Opt-Out Public Option Gains Steam Among Dems, But Questions Remain

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First Posted: 10- 9-09 09:35 AM   |   Updated: 10- 9-09 12:42 PM

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Democratic senators were largely caught off-guard on Thursday as a compromise approach to health care reform -- emerging seemingly without warning -- began picking up praise from progressive and centrist lawmakers.

In the halls of Congress few had actually heard of or seen the proposal, which would establish a national public option for insurance coverage but grant a state government the right to exempt itself from the system. And, as such, there was a clear and sensible hesitancy to weigh in on the so-called "opt-out" approach.

But the early reviews were, nevertheless, politically promising. In a debate where proponents and opponents of expanding the government's role in providing health care insurance coverage have failed to find middle ground, the newest compromise to the public option was -- at the very least -- intriguing to all.

"It's worth looking at," Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), told the Huffington Post. The Connecticut Independent, who is one of the foremost skeptics of the public option within the Democratic Caucus, was echoed by an equally-forceful public option naysayer: Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) "Worth looking at," said the Nebraska Democrat.

Even the author of one of the pieces of health care reform legislation making its way through Congress said he was willing to consider the opt-out idea.

"Senator Baucus will look closely at this proposal," said an aide to the Senate Finance Committee Chairman, "as well as other proposals, and could consider supporting them as part of an overall package as long as it achieved his health care reform goals while getting 60 votes."

On the opposite side of the intra-party ideological spectrum other Democrats approached the opt-out compromise with cautious interest. Fresh off of sending a letter to Democratic leadership in which 30 senators reiterated the importance of a broad-based public option, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) promised to be at the table when the opt-out was discussed.

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"Sen. Brown believes the HELP-passed version is one of the best vehicles for achieving affordability, continuity, and access in every area of the country," said his press secretary Meghan Dubyak, "although he will continue to participate in ongoing discussions with leadership and his Senate colleagues about the specifics of the bill."

Former DNC Chair Howard Dean was far more accommodating to the idea, telling the Huffington Post that if he were a member of the U.S. Senate he would vote for the proposal -- provided it was the only one that could get past a Republican filibuster.

"If this passes I won't say it is not reform because it is reform," he said. "If this is what it takes to get 60 votes I say go for it."

And yet, as quickly as the intrigue surrounding the opt-out grew, countervailing forces began to weigh in. Democratic leadership aides told the Huffington Post that the discussion of the compromise approach was getting much too far ahead of reality.

"From the conversations I've had in the last two hours it's not sounding like a lot of folks have even seen the thing," one of those aides emailed mid Thursday afternoon. "I think that people getting so excited about this is dangerous."

The idea of allowing states to opt-out of a national public option has been discussed as far back as last week in conversations between Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and labor leader Andy Stern. Since then, the table of negotiators has expanded to include Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and at least one progressive senator, according to Democratic aides. The group submitted the idea to Senate Majority Harry Reid's office on Tuesday. But as of Thursday afternoon, no official white paper existed for Senators to work off of.

All that existed, indeed, was a somewhat vague idea with a myriad question marks. What kind of national public plan would be established? How, exactly, would states be able to opt-out? Would consumers be allowed to cross state lines for insurance? Most importantly: was this good policy?

"One problem with the opt-out idea is that Republicans may seize on it in the future and turn it into a general opt-out for states to exempt themselves from the whole bill," said Paul Starr, health care expert at Princeton University. "Remember there will be four years and two elections before the reforms go into effect. This would be the easiest step for Republicans take during that period to ensure that the whole thing would unravel. And it would unravel because states that adopted the reform would become magnets for migration by the sick from states that opted out."

Proponents of the state opt-out approach said that these details would be filled out in the days and weeks ahead. Though, in a reflection of just how nascent the discussion is, no time frame was offered as to whether or when something would be formally considered.


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With Reporting By Jeff Muskus Democratic senators were largely caught off-guard on Thursday as a compromise approach to health care reform -- emerging seemingly without warning -- began picking up pr...
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If this man get,s reelected I am really going to wonder about his state and the people who live there

In the Fall Fire Lieberman !! give his seat to a baker or candle stick maker !

Pick a homeless man ! some body any body Please !

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 10/11/2009
- AsISaid I'm a Fan of AsISaid 27 fans permalink
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This is a cop out proposal. It lets certain spineless Senators to avoid a difficult vote and pass the responsibility down to the states.

It will establish a new level of discrimination not based on ability to pay - not based on pre-existing conditions - but now based on where you live - if your state opts out. This is wrong.

This is a national problem, not state-based, and the policy should cover all Americans. What if the Civil Rights Act had not passed to become federal law, instead of state-based? What if poll taxes still existed?

All Americans deserve the same right to quality and affordable health care, and not be held captive within recalcitrant states that wish to remain under the thumb of monopolistic health insurance companies. This is a terrible idea that could set a dangerous precedence for the future on other policy matters

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 10/10/2009
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ALL !! FOR ONE !! ONE ! FOR ALL !!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 10/11/2009

Very good points! This would just create another opportunity for the Republicans (those government employees who have "contracted" with the insurance companies) to delay with the intent to eventually destroy any hint of a public option in any state.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 10/25/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 72 fans permalink

Wow. Turncoat Nelson and republican lieberman read directly from the boss limbaugh talking points responses ..........­..........­.

"........ worth looking at ..........­"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 10/10/2009
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"Senator Baucus will look closely at this proposal," said an aide to the Senate Finance Committee Chairman..­."
Bullsh1t, Mad Max will look more closely at his wallet that's stuffed with Insurance Industry payola...

BOHICA

Bend Over Here It Comes Again....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 10/10/2009
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As the former president proclaimed to the world...

"you are either for us or against us"

The majority of Americans support a public option which is directly at odds with wants of the private insurance firms.

So congress are you for us, the people, or for them, the rich insurance oligarchy? Each congress person is accountable to answer to the people with their vote, a vote that is either for us or against us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/10/2009
- MAH999 I'm a Fan of MAH999 32 fans permalink

If Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson are looking at it, you can be sure they are looking to see if there is a way to game it so that their medical industry overlords can squeeze another pound of flesh out of us with it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 10/10/2009

I hope this happens LOL..

States with smart rational citizens will have the option, whlie stupid irrational citizens will get screwed over.

It's kind of the perfect system to prove a point IMO.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 10/10/2009

Except that I shouldn't get screwed just because I live in Tennessee, vs. say, New York.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/10/2009
- jwredd I'm a Fan of jwredd 50 fans permalink

So we're all screwed because you folks in the south keep voting in christian conservatives?

On a serious note, I feel for you and understand your point, but surely you can see how frustrating it is to try and get anything done when your southern countrymen send us the likes of Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker. We're not left with much choice until enough of you red state voters do the right thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 10/10/2009
- janeycat I'm a Fan of janeycat 72 fans permalink
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Well ........ you may see this Tennessean move right back out of state ... i will have to live somewhere Alexander and Corker does not live ..... they never got my vote ... and i cant help it if they snowed the majority of the people with talk of prosperity .... but those two will have to jab everyone in TN one last time before getting voted out....

here's a chart comparing all 5 of the HC reform proposals

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/st_healthcareproposals_20090912.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 10/10/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 63 fans permalink

Watch Out America !!
If Joe Lieberman is for something , there is a catch and you can bet the American citizenry will be on the bottom of the food chain !!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/10/2009
- lily31 I'm a Fan of lily31 24 fans permalink

I'm very wary of anything thing this Senator is either for and thinking about! Too much history of his Brutus side.

I'm with the new mantra spoken this week on the House floor: "Lead, follow or get out of the way!" ~ good for life in general and for these people in DC who are supposed to be acting on behalf of "WE THE PEOPLE" ...... you know that quaint group named in the quaint constitution.

Now that would be a wonderful peoples' mantrum, repeated over and over again until we have blasted our way through to getting the work we need so urgently, done:

LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/10/2009
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Another thought...­..

What will this start as far as the states overruling the Federal Government?

There's such a slippery slope to this idea. If enough states would start making all their own laws, circumventing the Federal Government, this country could turn into 50 separate countries.

Not good at all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 10/10/2009
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Unbelieveable!

We could finally have some health care reform and we then might let some far right wing state legislature deny us coverage?

This can't happen....­.not at all.....no way.

And, Leiberman.­..you really need to retire.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 10/10/2009

This idea is another compromise taht sell out the mass. How and why a mojority government can't pass its mandate from the majority of voters that had voted Obama and the Dems in to do just that: health care reform? What kind of democracy that a majority have to bend to the minority? Of course, the money talks here: the Blue Dogs Dems and the Repugs don't care for the voters: if they are voted out, they will have better , higher-paid jobs with the private industry! They haven o conscience while having the best health care paid by the taxpayers but work to deny them the same.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 10/10/2009
- RGKahn I'm a Fan of RGKahn 5 fans permalink

How exactly do we let states decide wether they will enforce Federal Laws in their states. They are called Federal Laws because they are applied across all the States and Territories of the USA. Will we allow each state to determine what laws, rules and regulations the Federal Government may enact? Will a State Government decide that they don't want it citizens pay Federal Income Taxes? Will we cease being the United States of America. Will we be referred to the United States are instead of the United Sates is?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 10/10/2009
- ClareP I'm a Fan of ClareP 66 fans permalink

It can be defined in such a way as to clearly distinguish participation in a specific federal program from laws that are simply binding on all. Conceptually they are very different, and this bill, in whatever form, will contain a large collection of laws that will be binding and that no one is proposing any state be able to opt out of. Getting rid of rescission & pre-existing condition denials, for example, would not and could not be optional.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 10/10/2009
- zanzig I'm a Fan of zanzig 40 fans permalink

Doesn't this proposal also have the effect of shifting the political fallout from the federal to the state arena, so any kicks coming from disgruntled lobbyists and insurance companies will be directed at the state politicians?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 10/10/2009
- ClareP I'm a Fan of ClareP 66 fans permalink

That's why the blue dogs like it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 10/10/2009
- ClareP I'm a Fan of ClareP 66 fans permalink

If the public option succeeds in producing downward pressure on health care costs and health insurance costs through the first real competition), then it will also help companies that offer insurance. If large companies see their costs reduced, they will move their headquarters and offices to states that offer the public option. The economic impact on hard-line red states who opt out could be huge. The political landscape would shift quickly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 10/10/2009
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