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Obama's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Pledge Questioned By Gays

CHRISTINE SIMMONS   10/11/09 11:12 AM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama restated his campaign pledge to allow homosexual men and women to serve openly in the military, but many in his audience of gay activists were left wondering when he would make good on the promise.

"I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said Saturday night to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group. He offered no timetable or specifics and he acknowledged some may be growing impatient.

"I appreciate that many of you don't believe progress has come fast enough," Obama said. "Do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach."

A day after the president's remarks, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he expects the ban to be lifted, but he said it's critical that the administration have the support of military leaders.

A Republican on the committee, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, agreed with Levin that support within the military is important and said such a policy decision shouldn't be based on a "campaign pledge." Both senators appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Some gay-rights advocates said they already have heard Obama's promises and now want a timeline. Cleve Jones, a pioneer activist and creator of the AIDS Memorial Quilt, said Saturday that Obama delivered a brilliant speech, but he added "it lacked the answer to our most pressing question, which is when."

"He repeated his promises that he's made to us before, but he did not indicate when he would accomplish these goals and we've been waiting for a while now," said Jones, national co-chair of a major gay-rights rally scheduled for Sunday on the National Mall.

Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network said he was encouraged to hear Obama's pledge but added "an opportunity was missed tonight." He said his group "was disappointed the president did not lay out a timeline and specifics for repeal."

Obama also called on Congress to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act, which limits how state, local and federal bodies can recognize partnerships and determine benefits. He also called for a law to extend benefits to domestic partners.

He expressed strong support for the HRC agenda of ending discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people but stopped short of laying out a detailed plan for how to get there.

"My expectation is that when you look back on these years you will look back and see a time when we put a stop against discrimination ... whether in the office or the battlefield," Obama said.

Obama's political energies are focused on many issues, including managing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the economic crisis and his ambitious plan to reform the health care system.

The HRC holds out hope of seeing more action.

"We have never had a stronger ally in the White House. Never," Joe Solmonese, the group's president, said at the dinner before the president spoke.

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HRC: http://www.hrc.org

Obama: http://www.whitehouse.gov

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Chris1962
NYC
05:53 PM on 10/18/2009
In case anyone is interested...

Obama ducks gay soldiers pledge -- for now
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/17/mann.obama.gay.soldiers/index.html?iref=newssearch

In short, Congress is waiting for the military to agree. And "Obama's advisors say they talking to the generals and trying to push forward, but they aren't promising quick results."

Whlie everyone drags their feet, waiting for each other to agree, bear in mind that this particular, uniquely powerful Dem congress is not expected to remain as such after the mid-term elections. I think the administration is trying to play out the clock, frankly. And anyone who calls for more "patience" and "waiting" is helping them.
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TankGirlz
Lyrical Combat
07:19 PM on 10/12/2009
Just a thought..Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

Don't JOIN until you are fully recognized
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04:13 PM on 10/12/2009
Why do they keep pressuring him, he said he would repel DADT?
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Gover
01:02 AM on 10/13/2009
Maybe what's important to the gay community isn't that someone says he'll repeal it, but that it's actually repealed.

They've been fighting this for a long time. You don't start celebrating 100 yards from the finish line. That's the time to lower head and give it all you've got.
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01:06 AM on 10/13/2009
Agreed but there is a bill moving through the house as we speak. And remember where trying to undo 8 years of Bush. Most of the hold up will again come from the GOP and there stall everything tactics.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
02:21 PM on 10/12/2009
On this, time alone will tell if he's a man of his word, personally I wouldn't doubt him!
02:13 PM on 10/12/2009
I'm all in favor of the LGBT community having the same rights as everyone else. However... I've got to pose this question.

Does the LGBT community care about anybody else's rights besides their own?

What I see is that they continue to raise the issue of civil rights for them and don't want to be discriminated against... and yet I'm not seeing anywhere that they're at all interested in the broader issue of civil rights and fighting discrimination for everyone... including women, the disabled, the elderly and children. Why have the rights of the LGBT community taken such center stage and drowning out the issues concerning the rights of others?

Equal rights for women is STILL a joke in the U.S. and I'd like to know why is it that LGBT rights continue to get so much attention when the women in the LB community are still facing the same oppressive and discriminatory attitudes, laws and legislation as the women in the straight community?

Perhaps the issues that straight women are facing are not as pertinent to the LB community because many that are currently at the forefront involve abortion and reproductive rights... which are only issues for a minority of LB women. Nevertheless... equal rights for women in EVERY respect... from pay to opportunity and even to the smallest, daily matters such as paying the same damn price for dry cleaning or a hair cut should have been addressed YESTERDAY!!!
03:37 PM on 10/12/2009
Oh...boy...

Dr. Julian, while I respect your concern for the rights of ALL citizens, I can only conclude from your remarks that you just haven't been paying attention.
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thromulese
i have a scream
05:17 PM on 10/12/2009
I believe doctors deserve all the rights of “regular” people. However…
DontJustFollow
Ask not what your country can do for you...
01:12 PM on 10/12/2009
Shouldn't who you sleep with be a personal matter? What consenting adults do in private is their own business - why does the army care? why do people think who they sleep with is anyone else's business?

most importantly - when did telling the world who you sleep with become some sort of badge that entitles one to ANYTHING ? Straight or not - go have your fun in private and keep the details to your self.

And know that Obama and his people are polling this issue carefully and will move on it as soon as it
benefits his re-election campaign. If enacting it was a good thing for Obama, he would have done it already - just like Gitmo.

Remember first and foremost, Obama is a politician, the liberals set themselves up for so much disapointment when they start believing all the Hope & Change slogans . . .
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luvobama
Hospice volunteer...
01:38 PM on 10/12/2009
what a snooze fest you have become. zzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz. You know nothing about us libs. We love our President. Only you birthers and knuckle draggers have a problem with him.
GlennInVenice
Venice; Where Art Meets Crime
01:54 PM on 10/12/2009
They day that who you are sleeping with, their sex, and such matters become a personal matter that is nobodies business and entitles nobody to any special treatment or right is the day that we:

- stop having weddings and wearing wedding rings
- stop changing our last name to our sposes
- stop asking people if they are single
- stop offering spousal insurance
- remove inheritance rights for spouses
- stop making hospital visitation contingent on relationships
- stop asking anything about marital status on all forms including tax forms

So when did telling the world who you sleep with become a badge that entitles you to anything?

When the world began.

You just can't see it when a gay person wants to act like a straight person.
11:54 AM on 10/12/2009
Words are mere words as I have written so many times. With the issue of DADT, what the POTUS stated are mere words. This issue should be resolved ASAP, for various reasons. Many valuable service personnel are being dismissed due this issue. Words are needed but more so, action is required. No one wants to talk about timetables, but these are very important. We can talk about the issue over and over, but most overlooked is the time for the action on this matter (time table). Saying it doesn’t resolve the issue.

I have heard some Chickenhawks commenting that nothing should be done on this issue (Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA). Most of these morons haven’t served one day in any branch of service, but yet they have become authoritarians on all matters of service life and moral values. However, they are at the forefront to send these same men and women into harms way. These are some of the biggest hypocrites on earth.
11:30 AM on 10/12/2009
Let me declare a vested interest. I'm a heterosexual woman who couldn't care less what anyone's sexual predilection is as long as it's legal and they don't try to foist it on me. So why, if homosexuals and lesbians are comfortable with their sexuality as heterosexuals generally are, as they persistently tell us, do they and their supporters get into lather over the issue?

I'm a proud female who is comfortable being a woman; similarly there are many other things I'm happy with and proud of in relation to myself but which I don't go emblazoning to the rest of the world as frankly it's no one's business but mine and those who I may wish, with their permission, to confide in.

Can't homosexuals of both sexes and their supporters do the same and stop pestering the rest of us with their hang-ups?
11:44 AM on 10/12/2009
The "hangups" you so ignorantly talk about include such things as being able to be who you are. You obviously have no problem being proud of your heterosexual self. Gays just want the same thing without the fear of being drummed out of their military profession. Is that so much to ask?
06:57 AM on 10/14/2009
Answer me honestly - how does anyone know such a personal thing as whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual without that person divulging it. And why would anyone want to divulge such personal information to all and sundry?

Seems to me that you're not as comfortable with your own sexuality as you claim or would like to con the rest of us into believing; and that frankly is your problem and those who behave like you do - NOT MINE!
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luvobama
Hospice volunteer...
11:59 AM on 10/12/2009
That was one of the creepiest comments I have ever read. This is a Civil Rights issue. We all need to care about our fellow men and women.
DontJustFollow
Ask not what your country can do for you...
01:20 PM on 10/12/2009
we care about everyone - just don't forget that Obama is going to say what ever he has to say in order to get elected and then re-elected. There was a very calculated reason he voted "present" all those times rather than taking a position that could be used against him later - now you know how the people that elected him feel. He was far more concerned about his future ambition than he was about representing the people that deserved his vote in Congress.

Also remember that who you sleep with has nothing to do with civil rights - it is a choice and is one of many that may preclude a person from serving in the military.
01:31 PM on 10/12/2009
I so agree with you, and I'm not gay.
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k6007
bull--it proof.
11:28 AM on 10/12/2009
As I recall from history class.
The military leaders were Against desegregating of the armed forces. And, although 80% of the public agreed with them, truman did it Anyway.

What I wouldn't give for progressive courage like that, right now!
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02:02 PM on 10/12/2009
true, but then there wasn't a law saying that African-American's could only serve in the military if no-one knew they were black.
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Imago
I thought so.
01:32 AM on 10/13/2009
It's on it's way!

Look at the momentum in the house -- Murphy has 177 co-sponsors, and tonight the WH approached Lieberman for leadership in the Senate.

(And before you recoil over that choice, please read:

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/White_House_Talks_DADT_Repeal_With_Lieberman/)
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jrmarsh
11:12 AM on 10/12/2009
And here I thought it would make Miss Lindsey Graham and Larry Craig so happy
10:50 AM on 10/12/2009
Who here wants to listen to a g a y guy talk about the amazing weekend he had with a sailor last week?
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PresidentRobertBooth
11:03 AM on 10/12/2009
***Who here wants to listen to a g a y guy talk about the amazing weekend he had with a sailor last week?***

Not me.

I never want to listen to Republicans.
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PresidentRobertBooth
10:24 AM on 10/12/2009
***A day after the president's remarks, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he expects the ban to be lifted, but he said it's critical that the administration have the support of military leaders***

No it isn't.

The military will do what they are instructed to do.

The administration commands them, not the other way around.
10:37 AM on 10/12/2009
I'm retired USMC, and that is not fully true. I think Levin made an intelligent statement - he was agreed with by the two generals at the table as well.
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Imago
I thought so.
01:30 AM on 10/13/2009
Look at it this way --

Yes, you can muscle over and demand/command military personnel to just deal with it.

Or, you can take the time to build a powerful, convincing argument from both outside the military and within -- ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/us/01pentagon.html?_r=1&hp and an article forcefully calling for the repeal of DADT in the Joint Force Quarterly two weeks ago -- major shift!), and get the momentum shifted once and for all.

Which do you think is more likely to have more positive repercussions in the long run? Which is more likely to support a cultural tolerance?
10:00 AM on 10/12/2009
Face it. The LGBT community is in the same boat as the pro-lifers on the right. They are both used and abused by their respective parties, and only paid lip service to around election time.
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Imzadi
Proud Progressive for decades
10:18 AM on 10/12/2009
Interesting analogy.
Grunty1
Micro-bio this
10:58 AM on 10/12/2009
Which is why multiple blue states are passing pro-same s3x marriage laws while the Rushbpublicans never lifted a finger for the anti-choicers, right?
09:32 AM on 10/12/2009
hey democratic fund raisers:

I am very busy, need to retile my bathroom floor and replace the toilet, need to paint my deck, I work full time. have lots of clothes to wash. have to reconcile my checkbook, go shopping, change my oil, rotate my tires. Sending you money or being an activist is not high on my list right now. But I'll help you out. I just don't have a time frame for it.