Dow Hits 10,000, Unemployment Nears 10 Percent

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First Posted: 10-14-09 01:44 PM   |   Updated: 10-14-09 05:03 PM

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For the first time in over a year, the Dow Jones Industrial Index briefly hit 10,000. While much of the economy is still languishing -- for one, unemployment hit 9.8 percent earlier this month -- the Dow has risen roughly 50 percent since March.

Whether the Dow breaking the 10,000 barrier is a good indicator of the larger economy -- or just Wall Street's recent turnaround -- is a matter for debate. Judging by the stock market alone, the economy seems to be inching its way toward a recovery.

NPR reports:

The broader indexes have risen even more sharply from their lows than the Dow, with the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index up about 58 percent, and the tech-heavy Nasdaq up about 66 percent.


Economists are heartened in particular by how the markets are moving upward rather steadily, which suggests that they could hold onto their gains.

"We haven't seen wild up-and-down moves in the market," says Brian Bethune, the chief U.S. financial economist for IHS Global Insight, an economic forecasting firm. "The tenor looks good -- not anything that would suggest any pathology that we're going one way or the other to excess."

The Huffington Post spoke to David Denslow Jr., Research Economist for the Bureau of Economic and Business Research, about the Dow's recent resurgence and its relation to employment levels. Denslow pointed out that the stock market is typically a leading indicator of the larger economy. In this case, Denslow said, the disparity between unemployment and the stock market's performance seems to be more pronounced.

"It takes quite a while," Denslow said, "before employers start hiring again because they're sufficiently convinced that times are going to get good. In this case in particular, according to the conventional wisdom at least, most forecasts expect quite a lag before the unemployment
rate comes down, with the consensus forecast being that it's going to peak sometime in early 2010."

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But what's striking about the performance of the Dow compared to the unemployment rate is how they seem to be moving in parallel during the recession, with the Dow up almost 50 percent and unemployment rising nearly 30 percent. That contrasts with the somewhat inverse relationship between the Dow and the job market from 1998 to 2008.

This may be part of the reason why, then, that at MarketWatch Mark Hulbert reports that the Dow 10K mania is not necessarily shared by all of Wall Street's investors. Pointing to "a wall of worry" among some market professionals, Hulbert reports that mutual fund managers are, on the whole, betting against the Dow's continued resurgence:

Perhaps the most compelling evidence of that strong wall of worry comes from the mutual fund arena. In September, investors actually pulled more money out of domestic equity mutual funds than they put back in -- even as the stock market hit new 2009 highs. This net outflow of funds has continued for the first half of October, as well.

Denslow, for his part, said he was optimistic that the Dow would continue to rise modestly, but cautioned against any Dow 10k fervor for average investors: "GDP probably has turned around, the stock market has come back. Those are good signs, but they're not all that pleasing when you don't have a job. My hypothesis is that we can't really tell which way [the market] is going to go."



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DOW 10,000 2.0... is that anything like Windows ME?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 10/17/2009

Unemployment still out of control and unfortunately we do not have anything that even
resembles a jobs plan from our wonderful leaders. Bailouts, tarp, health plans but no jobs.

hat tip to: http://tiny.cc/financenews

If this is change we can believe in, count me out in 2012

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 10/16/2009

Sorry, I never believed in the easter bunny and I am not buying this one either. Tell the millions of out of work Americans how great the job market is. If you are not greeted with a rasberry, you will be greeted with a boot in your keester. Not happening, but it makes for nice fiction.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/16/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 15 fans permalink

10% is a joke. It's more like 21%.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 10/16/2009
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I wish my business had enough money to buy hats.

Hell I'm just happy to be able to pay my bills.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 10/15/2009
- Overtone I'm a Fan of Overtone 22 fans permalink
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 10/15/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 15 fans permalink

I'm sorry but much of the contents at this link is fantasy and pseudoscience:

"Once a solid-state MagGen is in mass production it is expected to replace many types of batteries and ultracapacitors. ". When that becomes possible, electric cars will need no outside recharge.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 10/16/2009
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Thank you President Bush for Dow 10000 yesterday. I can only assume since all the trouble the last 9 months has been blamed on you that you are responsible for Dow 10000 yesterday. Thanks!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 10/15/2009
- Patriot86 I'm a Fan of Patriot86 33 fans permalink

Don't forget to thank Pres. Bush for a 10% unemployment rate that until his Daddy changed the way it was calculated would be 18%-depression level...thanks for the trillions of dollars we will spend on two unwinnable wars and for making Congress bail out the banks under threat of martial law...thanks President Bush...your presidency is the worst in my lifetime even surpassing Carter.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/16/2009
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Wait until Obama's is done... This won't seem so bad.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 10/17/2009

Everyday the middle class get g0uged through stealth inflation

hat tip to; http://bit.ly/1NkbAn

banks keep reporting blowout earnings while everyone muddles along

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 10/15/2009
- Furby2 I'm a Fan of Furby2 13 fans permalink
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Wouldn't it be nice if the same people who magically came up with the 10% unemployment rate were also setting credit card interest rates. Their optimism is downright infectious :)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/15/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 117 fans permalink

Remember when the righties were screaming and yelling because the stockmarket went down?

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002255/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 10/15/2009

The wealth gap will widen to levels never before imagined while the middle class ceases. Our politicians need to do more to ensure equality.

good articles; http://bit.ly/1NkbAn

A person making 60,000 pays 20,000 of it in various taxes. A person making a million or more has a tax rate of 30% compared to 90% decades ago.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 10/15/2009
- XzibitX I'm a Fan of XzibitX 127 fans permalink
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Nice to see the Ponzi scheme, bubble maker is making huge sums of money for those that received billions of our bailout, taxpayer dollars. Am I supposed to now wait for the trickle down again? The last time we got wet, it was merely an unwanted g0ld3n shower.

What they should do is purchase all of us $25,000 worth of the stocks of our choice as a gesture of appreciation for us bailing their thieving a.s.s.e.s out. Cash would be nice too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 10/15/2009
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The Stock Market does nothing for the laid off, bankrupt, hungry, and sick.

What a country!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 AM on 10/15/2009
- FHTB I'm a Fan of FHTB 71 fans permalink
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I always love it when the stock market reflects nothing about the lives of everyday Americans...until jobs come back, and I MEAN REAL ONES, the economy will be still down with a cold.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 10/15/2009
- Antiks I'm a Fan of Antiks 19 fans permalink
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This baby is swine flu.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 10/15/2009
- jasev01 I'm a Fan of jasev01 10 fans permalink

As a fairly fiscally conservative person I think that individuals need to be taxed not companies. We need to bring back the mid century tax brackets where earnings over 10 million are taxed at 80-90% and earning over 1 million are taxed at 50% and those over 5 million are taxed at 60-65%. Taxing companies prevents growth taxing individual forces them to invest there money or be taxed on it. This is not the 1900s where individual investors are the ones making the investments and creating jobs now its the corporations. To keep America competitive we can't over tax corporations but we can tax those extracting the value from our economy. For example who cares if a bank makes 10 billion a quarter so long as it is being invested in a way that gives jobs to people and promotes growth. The problem with those profits really is that they end up in the hands of only a few wealth individuals.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 10/15/2009
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Companies are escaping taxes left and right through loopholes that are apparently not going to get closed any time soon.

Meanwhile, people are tracked down for mere thousands, while corporations fail to pay to the tune of millions or more, by having a post office box in the Bahamas.

I totally agree with you though, that the current economy is orbiting around an entirely different star than the population at large... Our star is dying... while they gamble with our money rather than invest it or use it to grow jobs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 10/15/2009
- Patriot86 I'm a Fan of Patriot86 33 fans permalink

Wrong-companies do need to be taxes those moving jobs overseas need to be taxed higher than others.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 10/16/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 34 fans permalink
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Oh how wonderful... Guess what, it's gong to crash again some time next year! Why? Because the growth is false. True growth would be if the market was mirroring the growth of the US economy. Hmm see the problem. The US economy is actually sliding. So why is the stock market growing? Because those who stole the money now have tons of it and are "pumping" the market "inflating" its value so that sheepish Americans who think "they're in on it" are once again throwing their left over savings in the market, only to get purged again. The stock market has become a system by which the few that control it, (JP Morgan, Goldman Saks, etc.) purge the people of their every last penny.

Purge part two coming after you fall 2010... mark my words, and call me a fool in 2010 IF I'M WRONG!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 10/15/2009
- mravka I'm a Fan of mravka 45 fans permalink
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I think it will come before then. My bet is right before any health care legislation is passed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 10/15/2009
- Antiks I'm a Fan of Antiks 19 fans permalink
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Being that Congress and the President refuses to regulate, I think you're right.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 10/15/2009
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