letter two days ago, and let Nelson have it. I got a reply today. They make it sound as if he voted for public option! I can't believe it! How stupid they think we are?

"..…

A public insurance plan may be down, but it's not out.

As The New York Times reported on Wednesday, the Senate Finance
Committee rejected two Democratic proposals to create a government
insurance plan to keep private insurers in check.

Leadership tells me one of those plans, by Senator Schumer, still has
a shot at being included in the final bill. And that's the plan I voted
for. I believe it offers help for consumers through fair competition to
private insurers.

While it was defeated in the committee by 13-10, Senator Schumer
promised right after the vote he'll keep fighting to get his proposal in
the broader health care bill. He'll have my continued backing.

We're going to keep fighting to make health insurance available and
affordable for all Americans.

Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 10/01/2009
- ladyvader I'm a Fan of ladyvader 87 fans permalink
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He voted no on the more fiscal amendment in Rockefeller's and voted yes on the watered down amendment of Schumer's.

How water down does it have to go to get the votes? I am really worried.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 10/01/2009

Don't feel too bad. Both Dem and Repubs treat their constituents like mo.rons.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 10/02/2009
- mtracy9 I'm a Fan of mtracy9 199 fans permalink

I just signed a petition demanding that the U.S. Congress allow a public option-----:

Click here to sign: http://bit.ly/1MOpFS

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 10/01/2009

I understand you want to do something, but signing on-line petitions are NOT the way to go. Most of them are nothing more than email collection sites. They collect as many as they can so they can sell to another scumbucket!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 10/02/2009
- sepiasiren I'm a Fan of sepiasiren 122 fans permalink
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Online petitions are never really take seriously or counted--I never sign them...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 10/02/2009
- jimf1673 I'm a Fan of jimf1673 4 fans permalink

Petitions are worthless. Nobody who can do anything about this (or any other subject) reads, considers, or does anything as the result of a petition. They are ignored. What is boils down to is you can't do anything about it but be mad, and/or call your congressma­n's/senato­r's office in person.

Simple as this --- They are purchased by the insurance company lobbyists. They work for them. After they fool you in to giving them your vote, then you are ignored. They really don't care what you think.

Later, they will be back asking for your vote again. So who is the fool now? There is nothing you can do but don't vote for this person. Instead, vote for the new person. Then, the lobbyist purchasing department starts all over again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 10/02/2009
- mtracy9 I'm a Fan of mtracy9 199 fans permalink

To contribute to the ad targeting Max "Judas" Baucus, go here:

http://boldprogressives.org/home.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 10/01/2009
- Rapier I'm a Fan of Rapier 9 fans permalink

How can you call him Judas. He gets huge dollar support from the industry and he protects their interests. He is loyalty personified.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 10/01/2009

To ObamaFan02 needs to do some serious homework. Consider this ObamaFan..­..

I just returned from Spain. While there I inquired about insulin at a major pharmacy. The following proves how we are being grossly overcharged in the USA. The boxes had expiry dates into 2012 and are not fake. Over the counter and insurance is not involved.

Lantus Solostar Insulin Pen - Manufactured by Sanofi-Aventis
1 box of 5 (3 months supply)
Spanish Pharmacy (European Union) - Euro 76.95 = $112.22 over the counter.
Target Pharmacy price retail = $197.49 over the counter with prescription
Medicare Rx supplemental insurance (United Health Scam) = $190 (I pay)

Humolog Insulin Pen - Manufactured by Eli Lilly
1 box of 5 (3 months supply)
Spanish Pharmacy (European Union) - Euro 68.00 = $99.17.
Target Pharmacy price retail = $201.49 over the counter with prescription
Medicare Rx supplemental insurance (United Health Scam) = $190 (I pay. The plan surely doesn't pay anything)

Since I am a senior, I am 'privileged' to get AARP Medicare Rx supplemental insurance through United Health

Grand Totals:-
Price for 3 months supply
Spanish Pharmacy (European Union) over the counter no insurance costs - Grand Total = $211.39
Target Pharmacy over the counter - Grand Total = $398.98
Medicare (United Health Scam) incl 3 months insurance premium - Grand Total = $477.50

That tells me that the enormous difference I have to pay to United Health goes toward insurance execs, obscene marketing tactics and our grasping politicians

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 10/01/2009
- ladyvader I'm a Fan of ladyvader 87 fans permalink
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That is the reason Phama doesn't not want it where Americans can get their prescriptions out of country. They want all the money for themselves and screw us, the consumer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 10/01/2009
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Is there anyway HP can send this to the congress
if some of the congressman heard the trO11s arguements they would realize who the Crazies REALLY are

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 10/01/2009

It will be a total sell-out and disgrace if our leaders do not pass health reform legislation with a solid public option. I am prepared to take to the streets in protest if they continue to ignore the stated will of the people they have been elected to represent. President Obama, it's more than time for you to take up the reins of leadership. Whatever happened to, "Yes, we can!" Was that just another campaign slogan? Are you just like all the rest of the "bought and paid for" politicos? I truly, sincerely hope that you will demonstrate by your actions that you are much more than that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/01/2009
- sepiasiren I'm a Fan of sepiasiren 122 fans permalink
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I think Obama is trying to make all sides happy which he cannot. They will call him names anyway so he needs to stand behind the Public option he initiated or I will be one pissed libbie...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 10/01/2009
- ObamaFan02 I'm a Fan of ObamaFan02 6 fans permalink

Finally our Democratic Party has wised up and eliminated the public option. Common sense and intelligence is finally starting to win out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 10/01/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

Did you have something to say?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 10/01/2009
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