Wells Fargo Accused Of Pocketing The Difference When Customers Make ATM Math Errors

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First Posted: 10- 1-09 11:41 AM   |   Updated: 10- 1-09 12:15 PM

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Three of the biggest banks in the country -- Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chase -- all touted their decisions last week to reduce overdraft fees amid criticism from lawmakers and growing public frustration.

But plenty of fees - from foreign currency surcharges to balance transfer fees - are still being charged by most banks, which are expected to make $38.5 billion from overdraft fees alone this year, according to economist Michael Moebs who tracks the industry.

And Wells Fargo, which received $25 billion in bailout funds last fall, is now being accused of taking advantage of customers who make math errors on ATM deposits through a little-known policy.

According to a class-action suit filed in San Diego Superior Court, Wells Fargo customer Brandi McLay says that when she and other customers have made ATM deposits and mistakenly entered a dollar amount lower than the amount of the cash or checks on the keypad, the bank "pockets the difference," as first reported by Courthouse News Service.

McLay claims that when such "Under-inputs" are below than $10, the bank retains the money under an "Excess Funds Retention Policy."

McLay's lawyer, David Gallo, says that the bank has not responded to the complaint.

A Wells Fargo spokesperson declined comment on pending litigation but emphasized that the bank does not charge such a fee, telling Huffington Post: "We do not assess a fee in such a case, if the customer makes a mistake."

But Gallo says he has reason to believe "that it has occurred to many people," most of whom were unaware that the bank kept their money since the amounts were so small.

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Such a policy is not unique to banks - the Pennsylvania State Employees Credit Union charges a $1 processing fee when depositors make math errors, according to a spokesman. The PSECU Website describes ATM deposit adjustment charges (e.g., entry errors, math errors, deposit incorrect endorsements) but the spokesman emphasized that refers to pass-through fees when their members go to other financial institutions and make entry errors. "Our general philosophy is to try to limit fees whenever possible because it's not in our interest to make money off of our members," said the spokesman.

Consumer advocates at the Consumer Federation of American and the National Consumer Law Center had never heard of such a policy at banks and credit unions. "That surprises me," says Mark E. Budnitz, a law professor affiliated with the NCLC. "Banks keep adding more and more fees, according to various studies, and they are supposed to disclose all those fees."

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- nyobserver I'm a Fan of nyobserver 2 fans permalink

The banks are in business to take customers' deposits. It's a core service they provide to accept deposits. How can they possibly charge extra, when their customers do all or most of the work involved? What's left for them to do? Why even open the doors for business, if they're going to charge extra for handling your deposits?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/04/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 51 fans permalink
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This hit a nerve. Most of my money is with Wells Fargo, thanks to Wachovia.

An hour ago I went to the bank to transfer some money to MoldAgroIndBank. The fee for a simple electronic transfer amounted to enough to buy dinner for two. If I transfer from MoldAgro to Wells Fargo, they hit me with a 9.50$ charge (for accepting my money), plus give me the lowest exchange rate in the previous 30 days, even if that rate existed for only 20 minutes. And don't even think about using their debit or credit cards outside the U.S. I made the mistake of using their debit card to pull 200$ out of an ATM in Odessa and it cost me 224.50$.

The next time I am in the states I will close everything with them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/02/2009

The fact of the matter is the 4 worst banks in the country right now are (in order)

1) Wells Fargo
2) Chase
3) Bank of America
4) US Bank

It's no surprise that these also happen to be the 4 largest, because being ruthless, bad, and shady is profitable. They gobble up banks with good reputations (Wachovia, Washington Mutual, ML, MBNA, etc.) and continue to grow on the backs of shady business practices.

And all the while, everybody complains about them and how horrible they are....while carrying around one of their debit cards or credit cards in their wallets. Banking is the epitome of a consumer driven industry, but the consumers continue to bend themselves over the bar and ask the banks to stick it in them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 10/02/2009
- Hdaryl01 I'm a Fan of Hdaryl01 29 fans permalink
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Uh......CI­TIBANK....­..?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 10/02/2009

Citi is pretty tame. Most people who have bad experiences with them have such experiences because they aren't payinug their debts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 10/02/2009
- NHGranite I'm a Fan of NHGranite 55 fans permalink
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WF pulled a mortgage scam on me. One of us was out of work for a year, the other was ill. Called WF to ask for help. Instead they sent a letter freezing our equity line, not because I called, but because the value of our home dropped 70% since we had financed with them a year ago. Why 70%? because our mortgage and equity loan with them were so low, they had to make sh!# up. After I got that straightened out after a report to the Feds, we tried the Making Home Affordable program. In order to qualify, we would have to miss more than 2 payments. Ruin your credit forever to save your credit: makes sense (not)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 10/01/2009

I fail to see the s.cam here. What I see is osmeone who wasn't very smart with a purchase (you) who was hoping for a free handout and couldn't get it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 10/02/2009
- NHGranite I'm a Fan of NHGranite 55 fans permalink
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Built the house 10 years ago. Didn't ask for a handout, just advice on what we could do to keep up the payments, like a refi. The BS about the low value was the scam. Freezing our equity line based on the fake low value was the scam. Free handout for being unemployed and in kidney failure is exactly what the govt programs are for.

The banks got a free handout, and that's ok with you?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 10/02/2009
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Do not worry, this will all be rectified soon. President Obama said change is coming and I believe him.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 10/01/2009
- Hdaryl01 I'm a Fan of Hdaryl01 29 fans permalink
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Yea.....

The checks in the mail.......

I'll respect you in the morning.......

I won't come in your mouth.......

Famous, yet popular lies. All of them.

The more things CHANGE, the more they seem THE SAME.......

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 10/01/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 51 fans permalink
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I don't. Banks have too much power for one man to change it. He has to get buy-in on this. He can from the people, but not congress. They are bought and paid for.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 10/02/2009
- nyobserver I'm a Fan of nyobserver 2 fans permalink

How long do you plan to hold your breath?

Or was that a facetious comment? If so, um yeah. Couldn't agree with you more.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 10/04/2009
- Enigma2008 I'm a Fan of Enigma2008 6 fans permalink

Our company has major checking account with Wachovia. I found a deposit error of a few odd dollars & cents. Bank did not correct the error and send a notice as most we dealt with in the past on many locations did. Following up I found that the "charge" to correct the error was more than the error. So they took the money and I had to adjust it off our books.

This is probably huge and Wells Fargo

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 10/01/2009
- nualak I'm a Fan of nualak 3 fans permalink

This is robbery. If a bank can't adjust an error when they run a deposit through their high-tech equipment and their clerks, then they shouldn't be in the business. It is not that many years ago that a bank would send a notice to a customer that an error was made on a deposit and they would automatically adjust the deposit. There was no fee for this. HAS THE WORLD GONE TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET, ALL IN THE NAME OF GREED.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 10/02/2009
- Hdaryl01 I'm a Fan of Hdaryl01 29 fans permalink
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OK, how many of you folks who complain so much about the too big to fail fee mongering banks like Wells Fargo, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, and Citibank:

1) Invest in Apartheid?
2) Hunt, kill, and eat endangered species?
3) Purchase blood diamonds?
4) Buy illegal Ivory and Rhino horn?
5) Support companies that produce goods with slave labor in third world countries?

Then why in the hell do you still do business with these vicious parasites? Fire these banks. Today. You are morally obligated to. They are DESTROYING the lives of your family members, friends, and neighbors.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 10/01/2009
- kyosaku I'm a Fan of kyosaku 10 fans permalink
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I used to bank with BofA and I for one do know that the allegations are true. I had heard about this practice years ago when I was still a customer of theirs. I did an experiment, on my own, and put $11 in an envelope with $10 entered on the deposit slip. I put the envelope into the ATM (so that I would have a receipt) and entered $11 deposit on the input screen. The following day I checked through my online account and sure enough, only $10 was put into the account. I'm sure that someone pocketed the money. As to whether or not they have more than one person count the deposits, I have no idea. I just know that I was out the additional $1.(Also wanted to state, did not join BofA. Originally banked with Security Pacific (great bank) before they were taken over by BofA.)

I moved my account to a credit union years ago and when I make an addition error, they either substract the error or give me credit if it's in my favor.

Please people, don't let these robber barons take your hard earned money. Just say NO to these big banks. Your power lies with the ones you do business with. Most credit unions work with you, not against you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 10/01/2009

I boycotted US bank in 1997 after they charged me $18.00 for $0.43 overdraw. I went to savings acccount only with a small bank until it was taken over by Sterling. I bought my house without a checking account! The home lender agreed that I'd be more likely to pay my mortgage if I weren't charged overdraft and other banking fees. I switched to a credit union and they have never charged me a single fee. I finally opened a checking account with them so I would have a debit Visa card because I refuse to have credit cards. The debit card allows me to buy things as if I had a credit card which is sometimes useful.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 10/01/2009
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The solution is simple. Cut up your cards, take all your money out these banks and move your business over to your local credit union. Quit complaining and just do something about it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 10/01/2009
- TeejMan I'm a Fan of TeejMan 3 fans permalink
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It's called fraud.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 10/01/2009
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AUTOMATE BANKS OUT OF EXISTENCE!

Replace this FLOW:

Government Source Money >>> Near 0% >>> WS Banks >>>> 6% to 36% >>> Consumers+Business

With this FLOW:

Government Source Money >>> Near 0% >>> Consumers+Business

WHY NOT?

98% of CREDIT Rating Agencies should be REPLACED BY Automated Ratings using Standardized Formulas!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 10/01/2009
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lol "Excess Funds Retention Policy".

It wasn't robbery, Your Honor; the person I robbed is rich: I'm retaining his excess funds!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 10/01/2009
- marbou I'm a Fan of marbou 2 fans permalink

So that's what Jessie James did, "excess funds retention".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 10/01/2009
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At the Pentagon Credit Union they call it enhanced retention of funds.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 10/01/2009
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Bank error in their favor.

Do not collect $200.00

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 10/01/2009
- BryantG I'm a Fan of BryantG 44 fans permalink
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and never pass Go again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 10/01/2009
- indy100 I'm a Fan of indy100 23 fans permalink
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More reasons not to deal with Banks, ever. Bank with a credit union; locally owned, lower fees, better loan rates. Why anyone would want to deal with a large corporate bank is beyond me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 10/01/2009
- rmonroe I'm a Fan of rmonroe 6 fans permalink
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Gee, I can't figure out why so many people HATE BANKS nowadays.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 10/01/2009
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