Obama Advisers Split On Afghanistan, Complicating His Decision

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LARA JAKES and ANDREW TAYLOR | 10/ 1/09 07:09 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to delay a face-to-face briefing from the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, who hours earlier had warned that al-Qaida terrorists could regain ground there if a new war plan isn't adopted soon.

Democrats rejected the call by one of the Senate's most hawkish Republicans to force Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal to personally explain his war strategy by Nov. 15.

Without McChrystal's testimony, "We don't have any input into the decision-making process," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., complained before the 59-40 party-line vote. "I mean, this is bizarre."

The Senate vote came as the Obama administration debates how best to fight the eight-year war in Afghanistan that McChrystal on Thursday termed "serious and deteriorating."

Last week, McChrystal gave the Pentagon a secret request for more U.S. troops to fight the war – a request that officials have said asks for as many as 40,000 additional military forces.

Top White House officials who long have resisted sending more troops to fight the terror-allied Taliban in Afghanistan instead are eyeing a new strategy to directly target al-Qaida with attacks from unmanned spy planes and covert forces in Pakistan.

Senate Democrats said President Barack Obama should be allowed to settle on a strategy before forcing McChrystal to testify. Defense Secretary Robert Gates agreed in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., calling it "inappropriate" for McChrystal to explain his request before it's even considered.

On Wednesday, Obama chaired a meeting of his top military and national security advisers, pressing them for their views on how to proceed in Afghanistan. The talks revealed the emerging fault lines within the administration, with military commanders supporting the current strategy of targeting the Taliban and other key officials divided.

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While senators Thursday debated whether to order McChrystal to Washington, the general was warning a London audience that Afghan insurgents are gathering strength.

He said more troops would "buy time" as Afghan military and police forces prepare for taking control of their nation's security by 2013. But without more troops, NATO's military mission is far from assured, he said.

McChrystal is commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

"A strategy that does not leave Afghanistan in a stable position is probably a shortsighted strategy," McChrystal told British academics and security specialists at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a London-based think-tank.

He added: "We went there to destroy al-Qaida, and to a great degree that has happened. Now we are preventing its return."

Obama and his national security team will meet twice again next week for three-hour meetings to consider the best strategy, said McChrystal's immediate boss, Gen. David Petraeus, head of the U.S. Central Command.

Petraeus, who is participating in the meetings, on Thursday said he has not endorsed McChrystal's request for more troops or other resources, and did not signal whether he ultimately would. Petraeus was speaking at an Atlantic Council forum in Washington.

He indicated it would not be a long wait, as the troops request would be considered "in short order."

Pentagon officials say the final strategy could be a hybrid plan of defeating the Taliban and targeting al-Qaida instead of an either-or choice.

Talking to reporters Thursday about what worked in Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno said that securing and winning over the local population was a necessary part of fighting al-Qaida. The first part is known by the military as a counterinsurgency strategy, while the second is called counterterrorism.

"You have to have both, combined," Odierno, top U.S. commander in Iraq, told a Pentagon news conference.

He did not mention Afghanistan.

WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to delay a face-to-face briefing from the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, who hours earlier had warned that al-Qaida terrorists could regain ground ther...
WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to delay a face-to-face briefing from the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, who hours earlier had warned that al-Qaida terrorists could regain ground ther...
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- countfloyd I'm a Fan of countfloyd 14 fans permalink

Without McChrystal's testimony, "We don't have any input into the decision-making process," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., complained before the 59-40 party-line vote. "I mean, this is bizarre."

Is he wrong?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 10/01/2009

Is Rahm Emanuel the President, and not Barack Obama?

I am disgusted by the President's delay in deciding quickly on the troop increase issue. Why wasn't he in constant contact with Gen. McChrystal, before the General was forced to go public.
Yet, here waltzes off Mr. Obama to Copenhagen to lobby for Chicago, as payback to his rich sleazy Chicago supporters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 10/01/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 33 fans permalink

This sounds so familiar . . .
all we need is a few more thousand more troops,
and another few more thousand, and another, and another, and another . . .

and we will WIN this Vietnam War!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 10/01/2009

With the military supporting more troops for their abysmal failure in Afghanistan, is a military coup in the works if they don't get their way? With a triumvirate of tyrants in uniform replacing Obama while he and the Mrs are in Copenhagen pushing Chicago?

I can just see the amoeba-like intellects on the radical right raising that old favorite bloody shirt they pull out of their chamber of horross every time they think the Democrats are weak on security and defense of the nation. This time it will be "How did we LOSE Afghanistan?" , or "A nest of traitors in the State Department and operating in the White House West Wing has left us undefended and unprotected from our enemies!!!"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 10/01/2009
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 19 fans permalink
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The President has a lot of smart people around him as well as being smart himself. I favor using technology to fight this new enemy and use good old American smarts and not so much human life and limb. Let's make Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas, Gruman, Motorola and the rest of them actually earn some money with useful technology to fight the Taliban and other terroists. I am confident the President will make the right decision and not the popular decision.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 10/01/2009

Either give the troops what they need or get all troops out of the country. This is starting to feel like the Vietnam conflict.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 10/01/2009
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I didn't know Hillary was such a warhawk. What a pleasant suprise to see Rham Emannuel on the other side of this issue opposite hillary's position

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/01/2009
- arizonabay I'm a Fan of arizonabay 15 fans permalink
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How are different opinions a hindrance, what you want a bunch of yes men?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/01/2009

One of the ironies of the information age is that the amount of attention paid to a person’s viewpoint appears to vary inversely with their expertise on the subject. A haunting example of a real expert modestly but in detail but which has not made a dent in the liberal blogosphere is Rory Stewart on Afghanistan an interview on Bill Moyers show, which can be found at http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09252009/watch.html.

Stewart states that it would be a “political catastrophe” for President Obama not to accede to General McChrystal request for more troops, even though Stewart believes the build up is a mistake. Having asked for an expert opinion on war (discretely leaked), Obama has put himself in a box. Even worse, Stewart notes that this request for more troops will almost certainly be followed by requests for far more.

McChrystal (aka Petraeus) is trying to nail the box shut in public statements rejecting a strategy based upon the limited goals President Obama has laid out. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/world/asia/02general.html

Unfortunately, Stewart is certainly right that Obama will be called nothing short of a traitor if fails to salute sharply and follow orders. If he doesn’t, McChrystal might carry out the implicit threat to resign, which would set off a political firestorm.

One idea: send Colin Powell to Afghanistan for a reassessment. Powell failed his country on Iraq and may be eager to redeem himself.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 10/01/2009
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Excellent post. I like your idea of sending Colin Powell to reassess. I wonder if Powell would do it if asked. I certainly trust him over Gen. Macarthur.­.. I mean McChrystal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 10/01/2009
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I just watched the Rory Stewart interview. Thank you so much for posting the link. I wish President Obama had taken advice from this remarkable man from the very start of his administration. I've got to read his book now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/01/2009
- aware4O I'm a Fan of aware4O 12 fans permalink

You wrote : Unfortunately, Stewart is certainly right that Obama will be called nothing short of a traitor if fails to salute sharply and follow orders


salute sharply and follow orders? what?

the president sets the mission and the military comes up with a strategy to carry out the mission. if the strategy does not turn out successful, the president is bound to look for another strategy THAT WILL SUCCEED. Before committing to increasing troops, the president GOT to carefully look for the bigger picture, which the military does not always forsee. What are the political, social, economical impacts in the US and in Afghan/Pakistan? Nato is there also. Are they with us all the way? How about the billions we commit there? Too many questions to factor in together for a successful strategy. The thing is not as easy as " the general asks for troops and the president must follow orders"

What?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 10/01/2009
- tyger I'm a Fan of tyger 19 fans permalink

Just pick up Bin from Pakistan and get our troops home. Only a fool does the same things hoping for different results. Pres Obama do not take on the errors of Bush. The troops fought valiantly and deserve to come home honorably.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 10/01/2009
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Our military is stacked with Bushbots since all the good brass retired rather than go along

with the paranoia and outright theft of our wealth to benefit the Christo-fascists who got the contracts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 10/01/2009
- grf67 I'm a Fan of grf67 36 fans permalink

The military and republicans do not make policy. Decide what our interests are, find out what can actually be done (not hopeful guesses) and give the orders. If the military balks, get some new commanders who know how to follow orders. If the administration cannot manage these, Obama will be a one term president.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/01/2009

The key word here is "decide." Obama delays decisions, because he has never had to make more important ones other than how to win campaigns.

Now he has to do something that it is politically dicey. So he can't decide.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 10/01/2009
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You are one weird babe. The fact that you are personally challenged by getting beyond your profound hatred of Obama is not so bad, as it is observable. But you make statements which are just untrue. Perhaps you can watch Beck, I think he's on the air right now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 10/01/2009

Bush abdicated his responsibilities as Commander in Chief and let the military (and Dick Cheney) decide what our policy in Iraq was. Obama understands that our constitution puts the responsibility for foreign policy, including war, into civilian hands.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/01/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
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Too many hawks in this administra­tion......­,

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 10/01/2009
- rain33 I'm a Fan of rain33 23 fans permalink
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face political pressure from your voters!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/01/2009
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