Conservative Dems, GOP Senators Lobby To Delay Health Reform

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First Posted: 10- 7-09 01:35 PM   |   Updated: 10- 7-09 04:24 PM

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Republican and conservative Democrat lawmakers revived a push Wednesday for the kind of delay to health care reform that a GOP senator admitted was partly designed to give lobbyists the time they'd need to make the changes they want.

Six Republican senators led by Jim Bunning of Kentucky introduced a "transparency resolution" Wednesday that would force the Senate to wait to consider any bill until it had been posted online with a cost analysis from the Congressional Budget Office for at least 72 hours. The Bunning bill is essentially a stand-alone version of an amendment he proposed for inclusion in the finance committee bill, which Democrats shot down on the grounds that the bill was moving slowly enough. Committee hearings have been postponed since Tuesday as lawmakers await the CBO projections.

Earlier Wednesday, seven conservative Democratic senators -- plus Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) -- sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid asking for the same 72-hour window for the committee health reform and a final reform bill. Authored by Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, the only Democrat to vote for Bunning's amendment in committee, the letter cites the wide-ranging effects of health care reform generally and public confusion regarding the details of emerging reform legislation.

Both groups of senators cite the importance of the bill and constituents' desire for input as motivating factors. "We believe the American public's participation in this process is critical to our overall success," reads the Democrats' letter. "At a time when trust in Congress and the U.S. government is unprecedentedly low, we can begin to rebuild the American people's faith in their federal government through transparency and by actively inviting Americans to participate in the legislative process."

A fundamental purpose of the Bunning bill, Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) admitted during debate on the finance committee, was to give "the people that the providers have hired to keep up with all of the legislation" -- i.e. lobbyists from the health industry -- some breathing room.

"The thing I'm trying to point out," Roberts said in defense of the Bunning amendment, "is that we would have at least 72 hours for the people that the providers have hired to keep up with all of the legislation that we pass around here, and the regulations that we pass around here, to say, 'Hey, wait a minute. Have you considered this?' That's all I'm asking for."

Joining Bunning at his press conference Wednesday were GOP Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Mike Crapo (Idaho), David Vitter (Louis.), Mike Johanns (Neb.) and James Risch (Idaho).

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The Lincoln letter was signed by Lieberman and Democratic Sens. Evan Bayh (Ind.), Mary Landrieu (Louis.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mark Pryor (Va.) and Jim Webb (Va.). Nelson led an earlier attempt to petition Reid for a delay back in July, but that letter failed to materialize. Wednesday's letter appears in full below:

Dear Leader Reid:


As you know, Americans across our country have been actively engaged in the debate on health care reform. Whether or not our constituents agree with the direction of the debate, many are frustrated and lacking accurate information on the emerging proposals in Congress. Without a doubt, reforming health care in America is one of the most monumental and far-reaching undertakings considered by this body in decades. We believe the American public's participation in this process is critical to our overall success of creating a bill that lowers health care costs and offers access to quality and affordable health care for all Americans.

Every step of the process needs to be transparent, and information regarding the bill needs to be readily available to our constituents before the Senate starts to vote on legislation that will affect the lives of every American. The legislative text and complete budget scores from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) of the health care legislation considered on the Senate floor should be made available on a website the public can access for at least 72 hours prior to the first vote to proceed to the legislation. Likewise, the legislative text and complete CBO scores of the health care legislation as amended should be made available to the public for 72 hours prior to the vote on final passage of the bill in the Senate. Further, the legislative text of all amendments filed and offered for debate on the Senate floor should be posted on a public website prior to beginning debate on the amendment on the Senate floor. Lastly, upon a final agreement between the House of Representatives and the Senate, a formal conference report detailing the agreement and complete CBO scores of the agreement should be made available to the public for 72 hours prior to the vote on final passage of the conference report in the Senate.

By publicly posting the legislation and its CBO scores 72 hours before it is brought to a vote in the Senate and by publishing the text of amendments before they are debated, our constituents will have the opportunity to evaluate these policies and communicate their concerns or their message of support to their Members of Congress. As their democratically-elected representatives in Washington, D.C., it is our duty to listen to their concerns and to provide them with the chance to respond to proposals that will impact their lives. At a time when trust in Congress and the U.S. government is unprecedentedly low, we can begin to rebuild the American people's faith in their federal government through transparency and by actively inviting Americans to participate in the legislative process.

We respectfully request that you agree to these principles before moving forward with floor debate of this legislation. We appreciate your serious consideration and look forward to working with you on health care reform legislation in the weeks ahead.

Sincerely,

Senator Blanche L. Lincoln
Senator Evan Bayh
Senator Mary L. Landrieu
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman
Senator Claire McCaskill
Senator Ben Nelson
Senator Mark L. Pryor
Senator Jim Webb


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- spd I'm a Fan of spd permalink

I watched the video: "Bill Moyers Exposes Max Baucus Advisers And Other Lobbyists". It's an important and telling interview on the power and influence of medicne for profit lobbies. Please view and pass it on. http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/10/10/must-see-video-bill-moyers-exposes-max-baucus-advisers-and-other-lobbyists/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 10/11/2009
- JePense I'm a Fan of JePense 14 fans permalink

Is the bill available online?
Does anyone have a link"?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 10/08/2009
- JePense I'm a Fan of JePense 14 fans permalink

Many thanks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 10/17/2009

IWhile I believe in the intrinsic value of public input and initially waiting for everyone to understand the bill and/or amendments, hasn't that ship already sailed? The time to make the idea of health reform understood has long passed. The repubs and blue dog dems have done such a great job of misleading and muddying the waters that more time won't solve anything but allow more input from lobbyists. And isn't it time we stood up against the lobbyists? I would love a list of those specifically targeting healthcare reform. Could we get a petition started and have all of us sign it and send to our legislators? we've done it with Beck's advertisers, can de do it with lobbyists? Let's publicly call them out. any thoughts?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 10/08/2009
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Well said

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 10/09/2009

We need to find challengers that will go up against these ConservaDems immediately.
The stinch of their pay off from the Health Care Industry and other Prostituting Industries that
line the pocketts of these Senators and elected official is too much to bear.

Since the American People have the larger voice we must cripple the Industries that have the White House bowing at their alter of worship.

Enough already. I am calling on All great minds that know how to form legitimate grass roots organizations that can take on the Health Care and Banking Industry that has this Nation by the throat.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/08/2009
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Third party, term limits and by God, Public financing.­..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 10/09/2009

There is no such thing as a conservative democrat, they are nothing more then desperate republicans that changed their party, so that they could win an election.
Vote them out, they along with the GOP are trying to destroy America.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 10/08/2009

Underlying arguments against the messy democratic process is a lack of belief in democracy itself. Of course it's a mess, of course interested parties are working to get what the believe to be the "best" legislation, of course Democrats are doing the same. But deliberation is how democracy is supposed to work. No matter how pressingly awesome you hope your bill is, there is really no excuse for demanding that the Senate vote on it before the public has a chance to find out what's in it. If the Democrats' health care legislation they support is the best, than it must survive the debate. No matter how you couch it in complaints about insidious lobbyists, it isn't the lobbyists who are making a naked grab for undemocratic power here.

So have the exact final legislation available for a few WEEKS! IF it is full of things the public wants and is willing to pay for it will gain overwhelming support in 3 or 4 weeks of full promotion, explanation and education by Democrats. And when the publics' collective voices raise up in support of the Democrats health care bill, the Republican Party will be destroyed! But Democrats all know this will not happen. The more their bad health care ideas are exposed to the public the more public support fails.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 10/08/2009
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"...it isn't the lobbyists who are making a naked grab for undemocratic power here."

You couldn't more incorrect about that and I refer you to an article that spells it out far better than I am able to:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23618.htm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 10/08/2009
- pam45 I'm a Fan of pam45 12 fans permalink

Blanch Lincoln is definitely out of control! She is not representing her constituents of Arkansas who want reform as well as a public option. Blanch continues to support the health care industry and that's a kick in the rear for Arkansans and the nation. Do people in America know how much financial support these members of Congress get from the health care industry which definitely shades their judgement in crafting bills?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 10/08/2009
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A moment of silence for those approximately 124 people who died yesterday, due to lack of access to health care since they were uninsured or had no money for it.

This just over 5 people an hour. About 1 every 10 minutes.

Maybe the funeral lobby is involved?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 10/08/2009
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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The more I see these lists of people who are trying to sabotage the first decent thing that our government has attempted to do for ordinary people in a long long time, the more I realize that the next time the south wants to secede,the rest of us should just let them do it. And take Missouri and Kansas with them. And, we'll throw in Montana and at least one of the Dakotas...­just leave.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 10/08/2009
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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I used to admire at least McCaskill and Webb. Not any more. I wonder how much they take from big health care corporations?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/08/2009

So what is your reasoned, principled argument against allowing actual legislation as it will be voted on, to be posted and made available to the public for 3 days before votes?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 10/08/2009
- davesf I'm a Fan of davesf 14 fans permalink

Ok, I'll play. Mainly, why don't they ask this for all the riders and amendments they typically add to bills at the last minute to get themselves some pork? They are trying to delay legislation at the behest of the corporations who pay them, nothing more. Unless they want this faux "transparency" for all bills, this is pretty obvious, no?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 10/08/2009
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How about because the U.S. is a representative democracy, not a direct? Where do you goofballs come from?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/08/2009
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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A democracy representative of WHAT? My guess it that it represents those big corporations who bribe elected officials to do their dirty work. It will be interesting to see the correlations between how much money these people take and how they vote.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 10/08/2009
- davesf I'm a Fan of davesf 14 fans permalink

More to the point, thank you! (dawlishgal, what tanner is saying is that it's not required or necessary to post proposed legislation for public viewing, since we've elected representatives to work legislation, supposedly following what they said they'd do if we elected them. To your point, the reason this is being held up is exactly because the corporate masters of these legislators are calling the shots.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 10/08/2009

You don't like representative democracy do you?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 10/08/2009
- GrandmaBEE I'm a Fan of GrandmaBEE 31 fans permalink
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Gives the conservatives, Rush, Fox etc.. time to make up enough lies to try and sink it. But not enough time to fight back.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 10/08/2009

Good, than have the exact final legislation available for a few WEEKS! IF it is full of things the public wants and is willing to pay for it will gain overwhelming support in 3 or 4 weeks of full promotion, explanation and education by Democrats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/08/2009
- davesf I'm a Fan of davesf 14 fans permalink

On their way to extinction, the remaining dinosaurs are flailing around in the tar pit, trumpeting loudly with no effect.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 10/08/2009
- Savanna I'm a Fan of Savanna 31 fans permalink

As a Democrat, there are no words to describe how I feel about Democrats working to hold back health care reform for an industry that is rotten to the core. It is truly disgraceful on their part. And I
sincerely hope when this is over that they are soundly defeated by another Democrat with more
backbone and moral character.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 10/08/2009
- GrandmaBEE I'm a Fan of GrandmaBEE 31 fans permalink
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I hope the people back home in their states are taking note of this. I don't see how they could not be aware of their Senators behavior. The cat is out of the bag. Now the just need to vote them gone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 10/08/2009
- alfatu I'm a Fan of alfatu 6 fans permalink

Don't these people know that they cannot continue to delay health care because delaying health care is delaying chances for survival for thousands of Americans for whom time is running out; and time is something they have no control over. What happened to compassionate conservatism?

As for Liebermann, he knows HIS time is running out; 2010 is just around the corner. He's exposed himself so much that he doesn't have a chance. This is his last stand. Connecticut, I hope you're watching Joe.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 10/08/2009
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