White House Feud With Fox Has Nothing To Do With "News"

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First Posted: 10-20-09 01:08 PM   |   Updated: 10-20-09 02:36 PM

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When people say that the White House has "declared war" on Fox News, what do they really mean? Is the White House objecting to the criticisms put forth by Fox's opinion-mongers, like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity? Or are they locked in battle with the actual reporting arm of the media organization. It's not a distinction that the White House has been especially good at making. When ABC News' Jake Tapper pressed Robert Gibbs on this, Gibbs suggested, "You and I should watch sometime around 9 o'clock tonight. Or 5 o'clock this afternoon" -- citing the two aforementioned loose cannons of canonical Foxist opinion.

But look, it doesn't really matter, because there's very little daylight between the promulgators of opinion and the relaters of fact at Fox.

Earlier today, Rachel Weiner documented ten particularly egregious instances of Fox making actual news distortions. Following on that, we have a mash-up video from Media Matters, that further closes the gap between these two sides of the network.

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One of the things that's rather ably documented here is that when a Fox reporter wants to "raise questions" about what "some say" about something, it's their own opinion-meisters who are providing the grist for that mill. And the particular brilliance of Fox's support for the Tea Party movement is that it puts their own talking points out there in the world, and specifically in the throats of supporters, which allows the network to credibly document, "Hey! This stuff is really happening!" And that's how you manufacture consent with news content, the same way you make a painting from watercolors.

Another way Fox has simply left the fold of legitimate news organizations is by placing a nonsensical amount of emphasis on bizarre issues. Rationally speaking, White House communications director Anita Dunn and the Mao quotes she cites in lectures are simply not going to have a measurable impact on America. But skyrocketing unemployment certainly is. Similarly, the war in Afghanistan is a gripping issue in which all Americans have a huge stake -- in some cases, a life-or-death one. But the White House "Pay Czar" is only going to have an impact upon a certain population of Wall Street executives, who could end up being merely super-super-wealthy instead of super-super-super wealthy. Yet Fox would rather concern itself with the latter issue, at the expense of the former. As Dave Weigel pointed out a few days ago, when Fox places their emphasis on covering Anita Dunn instead of, say, skyrocketing unemployment, you get "news" that is "obscure and...disconnected."

Given that, it's hard to argue that Fox is doing their viewers anything other than a disservice. Or they would, anyway, if the product that they were producing was, in fact, "news." But the truth of the matter is, Fox has only a minimal stake in the production of news content. They've actually rather brilliantly solved the problem of how to sell an unpredictable commodity by abandoning that business altogether. What Fox sells now, essentially, is self-esteem. Having successfully defined themselves as the go-to source for the conservative base, Fox feeds those eyeballs with pure Soma, allowing their viewers to bliss out, have their worldview validated, and feel good about themselves. (What's really genius about this is that Fox News chairman Roger Ailes gives liberals exactly what they want, too: a source for consistent outrage that reinforces their worldview as well. No matter who you are, it's impossible to watch Fox News and not feel like your point of view is the right one!)

Round about now, folks will start attempting to build equivalencies between Fox and MSNBC, which has opened up big chunks of prime-time territory to decidedly leftist voices. But there are huge, dynamic differences between the two. MSNBC, for example, gives former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough a massive chunk of its newshole. Keith Olbermann is the only prime-time host who tends to engage in a debateless format, favoring polemical "conversations with myself" in blank verse. Rachel Maddow, who is beloved by progressives, doesn't shy away from critiquing the Obama administration, and argues her issues in a brittle, intellectual fashion. MSNBC's most doctrinal liberal voice is Ed Schultz, who will openly advocate for such things as EFCA and the public option. But even Schultz doesn't engage in the opium-selling of Fox's opinioneers. The underlying metanarrative of The Ed Show is that he isn't convinced that the Obama administration has the balls to deliver on his promises to the people who voted for him. That doesn't exactly do wonders for liberal self-esteem!

Glynnis MacNicol, in Mediaite today, wants to know why the White House press corps and the mainstream media aren't more outraged at the White House's treatment of Fox. But why would they be? I have to imagine it's because they know specifically what business they are in, and correctly recognize that Fox is just not plying the same trade.

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When people say that the White House has "declared war" on Fox News, what do they really mean? Is the White House objecting to the criticisms put forth by Fox's opinion-mongers, like Glenn Beck and S...
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- BuckCarson I'm a Fan of BuckCarson 12 fans permalink

As a socialist, I have a quite a different perspective. I believe that FOX is reporting as the American constitution intended. I think that all of the other networks are enjoying the effects of latter stage free market syndrome, wherein capitalism turns in on itself. The other networks have hired the “A” students from all of the “good” schools. These journalists are of the herd mentality genetic; they watch each other to see what’s next and have not learned to think for themselves. That’s why they are “A” students; they mimic what authority wants them to.

Glenn Beck did not go to college and works for FOX. FOX is winning the ratings now, but soon, our progressive movement will turn over the classes from rich and poor to faithful and unfaithful. The FOX type people will find themselves in the latter category, not able to compete in the emerging socialistic economy. So I believe these events are natural to our desired outcomes. Certainly not any cause for concern.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 10/23/2009

Lol ...
This blog and the MSM are a joke. You guys spread as many lies and disinformation as anyone!
If you don't think that illegals will not get the same healthcare without a verification system for being a U.S. citizen, you really are living in a "tinker bell, peter pan" world.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 10/23/2009
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 16 fans permalink
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The title is misleading. It should be :

'FOX NEWS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NEWS'

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 10/23/2009
- Tags I'm a Fan of Tags 11 fans permalink

Since the '08 election, Fox News has gone from FNN to ABNN. (Automatic Bad News Network)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 10/22/2009
- Obamanaut I'm a Fan of Obamanaut 10 fans permalink
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The only good thing I can say about Fox News is that they find all the best looking porn stars who wear the shortest skirts the while they're doing the news. I like that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 10/22/2009
- BryantG I'm a Fan of BryantG 44 fans permalink
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You're onto the secret behind their ratings.

Try a Youtube search of the phrase "fox news upskirt".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 10/22/2009
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 16 fans permalink
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Haha great stuff. So most FOX viewers must be Democrats as the Republicans are mostly closeted gays...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 10/25/2009
- Obamanaut I'm a Fan of Obamanaut 10 fans permalink
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Tweeter "99intheshade" seems to think that Obama is attacking Fox unjustly and he offers the point that if it were Bush in the White House he wouldn't go after Fox. Thank you for opening up the newest branch of stupid, Mr. 99! Fox never attacked Bush, but they attack Obama. Why? Because the president doesn't share 99's or Fox's view of the world. This is pretty simple mental work. The real problem is, most of the Fox "holes" seem to think we progressives are stupid enough to believe everything we hear without benefit of some semblance of critical thinking skills. First of all, I really don't know anyone who professes to be a democrat who will hear something on the news without looking into it further. And when we do, we find that the information is valid and accurate or that it comes from Fox. Here endeth the lesson.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 10/22/2009
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"Republican base voters believe themselves to be an oppressed minority that possesses 'knowledge and insight that the majority of Americans... do not possess.' And -- surprise -- they get their special knowledge and insight largely from Fox News."


Stephen Hawking has the absolutely perfect response to this:

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 10/21/2009
- RUKidding0 I'm a Fan of RUKidding0 5 fans permalink

Surely Hawking's admonition applies at least as much to Democrats as to Republicans, since the former seek greater government involvement in our lives and a larger role for the state and, therefore, thier actions and policies are more susceptible to the law of unintended consequences.

Oh, I forgot, they are too intelligent to be subject to this law. Sorry.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 10/21/2009
- psychodog I'm a Fan of psychodog 106 fans permalink
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You're almost right with your last line, we're just intelligent enough to look to see who's behind the curtain to see who's pulling the strings.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/21/2009
- figneutron I'm a Fan of figneutron 4 fans permalink

Your ridicule is so cute!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 10/22/2009
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BVA, what a great quote. I'd fan you, but I'm already on your list.
FAVED

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 10/21/2009
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Hello, cbd. How are you doing?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 AM on 10/22/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 104 fans permalink

The "war" between Fox and the White House is a game of "Snap, " and the Fox team and their followers are getting hysterical over a little criticism. For perspective:

Since 1992, 545 journalists around the world have been murdered. The majority were working on political, crime, corruption, war and human rights stories when they were murdered.

135 journalists have been killed in the crossfire and destruction of war around the world since 1992.

Since 2001, 340 journalists have fled into exile to avoid imprisonment or death. (Some of them are in the US -- maybe Hannity could interview one to find out what "threatened" really means.)

Around 120 journalists are in prisons around the world, either in their homeland or in other countries.

Since 2003, the US forces in Iraq have jailed about a dozen journalists without charges and have released nearly all of them, still without stating any charges or evidence against them.

-- Committee to Protect Journalists, http://cpj.org/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 10/21/2009
- Obamanaut I'm a Fan of Obamanaut 10 fans permalink
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Even if I didn't agree with Steven Hawking, I would have to re-evaluate my position if he called it into question. Respect.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 10/22/2009
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 16 fans permalink
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Next thing will be that they demand affirmative action for religious whackos...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 10/25/2009

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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 10/21/2009

Do you all want to know why FOX is doing so well? It is very simple and I will try to explain. First of all, many people are growing increasingly unhappy with Obama. There are several reasons for this and less than 1/100th of a percent is based on race. First, Obama's spending. It is out of control. Since taking office, Obama and the Democratic controlled Congress has spent almost 3 Trillion dollars. The dollar is tanking right now and Obama is still spending trillions and thinking about another stimulus. Citizens have cut back spending and think the government should do the same. They don't think we can spend our way out of a recession. Second, the economy. Obama's stimulus was supposed to cap unemployment at 8%. Unfortunately people are losing their jobs by the thousands each month with no end in sight. Furthermore, Obama is raising taxes on businesses making each job more expensive which discourages them from hiring. Third, Cap and Trade. This has been tested in Spain and they are currently trying to get it overturned. All this does is make it more expensive for companies to do business. The Chinese, Indians and Koreans dont follow cap and trade so they are free to make products for less, weakening American companies ability to compete, forcing layoffs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/21/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 247 fans permalink
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More misinformation. TARP for the banks was a bill Bush signed into law although the GOPers try to blame it on Obama. Out of control spending is the hallmark of the last 3 Republican administrations:

National Debt increase by president in constant dollars.
Under Carter: 42%
Under Reagan: 189%
Bush Act 1: 55.6%
Clinton: 36%
Bush Act 2: 89%
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

The dollar started tanking under the last Republican Administration which managed to drive it for a time under the Canadian dollar, which that government goes out of its way to keep under the American dollar.

As for raising taxes, Obama raised taxes on the richest people in the nation, who did not create jobs under Bush - when unemployment began to climb.

Try making up new nonsense to peddle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/21/2009
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You make it so darn difficult for them to peddle nonsense and propaganda.
Good work, PWM.
Thanks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 AM on 10/22/2009
- Nonpartay I'm a Fan of Nonpartay 84 fans permalink
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Did President Obama raise any taxes? I never heard that. I know he was thinking of repealing the Bush tax cuts, but as far as I know that hasn't happened either. Apparently, he's just going to let them run out when their time is up. Too bad. We could use the money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 AM on 10/22/2009
- psychodog I'm a Fan of psychodog 106 fans permalink
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Well your post is so filled with 'spin', I won't even touch the majority of what you said, since you're apparently beyond the point where an explanation would do any good.

However, 'cap and trade' finally makes companies 'internalize' the cost of the pollution they produce... a cost they're currently passing onto society.
Isn't that nice... they get the profit and taxpayers get to pick up the tab.

Isn't that SOCIALISM? *snicker*

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/21/2009

Cap and Trade will lead to dozens of companies (and thousands of jobs) leaving the US to do business in another country that will not tax the crap out of them. Why does Obama do everything within his power to kill business in this country? If he truly cared about people he wouldn't make it more expensive for companies to do business, he would make it less expensive. Its NOT rocket science. He also wouldn't make their utility bills "Skyrocket" as he promised they would. Obama is killing comapnies that hire people then complains when unemployment goes up. HOORAY, WE ONLY LOST 425,000 JOBS THIS MONTH!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 10/22/2009
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Stephen Hawking has the absolutely perfect response to this:

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Stop watching Fox, they are not giving you the correct info.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 10/21/2009

For the benefit of your loosely held grip on reality, let's assume that any of that was factually accurate; there is still little benefit in watching a "news" program hosted by individuals that do little to offer a way out of the mess that they're party is entirely responsible for creating. In the end watching Fox simply allows you to sleep better at night knowing that someone else share's your distorted view of reality.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 10/22/2009
- nubret2008 I'm a Fan of nubret2008 16 fans permalink
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without the stimulus bill we would communicate with drums and fire but not with computers anymore...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 10/25/2009

Fifth, broken promises. Candidate Barack Obama promised "if you make less than 200k year, your taxes will not increase one dime". However, Obama is spending so much that it will be impossible not to raise taxes. Furthermore, most see increases such as higher energy bills, higher insurance premiums and taxes on sodas and juice as a tax on them. Obama promised that "lobbyists won't find a job in my White House". And 14 people on his staff have been registered as lobbyists since 2005. Candidate Obama promised to post bills on line for 3 days to allow the public to scrutionize the legislation. Within 3 weeks he had broken this promise as well. There are too many more to name.
Sixth, redistribution of wealth. It is not America to take from those who work hard and give to those who are poor. There are many, many in this country who work very hard and are still not making ends meet.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 10/21/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 247 fans permalink
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Another falsehood by you.

Obama Record as of 10/21/9
Promises kept (48)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-kept/
Promises broken (7)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/
Compromises (13)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/compromise/
In the Works (124)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/in-the-works/
Overall Count
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Obama has broken 7 promises, which is far less than any GOP president has broken in the same period for the last 30 years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/21/2009
- psychodog I'm a Fan of psychodog 106 fans permalink
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Facts to a Republican are like holy water to a vampire... you just probably scared them off.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/21/2009
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Fanned. Rethugleans never read the FACTS before distorting them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 10/21/2009
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Fanned. Thanks for your research.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 10/21/2009

Not a falsehood at all. I mentioned 3 specific promises that Obama broke which even the website that YOU site says "promise broken" on 2 of them and "compromised" on 1 of them. Do you read what you post before you submit?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 10/22/2009
- Nonpartay I'm a Fan of Nonpartay 84 fans permalink
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It is only natural that those who are poor will need more in government services than those who are rich, and those who are rich can very well afford to pay more in taxes so basic human needs are met by all. The middle class, which is fast disappearing because of looting by Wall Street, should not have to pay all that much. As it has turns out, however, the big tax breaks are going to the rich instead of the middle class. Even Warren Buffet mentioned he thought it was unfair that he paid a smaller percentage in income tax than his secretary did. This has to stop. We're supposed to have a country that was constituted to provide for the general welfare and promote domestic tranquility. How do you think that will happen if the rich keep getting richer and the rest of the people have nothing? Think about it, please. Unless the middle class is able to buy things, those rich people aren't going to stay wealthy forever, and the whole thing will fall like a house of cards. Taxes are one way of equalizing somewhat the vast disparities between rich and poor. Unfortunately, the rich seem to be very good at not paying their fair share through all kinds of tax dodges so the cost of running the government is falling more and more on those who are less able to pay. Is that what you really want?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 10/22/2009

The president has made his disdain for capitalism apparent. He can't stand CEO's, Banks, large companies, the wealthy. Even though many have become wealthy through their own hard work, dedication and will, Obama thinks they are bad for America. Despite the fact they employee millions. Americans are the most generous citizens on earth. americans will help their fellow man if he/she is in need. However, Americans do not like it when they are told that their money is being taken and given to someone else that the government feels is more worthy. This policy affects everyone from Fortune 500 Companies to the Average Joe.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 10/21/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 247 fans permalink
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Go learn what socialism means before peddling that lie.

Obama is against corruption - something the GOP loves.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/21/2009
- psychodog I'm a Fan of psychodog 106 fans permalink
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All I can say is wow.

Unfettered capitalism is what got us into the situation we find ourselves in.

Please explain to us how Obama is playing Robin Hood. I'd really like to see the illogical thought process you used to come up with that idea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/21/2009
- rtlr1004 I'm a Fan of rtlr1004 10 fans permalink

Those big hearted CEO's. They make billions; they lay off half their company or better yet they close the company and ship the work overseas for cheap labor. They continue to get richer. We lose jobs. Give me a break.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 10/21/2009
- Nonpartay I'm a Fan of Nonpartay 84 fans permalink
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Sorry, but it's a common misconception promoted by right-wing radio and Faux that if someone is rich it must mean that they worked really hard for that money and thus they must deserve it. How ridiculous. No one is worth $110,000 an HOUR like the CEO of United HealthCare gets. What does he do that is so much more valuable than what I do all day? I have a very responsible job I work hard at that could make the difference between someone living or dying, but I certainly don't make that much money. He has a company that is actually responsible for killing a lot of people given that they can deny health care to their own customers and not give it to someone in the first place if they have some previous condition they don't like. Yet he's rich and I'm not. A lot of the Wall Street rich people have gotten that way through various forms of gambling in the derivatives markets. The whole thing is rigged in their favor. If they win, they make money. If they lose, the government bails them out. Nice! Naturally, that can't go on like this, and President Obama knows that and is working to fix the situation.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 AM on 10/22/2009

I agree that $110,00 an hour is ridiculous, however, there should be nothing to stop people from making millions of dollars. Do you say the same thing about basketball, baseball, football players? Roger Clemens made over $30,000 per pitch he threw during his last season with the Yankees. Yet CEO's are villianized. There are bad one's no doubt. But not all CEO's are making that kind of money. Very few are . The majority were not born rich. They went to college. Got a degree from a great University and spent hundreds of thousands to get that degree. So now that degree is paying off. Whats wrong with that? And why is Obama sending a czar to determine who makes too much money?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 10/22/2009

The American people are really starting to believe that Obama's election may have been a mistake. They hear the things I've mentioned and it seems that the only people who care are FOX. ABC's lead anchor hadn't even heard of the ACORN story until almost a week after. The media today is just an extension of Obama's administration and American's don't want a cheering squad, they want someone to hold the administration accountable. They like Obama the man but really don't support his policies. That is why I believe FOX is doing so well.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 10/21/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 247 fans permalink
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If McCain and his halfwiit running mate Palin had one the economy would be in much worse shape than it is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 10/21/2009
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And we would be at war with Iran. McCain is saber rattling now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 AM on 10/22/2009
- Dem4Lyfe I'm a Fan of Dem4Lyfe 14 fans permalink

Had one what? Single? Solitary? Uno? Un? 1?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/22/2009
- RUKidding0 I'm a Fan of RUKidding0 5 fans permalink

f the naysayers is someone who is NOT duped. I wish i could have said it as well myself.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 10/21/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 247 fans permalink
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A duped person saying someone is not duped is lame.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/21/2009
- psychodog I'm a Fan of psychodog 106 fans permalink
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"They're not duped, because they think the same way I do."

lol.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/21/2009
- mc-fizzle I'm a Fan of mc-fizzle 2 fans permalink

Fox News is a business. In the arena for 24 hr news networks they have found an under served market and have tailored the programs to communicate what that market wants to hear. Their ratings continue to sky rocket and so do their earnings. The real motivation is profit and right wing propoganda is the method to achieve it. Hate Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly all you want but they know exactly what their selling and they know what makes them millions annually. MSNCBC knows exactly what they are selling with Obermann and Meadow too. Either channel could put out objective programing but it won't draw the same numbers as these characters.

Its ironic that you hear all these conspiracy theories about death panels, masked attempts at government take over, broadcast of socialist propaganda to the school kids. Yet most these people fail to recognize the most obvious motive and the ONLY reliable human characteristics which are greed and self-interest. It is the motivator for Fox/MSNBC and its the motivator for senators who need to appease those orgnizations who provided the cash to get them elected.

All this left/right stuff is pushed on to the masses to bicker amongst themselves. Money and power will always be the true driving force.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 10/21/2009
- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 68 fans permalink

While the ultimate purpose of any business is to sustain itself through profits, equating MSNBC with Fox is just a way of muddling the issue. The conservative tactic is to always try to equate the worst of them with progressives. In the words of Bill Maher, "It's a wash". I would like to see an example of equivalent distortion on MSNBC equal to Fox telling it's viewers that President Obama hates white all people and white culture, is not legitimately POTUS, is trying to organize a secret takeover of the government, and is a communist. Fox and the other right wing media are trying to get people so frightened and paranoid that someone will take matters into their own hands and [you know what] him.

I defy anyone who disagrees that Fox is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the republican party to watch the documentary Outfoxed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 10/21/2009

There is also the terrific book, "Fair and Balanced My A$$. The Bizarre World of Fox News". By the same two guys who did "The Brotherhood of the Disappearing Pants" about Repub sex scandals.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/21/2009

Lot of truth here. So when do the masses wake up and kick the louts out? When do they begin to understand that they are being distracted and co-opted to agitate against their own best interests? And what will happen then?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 10/21/2009
- rtlr1004 I'm a Fan of rtlr1004 10 fans permalink

The video provided just a few of the ridiculous lies spread by FOX. This kind of propaganda is visible every day on FOX. They are NOT a news agency. They are a political organization with an extremist right wing agenda. Beck is--for lack of a better word--a nutcase; Hannity is a lying, loud-mouth bully who will only allow his opinion to be heard; Michelle Malkin is one of the most despicable individuals on FOX--constant misinformation. Ann Coulter turns my stomach. She is the female equivalent of Hannity; she just creates more ridiculous lies than most. FOX should not be allowed to present itself as a news agency. The FCC should be required to look into the delivery of lies consistently expressed on FOX. Every lie, every distortion, every message of misinformation should result in an excessively high fine. They got in an uproar about Janet Jackson's costume debacle and demanded an investigation. Shouldn't the FCC be even MORE concerned with "supposed" news agencies which are relentless deliverers of lies and misinformation. Isn't this the kind of thing McCarthy was chastised for in the 1950's? The network's manipulation of the public demands FCC intervention!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 10/21/2009
- Obamanaut I'm a Fan of Obamanaut 10 fans permalink
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Give Fox a break, will you please! They're every bit as much of a news entity as the National Enquirer. Sheesh!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 10/22/2009
- Nonpartay I'm a Fan of Nonpartay 84 fans permalink
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::snickering madly::

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 10/22/2009
- knosiswar I'm a Fan of knosiswar 31 fans permalink

Can we see a poll that asks the American people what they think of FOX 'News' and whether they see the bias.

If you can't see it, have you seen 'Outfoxed'?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 10/21/2009
- rtlr1004 I'm a Fan of rtlr1004 10 fans permalink

That is the frightening part of it knosiswar. MANY of the viewers do not see the bias, the manipulation of them, the lies and distortions. Clearly many Americans have been "outfoxed" because far too many people believe FOX's lies. It is a sad commentary on many American's ability to recognize of how they are being taken advantage and how they are manipulated by these self promoting commentators. Hopefully, the discussion will help some portion of the cult FOX has created to realize the tactics employed by FOX to brainwash them. It is criminal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 10/21/2009
- oldngrumpy I'm a Fan of oldngrumpy 251 fans permalink
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20% of American voters doesn't bode well for a political party, but it makes a very impressive rating for a cable "news(?)" network. A few Republicans are beginning to see that Fox isn't in their corner simply by being anti-Obama. They, however, are cornered by Fox because that 20% will have a large impact on Republican primaries.

I wouldn't want to be a Republican politician having to build on 20% of the voters who think that running off the 80% is somehow patriotic. If you were to denounce the crazy of Fox you would find yourself out of that free campaign machine and having to finance an upstream swim, possibly against your own party before you even encountered the Democrats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 10/21/2009
- RUKidding0 I'm a Fan of RUKidding0 5 fans permalink

"MANY of the viewers do not see the bias, the manipulation of them, the lies and distortions. "
"It is a sad commentary on many American's ability to recognize of how they are being taken advantage and how they are manipulated by these self promoting commentators. "

Spoken like one of the duped and manipulated, just by the other end of the political spectrum.

The ENTIRE field of politics is dominated by duplicitous manipulation of the ill informed, the rent seeking, the idealist, the corrupt, and the stupid. I won’t pretend to be able to classify you, but it is apparent that you, like 90+% of commentors here, blindly assume that you are part of a righteous movement rather than a manipulated dupe. Just like the Fox listeners you castigate, you are wrong.

I would think that you would find that sad and criminal.

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