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DAVID ESPO | 10/13/09 11:01 PM | AP

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Senate Finance Committee member Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, smiles as she looks towards the Democratic side of the dais on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009, after she spoke at the committee's hearing on health care reform. Snowe says she will vote for a Democratic health care bill, breaking with her party on President Barack Obama's top legislative priority. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Historic legislation to expand U.S. health care and control costs won its first Republican supporter Tuesday and cleared a key Senate hurdle, a double-barreled triumph that propelled President Barack Obama's signature issue toward votes this fall in both houses of Congress.

"When history calls, history calls," said Maine Republican Olympia Snowe, whose declaration of support ended weeks of suspense and provided the only drama of a 14-9 vote in the Senate Finance Committee. With her decision, the 62-year-old lawmaker bucked her own leadership on the most high-profile issue of the year in Congress, and gave the drive to remake health care at least a hint of the bipartisanship that Obama seeks.

At the White House, Obama called the events "a critical milestone" toward remaking the nation's health care system. He praised Snowe as well as Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the committee, and declared, "We are going to get this done."

There were fresh challenges. Within minutes of the vote, labor unions and large business organizations both demanded changes in the bill, which was an attempt at a middle-of-the-road measure fashioned by the committee under Baucus' leadership.

Still, nearly nine months after the president pledged in his Inaugural Address to tackle health care, legislation to expand coverage to millions who lack it has now advanced further than President Bill Clinton's ill-fated effort more than a decade ago – or any other attempt in more than a generation.

The next move in the Senate is up to Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose office said the full Senate would begin debate on the issue the week of Oct. 26.

Nominally, Reid must first blend the bill that cleared during the day with a version that passed earlier in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. But in reality, the majority leader – with the participation of the White House – has a virtual free hand in fashioning a measure to wind up gaining the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened Republican filibuster.

"The bottom line here is we need a final bill, a merged bill, that gets 60 votes," Baucus said. "Our goal is to pass health care reform not just talk about it."

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Reid's most politically sensitive decision revolves around proposals for the federal government to sell insurance in competition with private industry. The Senate bill approved in committee during the day omits the provision, while the one passed earlier includes it and many House Democrats support it as well.

In general, bills moving toward floor votes in both houses would require most Americans to purchase insurance, provide federal subsidies to help those of lower incomes afford coverage and give small businesses help in defraying the cost of coverage for their workers.

The measures would bar insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions, and for the first time limit their ability to charge higher premiums on the basis of age or family size. Expanded coverage would be paid for by cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from future Medicare payments to health care providers. Each house also envisions higher taxes – an income tax surcharge on million-dollar wage-earners in the case of the House, and a new excise levy on insurance companies selling high-cost policies in the case of the Senate Finance Committee bill.

Apart from Snowe, Republicans on the committee cited higher taxes, a greater federal role in the insurance industry and other concerns as they lined up to oppose the bill.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said the legislation would place the nation on a "slippery slope to more and more government control of health care."

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, elicited testimony earlier from the head of the Congressional Budget Committee that a substantial portion of the bill's tax increases would fall on groups Obama has vowed would be protected: individuals making $200,000 or less and couples below $250,000.

Snowe, too, said there were problems with the bill, but on balance, the risks of doing nothing were too great.

"We should also contemplate the decades of inaction that have brought us to this crossroads," she said. "The status quo approach has produced one glaring common denominator, that is that we have a problem that is growing worse, not better."

The vote made the Finance Committee the last of five in Congress to complete its work on health care. It also marked a personal triumph for Baucus, who weathered criticism from fellow Democrats after his attempt at bipartisanship cratered earlier this fall after months of exhaustive effort. In the end, disgruntled liberals on the panel, including Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Ron Wyden of Oregon, went along in hopes the bill eventually would be reshaped more to their liking.

Across the Capitol, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her lieutenants have been at work for weeks trying to blend legislation approved by three House committees. The eventual result is certain to include a government option, but the details of the plan have split the rank-and-file and leaders have spent days struggling with the issue.

One group favors allowing the government to negotiate with doctors, hospitals and other health care providers for fees to be paid to treat patients who have federal insurance policies, an approach that involves higher costs for the government.

The other, lower-cost approach envisions a fixed payment schedule linked to Medicare. Officials say that alternative was quietly sweetened in recent days for the benefit of hospitals, medical device makers and others to put them on an even plane with doctors.

Apart from the details of the emerging bills, there were signs that the political struggle was intensifying.

Several officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said business groups were discussing plans to step up their opposition to legislation. The health insurance industry made clear its own unhappiness on Monday when it released a study by the prominent auditing firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, saying the Finance Committee bill would raise premiums significantly for millions who already have insurance.

The report drew intense criticism from the White House, Democrats in Congress and other advocates of the legislation. By Monday night, the auditing firm appeared to backpedal, issuing a statement acknowledging its report was based only on an analysis of four provisions in the proposed legislation.

In another sign of its more aggressive stance against Baucus' bill, the health insurance industry began airing TV ads in six states on Sunday criticizing the Finance Committee bill for the more than $100 billion in cuts it would make in Medicare Advantage, under which private insurance companies provide Medicare benefits.

They quoted the Congressional Budget Office as saying many seniors "will see cuts in benefits."

America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry's trade group, is running the ads in Louisiana, Colorado, Missouri, New Mexico and Pennsylvania, and in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's home state of Nevada. The group declined to reveal how much the ad campaign cost.

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Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Historic legislation to expand U.S. health care and control costs won its first Republican supporter Tuesday and cleared a key Senate hurdle, a double-barreled triumph that propelle...
WASHINGTON — Historic legislation to expand U.S. health care and control costs won its first Republican supporter Tuesday and cleared a key Senate hurdle, a double-barreled triumph that propelle...
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This is a long way from over:

But Reid said he will not send the "trigger" option to the CBO -- which endangers the support of Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who has not signed on to the opt-out idea. Snowe wants a public insurance option to kick in only if private insurers don’t expand coverage fast enough.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 10/26/2009

You know what, other than a few, Nico Pitney and Kos, Rachel and Keith I don't want any more information from anyone. It's all made up (except by these and a few others). I can see when others have their agenda, the jealousy, revenge and downright mean spiritedness of most of the discourse is tiresome. And this is on the Democratic side (me a D). Of course, individual news, like from the President or Hillary Clinton is good. Harry ("join the R's, they're reinventing real macho men) Reid could just be quiet. .

Republicans, you did this. You screwed up America. Shut up. Just shut up. And anyone looking to stir up controversy on both sides shut up. Unless we're republican we see right through you. The republicans take every word from some Luntz playbook or Limbaugh or Beck. They want to speak on healthcare they just look up the healthcare tab in their reference books and spew. CNN has to be the new Comedy Central. You know what your motives are for speaking. Who is this Kristol guy? I don't like him.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 10/15/2009
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Test

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 10/14/2009

How many republicans will vote for the final bill? I bet at least a couple, maybe Lindsay will do the right thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 10/14/2009
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How many Republicans does it take to change a light blub.

1. One to deny that the light bulb needs to be changed

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.

3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.

4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness.

5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid/cost-plus contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb.

6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the
banner: “Light Bulb Change Accomplished.â€

7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark.

8. One to viciously smear #7.

9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light bulb changing policy all along.

10. Finally, Joe Lieberman to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing the light bulb and screwing the country.

11. Who needs a light blub when you can get all aglow just by thinking about Ronald Reagan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 10/14/2009
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How many Republicans does it take to change a light blub.

1. One to deny that the light bulb needs to be changed

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.

3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.

4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness.

5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid/cost-plus contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb.

6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the
banner: “Light Bulb Change Accomplished.â€

7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark.

8. One to viciously smear #7.

9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light bulb changing policy all along.

10. Finally, Joe Lieberman to confuse Americans about the difference between scr ewing the light bulb and scre wing the country.

11. Who needs a light bulb when you can get all aglow just by thinking about Ronald Reagan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 10/14/2009
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Well Done and FANNED!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 11/03/2009
- ifitwereme I'm a Fan of ifitwereme 5 fans permalink
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lose your job lately? how's cobra working out for you and your family. fix it now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 10/14/2009
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Working good with the supplement from the tarp bill.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 10/14/2009
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;-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/07/2009
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I'm hearing a lot of saber-rattling as people are becoming weary of the fear-mongering, clownish belittling of the president, racist rants, diversions, manufactured nonsense, and sideshows. Noone is fooled by the latest bill to pass through the finance committee like a chuck steak making it's way through a tight colon. Snowe, Grassley, Baucus have made themselves to be useful plungers is all, the big piece of thing is moved a bit more down the stinking, bacteria-infested canal, chamber-by­-chamber..­.until it reaches some final oblivion- where public option dies and may rest in peace.
Time to march, america - soon.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 10/14/2009
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Kev???

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 10/14/2009
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Now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 10/14/2009
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Get edeucated...
Government issues:
http://www.fec.gov/disclosure.shtml ( Federal Election Commission )
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/officials/congress/?district=10&azip=78759&state=TX&bzip=8251 ( congress databases / Roll Call )
http://www.c-span.org/ ( Capitol Hill, the White House and national politics in session )
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/index.html ( contact congress and the senate)
http://www.govtrack.us/ ( Federal legislation, voting records in the senate and the house )
http://www.factcheck.org/ ( consumer advocate to reduce the level of deception in U.S. politics )
http://www.opencongress.org/ ( senators, representatives, bills, votes, committees,
money trail )
http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php ( money's influence on US elections and public policy )
http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm ( voting records, issue positions, interest group ratings,
campaign finances, voter registration, ballot measures, issues and legislation, political resources )
http://www.whitehouse.gov/iissues/ ( issues, government, administration, contact White House )
http://www.undispatch.com/ ( official United Nations website )

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 10/14/2009
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Get involved...
Political action:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/ ( legal actions targeting government officials )
http://www.moveon.org/ ( political action group )
http://www.whitehouse.gov/iissues/ ( issues, government, administration, contact White House )
http://www.publicampaign.org/clean-facts ( campaign finance reform )
http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/index.cfm ( campaign finance refrm )
http://www.lwv.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Campaign_Finance_Reform ( campaign finance reform )
http://www.campaignfinance.org/ ( campaign finance reform )
http://www.cleanupwashington.org/cfr/ ( campaign finance reform )
http://hr676.org/ ( health care reform )
http://mobilizeforhealthcare.org/2009/10/13/list-of-october-15th-sit-ins/ ( health care reform )
http://sanders.senate.gov/ ( health care reform )
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/ ( health care reform )

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 10/14/2009
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Thanks

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 10/14/2009
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Fats Waller & Art Tatum, piano extraordinaire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfNYtC9uye0

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 10/14/2009
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Oh, health care?

Just another cycle.

Repubs said privatize, economy ok;

Dems say public-ize, we'll see, 2 or 3 more years like this, they'll be gone. So will my savings.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 10/14/2009
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Woke up again on the wrong side of ennui, did we?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 10/14/2009
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If you syndicate interactively, you may have to recontextualize perfectly. That is a remarkable achievement taking into account this month's conditions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASucb7x1Glk

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 10/14/2009

This Bill is an outrage. Obama, the Republicans and the Dems are simply working to jam this subsidies-­for-the-he­alth-insur­ers-and-dr­ug-pushers Bill right down the throats of the US electorate over their vigorous objections. This Bill allows the insurers and drug pushers (drug companies) to raise premiums, deductibles, co-pays, cost-sharing and drug prices while reducing the benefits they provide. At the same time it uses tax-payer subsidies to cover a larger percentage of Americans with mediocre health insurance while causing those with good plans to lose benefits as their costs massively increase. The health insurers have already promised to raise premiums if it passes. All this Bill will do is make us pay more for less while still guaranteeing bankruptcy as the end result for most who have catastrophic illnesses or injuries.

As if that's not bad enough, the mandate for coverage is not on employers or the government, it's on the hard-working people who are alreadly contributing more for coverage than people anywhere else on the planet per capita.

It's obvious if these thieves -- Obama, Baucus, Conrad, Landrieu, Lincoln and the Republicans -- want to reduce the deficit it must come from their favorite useless wars by safely, immediately withdrawing all US troops and contractor forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and ending Bush's and Reagan's tax cuts for the wealthy. They should not be refusing quality, universal, nearly-free health to all Americans as budget reduction or even budget neutrality.

American --- howl.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 10/14/2009

If everyone knew how bad the bill was, they'd be out in the streets. Most people don't know that it doesn't even take effect until 2013.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 10/14/2009
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The only thing changing with this bill are the unfortunate folks who cannot get insurance now will have to be given insurance. As for everyone else, we still go broke, just at a faster pace. The bill is terrible and if there is a public option they are going to allow states to opt out which I expect red states to do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 10/14/2009
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THIS bill won't exist more than a week or two, so I would be much more interested in working toward what WILL be in the bill that goes to the President for his signature. There seems to be a variety of measures in the House bills that may be adopted, and I'm pretty sure (from the sound of things at least) not much of the Senate Finance bill will make it to the finish line.
That being said, I know that it's aggravating, and more, to listen to all the mindless drivel and back-and-forth that goes along with the process,... but if you're looking for perfection­--probably best to stop watching now. The fact is that health care is a huge multi-dimensional beast in need of many layers of reform--- the fact that Pres. Obama and many others ARE serious about moving in a new direction needs to be focused on, as well as the different levels of meaningful reform many of us want to see. If that means to you: immediate withdrawal of troops worldide, immediate reversal of tax policies that have been built up over the last 3 decades, etc., good luck!! Thanks

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 10/14/2009

I hope you're right, but I don't think so. The Republicans understood from Day One when Bush took over to just ram their agenda through. Bush lost the first election and had nothing close to 60 Republicans and 250+ House Republicans, yet he got through tax cuts for the wealthy and numerous other horribly oppressive pieces of legislation. Finally the Dems convinced the electorate to put in 60 of them in the Senate and 250+ into the House and a liberal Democratic President and we get people who either don't know how to use power or are completely purchased.

For any Democrat to act as if the fact that Bush started these stupid, depression-causing, depression­-sustainin­g wars 8 years ago means that the new commander-in-chief can't end them immediately and safely means that Democrat either believes in an anti-US interests war against an enemy geometrically weaker economically and militarily that sutains a depression the original war caused or doesn't understand the absolute power the commander-in-chief has to end wars.

Anyone who thinks we can have guns and butter favors war and opposes health care reform, infrastructure rebuilding and a green, energy-efficient future. It's just that simple.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 10/14/2009
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The Baucus bill is Obama's bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqe8FFqnuVQ

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 10/14/2009
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you sound like someone with a job? what about your neighbor?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 10/14/2009

Neither of us will be able to afford the insurance offered under the Baucus Bill and even if we could, it would only provide very limited coverage. I've seen the stupid cliche the health insurers and Obama's people have been using that says "don't let the good be the enemy of the perfect", meaning that by trying to obtain perfection, we must not sacrfice the good. That cliche, though true, doesn't fit the Baucus Bill.

The cliche that fits the Baucus Bill is "don't move one step forward and three steps back." The Baucus Bill is one step forward and three steps back, including for those not presently covered. This cliche is even truer with a large majority of Americans favoring a well-funded, robust, truly affordable public option open to all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 10/14/2009
    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 10/14/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 329 fans permalink
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Don't show the wingnutters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 10/14/2009
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OMG there here :))

Run tro/////////zz

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 10/14/2009
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they are going to go on the hill top now and wait to get raptured.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 10/14/2009
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What do you think it is , dreamers?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 10/14/2009
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do you know how to download movies for free online?
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 10/14/2009

I really should have said I haven't done it yet. It's really got to be as simple as downloading music.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 10/14/2009
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Scott Joplin: Maple Leaf Rag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMAtL7n_-rc

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 10/14/2009
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lol ...now, that's going back ;-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 10/14/2009
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so true :)

most folks know this one because of the movie:
The Entertainer --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPmruHc4S9Q&feature=related

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 10/14/2009
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This is always my favorite...

Ragtime Piano : SCOTT JOPLIN . " The Entertainer "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPmruHc4S9Q

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 10/14/2009
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there ya go

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 10/14/2009
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Man this a dream come true.........
My dad is gonna be busy for the next 2 months after he recognizes these names once again.

Memory loss taking effect....­....THX!!! AGAIN GUYS!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 10/14/2009
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ck anytime, love all Joplin's piano rags
fanned!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 10/14/2009
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Fusionish track with samba beat from one of my all-time favorite bands - beware the progressive art rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXgojNOhkbY

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 10/14/2009
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I love this, I've never heard of the band before but it also has some splashes of Asian music...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 10/14/2009
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This is cool, Khirad.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 10/14/2009
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