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NASA Moon Bombing: WATCH NASA's LCROSS Mission Crash The Moon (LIVE VIDEO, PHOTOS)

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:20 PM ET

Nasa Bomb Moon

*See video of NASA moon bombing and photos of LCROSS below*

WASHINGTON Take that, moon!

NASA smacked two spacecraft into the lunar south pole Friday morning in a search for hidden ice. Instruments confirm that a large empty rocket hull barreled into the moon at 7:31 a.m., followed four minutes later by a probe with cameras taking pictures of the first crash.

But initial photos show that the moon didn't give the reaction to the double jabs that NASA expected.

And the public definitely didn't get the live explosive views they may have anticipated from the mission called LCROSS, short for Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite.

Screens got fuzz and no immediate pictures of the crash or the six-mile plume of lunar dust that the mission was supposed to kick up for scientists to study. The public, which followed the crashes on the Internet and at observatories, seemed puzzled.

NASA officials touted loads of data from the probe and telescopes around the world and in orbit. But the crash photos and videos they offered at a morning news conference were few and showed little more than a fuzzy white flash.

Still, NASA scientists were happy.
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"This is so cool," said Jennifer Heldmann, coordinator for NASA's observation campaign. "We're thrilled."

The first photos and videos that NASA got didn't show any plumes. They may still be coming or there may not have been much of a visible plume for the probe and Earth-bound telescopes to see, said LCROSS scientist Anthony Colaprete.

"We saw a crater; we saw a flash, so something had to happen in between," Colaprete said. The crater was the aftermath of the crash and the flash was the impact itself.

The unexpected lack of pictures of a plume could be because the plume was at a different angle, hit slopes or wasn't high enough to show up, he said. Or the lunar soil could have compressed down and not tossed up as much dust as expected, he said.

Colaprete played down the importance of pictures of the plume. Far more important is light spectrum measurements taken but not yet analyzed to show if there is water or some form of water in what was tossed up. The scientific instruments that took those measurements worked perfectly, he said.

"What matters for us is: What is the nature of the stuff that was kicked up going in?" said NASA project manager Dan Andrews. "All nine instruments were working fine and we received good data."

Andrews said the science team is pouring through the information to answer the big question: Is there some form of water under the moon's surface that was dislodged? It will probably be two weeks before scientists will be certain about the answer, he said.

"This is going to change the way we look at the moon," NASA chief lunar scientist Michael Wargo said at the news conference.

Expectations by the public for live plume video were probably too high and based on pre-crash animations, some of which were not by NASA, Andrews told The Associated Press Friday morning 80 minutes after impact.

Another issue, one NASA thought was a good possibility going into Friday, was that the lighting was bad and work needs to be done on images to make them easier to see, Andrews said.

People who got up before dawn to look for the crash at Los Angeles' Griffith Observatory threw confused looks at each other instead. They tried to watch on TV because the skies in Southern California were not clear enough, but that proved disappointing, too.

Telescope demonstrator Jim Mahon called the celestial show "anticlimactic."

"I was hoping we'd see a flash or a flare, evidence of a plume," Mahon said.

About 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles, 70 elementary school students at the Lewis Center for Educational Research charter school in Apple Valley capped off their weeklong "moon camp" experience by rising early to watch NASA television along with 300 members of the public.

"It was cool seeing actual pictures of the moon live," said 10-year-old Jackson Bridges, but he added: "I wanted to see the debris flying out."

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Science Writer Alicia Chang contributed to this report from Los Angeles.



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04:31 AM on 10/13/2009
Every one just keep your panties on we had a a problem with our AFM scans from the platter of of a Hard disk drive.The laser was misaligned on the cantilever so we got some out of focused images.We should have used tapping mode.So give us a week and we will come up with something.T minus 9.
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TFlint
01:30 PM on 10/12/2009
"a rather haphazard, ill prepared scientific venture."
Scientists have been researching this for years. Millions of dollars have been sspent on research and analysis for this mission. But you object because, based on no research or evidence, you are right because you are you and therefore always wiser then the entire body of scientists.
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02:37 PM on 10/11/2009
Judging from some of these posts, I've offended the High Order of the Priests of Science! Touchy lot. Can't discuss much with them, if you don't wear the robes.
Listen guys, Sorry if I offended your sensibilities with my own personal theories and speculations. I would have hoped you to be secure enough in your own fields to not need to desend upon the first layman that could conceive or contribute any possible counter-truth to your empiric ultimate truths.
There's a universe of things out there that neither you or I understand or have knowledge on regardless of individual levels of education, interests or inclination.
To present oneself as though one has mastered every aspect of the physical sciences, would indicate your minds are already closed. To only speak or allow others to speak on matters which are certainties and beyond doubt, one renders oneself to appear mute.
You may very well have a superior grasp on the theoretics and practicum of certain sciences...this one in particular, perhaps. But based on your inter-personal social skills and social communicative comfort zones, I'm certain from some of these little exchanges we've had that there are no throngs of adroit admirers flocking to be around you at cocktail parties. Yours is a special elitism and smugness I have not before encountered. An educational experience I was not expecting. Nice "listening" to you. It was like a series of lectures, but with a bad attitude.
05:39 PM on 10/11/2009
I've looked through the various replies to your posts. Some people were a little bit rude but most were polite. If you say something that is clearly wrong and someone corrects you that is not smugness. I also noticed that you never bothered to really debate with anyone. You traded insults but when someone pointed out an obvious error or in one case a blatant contradiction you never acknowledged your mistake or offered other supporting evidence but instead offered more insults or said you weren't "a vulcan" who was bound by logic.

I agree, there is a universe of things that we don't know but this wasn't one of them. We know the effect that this experiment had on the moon (essentially none) and we know that the point of the experiment was not to create a cool light show.

Your latest post is an example of the anti-intellectual ignorance that is taking over this country. You clearly were wrong but rather than YOU actually listening you choose to slander the people who tried to explain a few things to you as elite and smug. Well when it comes to truth I am an elitist. I believe that people who know things have a responsibility to explain them, even to people who would rather engage in ad hominem attacks than learn something.
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07:01 PM on 10/11/2009
I didn't debate anyone because I didn't post as a means to engage in debate.
Nor am I now.
People see what they want to see and leaning on mass root assumptions, if enough like minded people agree, they have a tendency to call it "truth".
Your ability to hold on to static universal and unchanging truths based on collective perceptions, is an enviable characteristic that I do not share. It may prove to be my loss.
I appreciate your writing to again expose me to the errors of my ways.
I will take it under personal advisement.
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Tyrione
07:51 PM on 10/11/2009
If you're expecting a serious scientific conversation I recommend you have the background to pull it off and then not on this site. You go to scientific blogs for such discourse, but you wouldn't understand 99% of the terminology so it's pointless.
11:41 AM on 10/11/2009
You can tell a Scientist was in charge of the mission - Anyone else would have mounted the camera on the 2d craft to capture the impact of the 1st!
jdrourke
Please don't let my facts deflate your ignorance.
10:48 AM on 10/11/2009
Okay, so far, so good. The moon appears to still be in one piece...

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Lahonda
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06:53 PM on 10/10/2009
There will be a mass of recorded data to analyze. This is the "manned part" of an unmanned mission, guiding the computers through software created just in time for the effort.

... and said with absolutely no offense and many compliments to all the smarter women on the team.
07:57 PM on 10/10/2009
Huh? Manned space flight refers to sending humans into space. There is nothing about this mission that in any way constitutes such a mission.

Oh, and you are also wrong about the software. There may be some special software created for a mission but the vast majority of it consists of statistical packages, telemetry monitoring, real time control, and other software that has existed for quite a while.
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AtheistUS
09:30 PM on 10/10/2009
No reasons for misunderstanding: Lahonda clearly wrote

- the "manned part" of an unmanned mission -

you can see above these two symbols " and "; she referred not to men in spacesuits but to human effort to analyze obtained data.

Was it good allegory or bad, but it was not about a "Manned space flight".
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Hazelnut
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04:53 PM on 10/10/2009
Reading through some of the earlier comments, someone expressed disappointment that the images were fuzzy and in black and white, so unlike the images we get from the Hubble telescope. If you go to NASA's website and read about Hubble, you will learn that those amazing pictures we see are colorized. The original photos are in black and white. They colorize them to highlight images we cannot see with the naked eye. It's very fascinating to see, and read about.
In the above article they state that work needs to be done on the images, maybe by the time they have finished enhancing them, we may indeed have some amazing photos to see. I will look forward to that, but the important thing will be whether or not they can gather the data they needed.
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05:07 PM on 10/10/2009
I agree. The hubble shots of nebulae are spectacular. I didn't know they were b/w originally. But in spite of the brilliance colorization might bring to the "shoot the moon" pics...since the moon is a gray, colorless orb to begin with, what do you suppose inhibited the capture using b/w?
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Hazelnut
Dogs rule!
05:35 PM on 10/10/2009
I really don't have any idea, and from reading the article above, it sounds like they are unsure at this point as well. Hopefully, as they analize their findings they will be able to provide us with answers.
Some of the people who are commenting here really are science experts, I am not, I'm just someone who is fascinated by it all!
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AtheistUS
07:50 PM on 10/10/2009
"I didn't know they were b/w originally."

- That's the problem. I gave you advice to read back to this thread, but you ignored it). A page or two ago I explained to one somebody like you:

"Sorry to break this to you, as you seem fascinating by possibilities of some plum or color pictures, but all space agencies, including NASA, obtain often black and white pictures, or pictures artificially colored - colored accordingly to whatever they are interested to see. Some images may be obtained in infrared or ultraviolet, and then colored."

Other your questions or complaints (about defacing the moon or 'weaponizing' or whatever) also have been answered.

You keep saying that Moon has no water but you probably even did not google words like "found water Moon". You keep asking why and what for to look for so small amounts of water - but that's also had been answered.
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AtheistUS
09:39 PM on 10/10/2009
This mission was not really about making Moon pictures (after worries about kicking the Moon and spending money, questions about pics started to come up). Here, for example:

http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/faq.htm
http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/docs/LCROSS_FS082108.pdf

From the last link:

The LCROSS science payload consists of two near-infrared spectrometers, a visible light spectrometer, two mid-infrared cameras, two near-infrared cameras, a visible camera and a visible radiometer...

As the ejecta rises above the target crater’s rim and is exposed to sunlight, any water-ice, hydrocarbons or organics will vaporize and break down into their basic components. These components primarily will be monitored by the visible and infrared spectrometers. The near-infrared and mid-infrared cameras will determine the total amount and distribution of water in the debris plume. The spacecraft’s visible camera will track the impact location and the behavior of the debris plume while the visible radiometer will measure the flash created by the Centaur impact.
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04:16 PM on 10/10/2009
I've caused a great deal of amusement for a few posters who very much value NASA's attempt yesterday to literally "Shoot The Moon". My contention is that it was a boorish thing to do and a rather haphazard, ill prepared scientific venture. Here's why...and I quote from the article.
1. "The first photos and videos that NASA got didn't show any plumes." (Oops! Wasn't that precisely what all the measurments and grids and charts were for, lining up the shot? I guess not, huh.)
2. "Another issue, one NASA thought was a good possibility going into Friday, was that the lighting was bad and work needs to be done on images to make them easier to see" ( Can't get basic photography but the spectrum measuring device will be fine, I presume?)
3. (And here's my favorite...) "The unexpected lack of pictures of a plume could be because the plume was at a different angle, hit slopes or wasn't high enough to show up, he said. Or the lunar soil could have compressed down and not tossed up as much dust as expected, he said. ("Or...Or..Or..." This was a scientifically engineered and deployed experiment? See when you experiment...you begin with a hypothesis...)
Face it fellas. I got more. "Don't forget to tip the waitresses and try the veal".
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AtheistUS
04:29 PM on 10/10/2009
You amused us here enough. Time to write directly to NASA.
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04:51 PM on 10/10/2009
I've explained myself completely. You seem to be the one with questions...for me and my sanity at any rate...

"Come back any time, I'll be here all week."
06:50 PM on 10/10/2009
"The first photos and videos that NASA got didn't show any plumes." (Oops! Wasn't that precisely what all the measurments and grids and charts were for, lining up the shot? I guess not, huh.)"
You guess correctly. The point of this was NEVER to create plumes or any other shows to entertain people. It was to collect data, which this did.

"the lighting was bad and work needs to be done on images to make them easier to see" ( Can't get basic photography but the spectrum measuring device will be fine, I presume?)"
Same response as above.

"The unexpected lack of pictures of a plume could be because the plume was at a different angle, hit slopes or wasn't high enough to show up, he said. Or the lunar soil could have compressed down and not tossed up as much dust as expected, he said. ("Or...Or..Or..." This was a scientifically engineered and deployed experiment? See when you experiment...you begin with a hypothesis...)"
If you had any experience with actual science or engineering you would know that "or...or...or" is the norm for experiments. We don't know the answer ahead of time. So we almost always consider multiple alternatives. It may take some time for analysis to make everything clear on this particular experiment. Or maybe not, which would result in additional experiments. This is what makes it fun.
jdrourke
Please don't let my facts deflate your ignorance.
02:52 PM on 10/10/2009
If we can hit the moon with precision, why is bin Laden still alive...?

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RedDogBear
03:51 PM on 10/10/2009
Because Bin Laden is not in a fixed, totally predictable orbit around the earth.
04:27 PM on 10/10/2009
Ben Laden died years ago. Have you noticed that since the change government, Ben Laden is suddenly silent?
01:27 PM on 10/10/2009
Well, that was a waste of time and taxpayers money.
01:49 PM on 10/10/2009
How so?
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04:32 PM on 10/10/2009
Because, when we had astronauts land there in 1969, they brought back rocks and dust, not vegetables or micro-organisms....or water!
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AtheistUS
04:26 PM on 10/10/2009
At least you have chosen nick name well.
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05:09 PM on 10/10/2009
"If you haven't anything nice to say..."
06:52 PM on 10/10/2009
My thought exactly.
01:23 PM on 10/10/2009
What I find odd is that, with all the land-based telescopes watching this event, I could not find one image of the actual impact, during a cursory scan of the internet. I figured it would be pretty easy to find such an image. From all the authoritative commentary prior to the event, such a visual confirmation should have been easily obtainable, with a powerful enough telescope.

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04:31 PM on 10/10/2009
Nonsense. The Moon is very far away and although the explosion would feel very large if you were next to it, it is really relatively small. With the best amature telescopes, there was some hope that some image might be detected, but only after intense computer image enhancement. We probably would have seen something if there was some light to light up the dust plume, but most of it was in darkness. And with no atmosphere, that's darkness like nothing you see on Earth.
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04:56 PM on 10/10/2009
This is just theory for sake of conversation ok? For some reason the bots won't let me post it.
fff asked for comments. Here's mine:

Yeah...and this will get all the Moonies rolling in the aisle. My initial thought is that a group of Generals paid NASA to "Shoot the Moon" because they wanted to see what a bomb would do in low gravity on something that no one has ever bombed before. Simple enough. And $79 million is chump change to the DOD. There may be photos...but as yet they are not available for public consumption. They will be...but only those that collaborate the "stated mission".

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/nasa-moon-bombing-lcross-_n_314956.html?show_comment_id=32557594#comment_32557594
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
11:08 AM on 10/10/2009
Now NASA is Corporate Big Space, mission to find water on the moon so T Boone Pickens can acquire the water rights and sell the H20 to highest bidder, more than that use it all up and then move on to the next planet (at government expense) and do the same.

Like the previous commenter sez When will you earth people leave us alone

Gawd forbid we find intelligent life that might get in our way. (I forgot that doesn't stop us on earth does it)
01:55 PM on 10/10/2009
We can only hope the moon people can forgive us
04:34 PM on 10/10/2009
That's assuming that the extraterrestial life aren't even bigger A*oles than we are. The practical necessities of communication would probably force them to act like it even if they weren't that way by nature.
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Happyexpat
Reality doesn't care what you believe.
05:50 AM on 10/10/2009
In that image of the moon there was the outline of a big bird. Uh-oh.......Big Bird......Aaaaaarrrgggghhhh! We bombed Big Bird!!!!!!!!
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
06:59 PM on 10/10/2009
...sponsored by the letter "N" for NASA and the color Gray for "too fluffy moon dust".

Maybe it's a series of tubes?

Heh.
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beckpod1
02:58 AM on 10/10/2009
Osama Bin Ladin...hiding on the moon...John McCain told us!
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
02:43 AM on 10/10/2009
The elites are convinced the future makes water the new oil.
02:32 PM on 10/10/2009
Correct . where did "W" buy a huge tract of land over one of the largest fresh water aquifers in the world. Hint South American country.