Obama HRC Speech: "I Will End Don't Ask, Don't Tell," Says President Obama

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CHRISTINE SIMMONS | 10/10/09 11:28 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama reaffirmed his campaign pledge to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but offered no timetable or specifics for acting on that promise.

He acknowledged to a cheering crowd that some policy changes he promised on the campaign trail are not coming as quickly as they expected.

"I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group.

The law was passed by Congress in 1993 and signed by President Bill Clinton, who also promised to repeal the ban on homosexuals in the military but was blunted by opposition in the military and Congress. Obama said he's working with Pentagon and congressional leaders on ending the policy.

"We should not be punishing patriotic Americans who have stepped forward to serve the country," Obama said. "We should be celebrating their willingness to step forward and show such courage ... especially when we are fighting two wars."

Obama said it was no secret "our progress may be taking longer than we like." He followed this by asking supporters to trust his administration's course.

"I appreciate that many of you don't believe progress has come fast enough," Obama said. "Do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach."

Some advocates said they already have heard Obama's promises – they just want to hear a timeline. Cleve Jones, a pioneer activist and creator of the AIDS Memorial Quilt, said Obama delivered a brilliant speech, but added "it lacked the answer to our most pressing question, which is when."

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"He repeated his promises that he's made to us before, but he did not indicate when he would accomplish these goals and we've been waiting for a while now," said Jones, national co-chair of a major gay-rights rally expected to draw thousands of gay and lesbian activists to the National Mall on Sunday.

Obama also called on Congress to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, which limits how state, local and federal bodies can recognize partnerships and determine benefits. He also called for a law to extend benefits to domestic partners.

He expressed strong support for the Human Rights Campaign agenda – ending discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people – but stopped short of laying out a detailed plan for how to get there.

"My expectation is that when you look back on these years you will look back and see a time when we put a stop against discrimination ... whether in the office or the battlefield," Obama said.

Obama's political energies are focused on managing two wars, the economic crisis and his attempt to reform the health care system.

His message Saturday was one of unity and support for a group that has funneled large amounts of money into Democratic coffers.

"I'm here with a simple message: I'm here with you in that fight," Obama said.

Obama also addressed those who do not favor advancing gay rights. A recent Pew Research Center poll asked about homosexual behavior, and about half said it is morally wrong. "There's still laws to change and there's still hearts to open," Obama said.

Since Obama took office in January, some advocates have complained that Obama has not followed through on promises on issues they hold dear and has not championed their causes from the White House, including ending the ban on gays serving openly in the military and pushing tough nondiscrimination policies.

Richard Socarides, who advised Clinton's administration on gay and lesbian policy, said Obama delivered "a strong speech in tone, although only vaguely reassuring in content."

"The president and Nobel winner came and paid his respects, but tomorrow many will ask: What's his plan, what's his timetable?"

In the past, Obama has urged the gay-rights community to trust him. In June, he pointed to some initial efforts, such as a presidential memorandum he issued that expands some federal benefits to same-sex partners.

Obama publicly has previously committed himself to repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve in the military as long as they don't disclose their sexual orientation or act on it. But Obama hasn't taken any concrete steps urging Congress to rescind the policy, and his national security adviser last weekend would only say that Obama will focus on overturning it "at the right time."

Obama also pledged during the campaign to work for repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. But lawyers in his administration defended the law in a court brief. White House aides said they were only doing their jobs to back a law that was already on the books.

The gay community is somewhat split as to whether Obama should be expected to produce results right away.

The Human Rights Campaign, which invited Obama to speak at its dinner Saturday night, holds out hope of seeing more action.

"We have never had a stronger ally in the White House. Never," Joe Solmonese, the group's president, said at the dinner before Obama spoke. In an interview, he said the Obama administration has been working with the group on a range of issues "on an almost weekly and sometimes daily basis."

Obama noted new hate-crimes legislation, which would make it a federal crime to assault people because of their sexual orientation. Approved by the House this week, Obama predicted it would pass the Senate and promised to sign it into law.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama reaffirmed his campaign pledge to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but offered no timetable or specifics for ac...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama reaffirmed his campaign pledge to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but offered no timetable or specifics for ac...
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I hate to say it, but I secretly wish someone had had the guts during that speech to yell, "You lie!"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/05/2009
- Ron44 I'm a Fan of Ron44 17 fans permalink

Our esteemed President is all talk and NO ACTION!!! He could end this injustice with the stroke of a pen!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 10/15/2009
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'I have no idea what your level of political knowledge is or world history, so when you say that Obama isn't employing the same level of fear-mongering, I tell you that it's just different styles (and not all that different) trying to sell the same product.'

Oh, so because you tell me it MUST be true.

I simply disagree with your position; life goes on.

BTW, I neither know nor care what your level of world history or political awareness is, but your hubris is on display for all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 10/13/2009
- berrycooda I'm a Fan of berrycooda 22 fans permalink


Pres. Obama is finding out that being President doesn't mean you
can just do anything that you want to do.
There is a Congress behind him and I'm sure that since he has
been in office, he is more aware of what is really going on where as
before, he felt like a lot of people on these posts.
When you don't know all the facts and details, it is easy to have an
opinion.
When you are the one with all the responsibility, things change...
some for the better and some the opposite way.
Maybe he has found out that some of the Bush policies had to be
in effect and that is why he hasn't changed policy to reflect the
views he had before he was elected.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 10/12/2009

Oh, for God's sake, I've had enough.
Without being too specific, I was the Chief or a Personnel Services Branch in the Army National Guard 14 years ago--and I had gay men and gay women under my command who were openly gay and lesbian. It didn't make a damned bit of difference to me as long as they could do their job. Might this be different in a combat situation? NO!
This argument is absolutely ridiculous. Gay men and gay women will appreciate a nice-looking counterpart, but unless that person is also homosexual, don't worry--they're not going to try and TURN you.
"Don't ask - Don't tell" is ridiculous. I never asked and they never told. But it was so freaking obvious, why bother? I'd go over to one of my soldiers' homes for a BBQ and her partner would be another lesbian! Don't tell???? Who needs to tell??
Please people, it's been 8 years of George Bush--isn't it time to stop this patently absurd word play and just let people be people?
I'm sorry, but President Obama is making me sorry I voted for him with each passing day. I'm beginning to think John McCain is more liberal than Barack Obama. McCain looks liberal compared to a moderate like President Obama.
What this country needs is a "Progressive" party.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 10/12/2009

I agree with you Gonzo, ENOUGH! I too supported Obama but everyday I become more disillusioned by his behavior. How could he not realize that if he had come out yesterday and actually signed a bill stopping that stupid policy in front of that crowd, he would have been a rock star again.
If he would become involved in the Health Care debate, brought in some of the blue dogs and pissed on their heads he could get something done. He could campaign for a Democrat in their district that would support his goals and policies. Call out liars like boehner, grassley, kyle, etc instead of saying nothing and allowing good Americans to run around repeating the lies they hear from the fox morons.
I'm with you Gonzo, Obama needs to start acting like a President and not a community organizer, those days are gone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 10/13/2009
- berrycooda I'm a Fan of berrycooda 22 fans permalink

Why is this so important anyway...

They are told not to act on their gay acts while in the Military.
Isn't this the same for heterosexuals...
Why do they have to have it written in a law.

Don't ask - don't tell...what is wrong with that.
Don't ask me private things and I don't need to tell you private things.

Nobody keeps them from going in the Military.
Do you think this is a way to open a door to open displays of affection that shouldn't go on anyway.

And..if this offends them, then don't go in the Military.
If they are drafted, then it is a different story. People opt out for
religious reasons. Maybe this will open the door to the same thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 10/12/2009
- MJHammonds I'm a Fan of MJHammonds 102 fans permalink
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You are missing the most important part of DADT. If you tell- they kick you out. That's the problem with this absurd law. You are technically not allowed to be gay and serve.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 10/13/2009

No, you are missing the point. Everyone has a legal right to sexual privacy, i.e. straight females don't have to room, bunk, toilet or take showers with straight men. The military must have the policies, regulations and facilities to protect and ensure this legal right to sexual privacy, othewise there would be grievances and lawsuits.

The same would have to apply to the openly gay, i.e. straight females couldn't be asked to room, bunk, toilet or shower with openly gay females, straight males couldn't be asked to room, bunk, toilet or shower with openly gay men. In fact, going a step further, gay females couldn't be allowed to room, bunk, toilet or shower with other gay females. Likewise for gay men.

There isn't much if any problem with these situations under "Don't ask, don't tell", but, when sexual preference is openly stated, the legal right to sexual privacy becomes an issue that must be dealt with becasue violations could be grieved or litigated (and there would certainly be some of those).

That's the difference. The question becomes, how much will it cost to accommodate gays, i.e. the changes that would be needed to protecy and ensure sexual privacy? Care to respond?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 10/21/2009
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No, heterosexuals are not forbidden from having a sex life when they are on active duty.

"Private things?" Such as whether or not you are involved with someone romantically? Married or otherwise in a committed relationship?

Now the penalty phase enters the game. Heterosexuals are not thrown out if they are found out to be having sex with someone or if they are discovered to be in a committed, romantic relationship.

I would think a straight person would refuse to enter the service if these conditions applied to them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 10/18/2009
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NONSENSE!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 10/19/2009
- FunPie I'm a Fan of FunPie 18 fans permalink
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I just hope he doesn't wait for hearts to change before the law does. I mean, he wouldn't be president without the Civil Rights Act, and one need only watch Fox "News" to see how little hearts have changed in that arena. Just change the law, Obama, and leave the people to get over it (or not) on their own.

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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 10/12/2009

Gay rights advocates who want Obama to immediately change public policy fail to recognize several political realities. First, gays only represent 2 to 3% of the population, although their influence politically and in the media is vastly beyond their numbers. The 10% figure thrown out by some advocates is not credible. Ten out of every 100 people in the U.S. are not homosexual; 2 to 3 out of 100 is more accurate and any credible poll will confirm this. They are not a large bloc of votes like African Americans are and their influence is concentrated mostly in New York, California and a few small, liberal states.

Second, the President cannot change Congressional legislation, which "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and the "Defense of Marriage Act" represent. The executive branch signs or vetoes bills; Congress has to actually enact these laws and Congress would have to overturn both of these measures. Despite statements to the contrary that I have heard recently in the media, the majority of the country is against gay marriage. That is why these measures always fail when put to the vote on the state ballots. The most recent Gallup Poll shows that only 40% of the country approves of gay marriage, even though it is now legal in five states.

Gay groups would probably get more support if it did not appear that they put their needs ahead of the rest of the entire country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 10/12/2009
- MJHammonds I'm a Fan of MJHammonds 102 fans permalink
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You fail to recognize several salient points. First of all, you did not cite any "credible evidence" that only 2-3 % of Americans are gay. 10% may not be the number you agree with, but it is the accepted number not only politically, but from a sociological standpoint.

Second, you are assuming the only people supporting the repeal of DADT and the Defense of Marriage act are gay. MANY straight people, not necessarily exclusive to the family members of gays support abolishing these discriminatory laws.

You are correct in that the President cannot change legislation. I think that point is missed by many who believe that a stroke of a pen from the President can do so. However, he can create a presidential order as Commander in Chief of our military to stop the law on a contingency basis.

As far as gay groups putting their needs ahead of the rest of the country, that is the largest point you are missing in repealing DADT. These are people who have put their country first by serving in the military to begin with. Our military suffers when they are forced to resign, especially in the specialty of Middle Eastern language translation.

Perhaps you should put your fear and prejudice behind the needs of our country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 10/12/2009

I'll address your last misstatement first. You've assumed I have fear and prejudice when I am merely pointing out some of the political realities that exist in the current environment. There is no fear or prejudice on my part, but I do not support gay marriage--period. I also understand the reasoning behind the military's position and agree with Colin Powell. The military commanders can work on this issue and make the adjustment that is best for maintaining military cohesiveness and morale.

As for credible evidence regarding the percentage of gays in the population, the word count limit forced me to do some editing changes on my previous post. Gay activists offer no proof whatever of the 10% number that is used; someone started using it years ago and everyone seemed to follow suit, without questioning the stat's validity. However, for the past 3 presidential election cycles, The New York Times has provided demographic information regarding the breakdown of the electorate. Each time, the percentage for homosexuals is either 3 or 4 percent. All of the other demographic groups' percentage of the population matches with census data: Blacks at 12%; Hispanics at 12%; Asians at 6%, etc. Unless we are to believe that the Times can get all of the numbers right, except that of homosexuals, these numbers have to be considered valid. In fact, they are probably high since gays tend to have higher incomes than the general population and, therefore, have a disproportionately higher rate of voting.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 10/13/2009
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We are at least 10% of the population. I don't know where you pulled that nonsense from. That means there are about 37,000,000 of us. We're here, we're queer. Get used to it! We aren't putting our concerns ahead of the nation's, you are lying that we are. What we want is our FULL and TOTAL CITIZENSHIP, not the crap that people like you think we should accept. We want ALL our constitutional rights NOW. I don't think that's too much to expect in a democracy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 10/19/2009
- GhostNyc I'm a Fan of GhostNyc 23 fans permalink

POTUS promises to end DADT.

One word question- When?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 10/12/2009
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ASAP.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 10/12/2009
- kaspiahn I'm a Fan of kaspiahn 2 fans permalink

Imagine if you will:
An Artillery section, made of 8-10 male soldiers. They are resting between fire missions, just shooting the breeze. One guy starts to talk about his latest babe he met at a local club. All the others seem to be enjoying his description of the girl he met and how his evening turned out. After he finishes Tom decides to describe his latest conquest. However he starts to describe how great looking Bob(the guy he met) is. How do you think this is going to end for Tom? In an Artillery unit of macho men always trying to prove who is the strongest, the bravest, etc... it ain't gonna go well for Tom I bet. This is reality and it's going to be ugly if DADT gets lifted.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 10/12/2009

So the problem is the gay guy who wants to servie his ocuntry, and not the straight men who would murder a fellow soldier? Seriously deranged logic.As always, the problem is not homosexuality, but homophobic straight men. Just like DADT has nothing to do with gay people at all, but how much their very existence bothers some straight people, and some who wanna-be-s­traight-bu­t ain't.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/12/2009
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I did not mention murder. That's of course a possibility as a worse-case. But most likely he would be ridiculed, ostracized, or just possibly ignored. In any event it would not be good for Tom.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 10/12/2009
- Puffin16 I'm a Fan of Puffin16 8 fans permalink
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BO should act like he doesn't have a second term. So much time and effort into pleasing everyone causes inertia. Yes, you can, Mr. President.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/12/2009
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OBAMA'S BROKEN PROMISES:

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Primary-Candidate Obama Promises To "Force Mexico and Canada To Make Concessions On NAFTA"

GeneralEle­ctionCampa­ign-Candid­ate Obama The general campaign is on, independent voters are up for grabs, and Barack Obama is toning down his populist rhetoric - at least when it comes to free trade. In an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA. "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy. Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered. Obama says he believes in "opening up a dialogue" with trading partners Canada and Mexico "and figuring to how we can make this work for all people."

President Obama - "NAFTA, huh? Look over there! Shiny, spinning teabaggers!"

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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 10/12/2009

wheres tila tequila been in this whole mess? as obnoxious as these protesters are, at least tila is nice on the eyes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/12/2009
- MJHammonds I'm a Fan of MJHammonds 102 fans permalink
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Your repetition, however, is just annoying. Last I checked she was not in the military. Take your bi fantasies elsewhere, please.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 10/12/2009

no, but she claims to be gay. id be hard pressed to believe all the gays that protested in washington are in the military.

and sorry, buddy, but ill keep my tila tequila fantasies right here where you can keep reading about them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 10/12/2009
- Kamenskiy I'm a Fan of Kamenskiy 44 fans permalink
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Even though Obama has other things to do, repealing DADT shouldn't be too difficult. It can be done with an executive order. It's true, Republicans' heads would explode, and they would rake in tons of campaign cash from pseudo-religious bigots, but on the plus side, they would be distracted from their efforts to undermine healthcare and environmental reform.

Also, mainstream voters would not be sympathetic to the Republicans' inevitable anti-gay meltdown. Repealing DADT is not at all controversial; even most conservatives are in favor of repeal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 10/12/2009
- awaw I'm a Fan of awaw 35 fans permalink
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This is where so many liberals become hypocrits. We argue that democracy should be more than just a system of majority rules (through suppotrting minoirty groups etc), yet when we see a democrat in power we wnat them to act in a majoritarian way.

Democracy is not just rule for the victors, it's rule for all the people. Therefore change is necessarily slow and mindful of stirring up those who hold opposing views.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 10/12/2009

AWAW, but these are more than just opposing views. These are social issues that discriminate against a group; there isn't a justified opposing view. I served 27 years in the military and I had men and women who are gay, it didn't make a bit of difference in their performance. This is non-sense!
Another huge issue is our extremely overpriced health care system. President Obama has to step into the fight. He campaigned on the issue and now he has to get into the fight and get this done in the name of the citizens who elected him. If he comes out with a bloody nose that's ok, but if he comes out clean with an awful bill then the republicans will probably get their way next election. He will lose a ton of votes because he would have been as ineffective as bush in the health care arena. So it proves you can be dumb as a rock or a college professor, corporate money is in charge. I hope he gets his head on straight and gets into the game!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 10/13/2009
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