Public Option Chess Match: Reid Working For Best Bargaining Position

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First Posted: 10-22-09 05:06 PM   |   Updated: 10-22-09 08:55 PM

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There was a slew of good news on Thursday for supporters of a public option for health insurance coverage. Two Democratic Senators who have nominally opposed the provision -- Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Kent Conrad of North Dakota -- acknowledged, somewhat begrudgingly, that the White House was fairly certain to include it in a final health care overhaul. Another public option drifter, Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) said he was open to its inclusion. ABC News, meanwhile, reported that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had come to the conclusion, following conversations with several key senators, that "he can pass a bill with a public option."

In actuality, the situation is not so clear or, for that matter, optimistic for the progressive community. In conversations with more than half a dozen health care strategists and Hill aides, the consensus seems to be that while momentum is growing for a public option, Senate Democrats still don't have the 60 votes needed to get a non-compromised version past a Republican filibuster.

Among the well informed, it was relayed that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was looking at whether he could pass a public option with an opt-out clause for states in the final Senate package. Reid would then work to make sure that a more robust, national public plan (which he himself favors) would be included in health care reform once the Senate's bill was merged with the House's version.

"The goal is to have the strongest possible bargaining position as possible," said one progressive health care strategist who has worked with leadership in Congress and the White House. "The opt-out option is the best of all the compromises and it puts Reid in decent position going into the conference committee."

As another Dem aide pushing the opt-out option relayed: "most of the feedback we've heard about opt-out has been positive, the worries focused on how it would function rather than whether or not it's a workable concept or that it would garner the needed support."

But not every signal on the health care front Thursday pointed to the opt-out clause's ascendancy. Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), the lone Republican to offer her support for a variation of health care legislation, told reporters that she didn't support the provision. Going further, she declared that she would be against any public option (regardless of the version) that came immediately with reform.

In Democratic leadership circles, meanwhile, there was hesitancy to declare that the opt-out clause could get the necessary 60 votes needed to pass a Republican filibuster.

"There are lots of ideas being batted around right now," said one high-ranking aide. "I'm not sure which one is going to stick."

Reflecting how many different balls are currently up in the air on the provision, a group of Democratic senators were set to meet on Thursday to begin discussions on how they could tinker with the public option to make it more palatable to conservative Democrats. The group, which included Sens. Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Mark Warner (Virginia) and Michael Bennet (Colorado), ended up canceling the strategy session once word surfaced in the press.

All of which is not to say that the landscape doesn't looks more optimistic for the public option today then it did during the doldrums of August. Polling numbers for the provision have risen steadily since town-hall protesters dominated the news. And some of the recalcitrant conservative Democrats have expressed curiosity if not mild support for the opt-out compromise.

But the big decision may not be coming as soon as the news reports suggest. Indeed, while much ink has been spilled speculating how the Senate Finance and HELP Committees' respective health care bills will be melded together, strategists and even members of Congress already have their eyes set on the merger talks between the House and Senate.

"I really believe is that the time will come for the White House to get engaged," Rep. Jim Clyburn told the Bill Press Show on Thursday, when asked whether President Obama had done enough to get a public option in the bill. "I do believe that if the president were to get engaged too much with the Senate, I for one would be a little concerned about him not allowing the House to be as creative as we can be. If he were to get involved in the House then the Senate would be upset. So I really believe that the time for the president and White House to be engaged is when both houses have finished their work and then we go into negotiating a final product in conference."

There was a slew of good news on Thursday for supporters of a public option for health insurance coverage. Two Democratic Senators who have nominally opposed the provision -- Ben Nelson of Nebraska an...
There was a slew of good news on Thursday for supporters of a public option for health insurance coverage. Two Democratic Senators who have nominally opposed the provision -- Ben Nelson of Nebraska an...
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I don't think the Democrats understand the position they are in. There will be riots in the streets if they pass a bill that contains an individual mandate but not a public option. The public will... more >>

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- EbonBear I'm a Fan of EbonBear 64 fans permalink
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Or, to put it another way, Reid needs to grow some cojones and get the Dems in line or sacrifice his position to Grayson.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 10/25/2009
- EbonBear I'm a Fan of EbonBear 64 fans permalink
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I find it both amusing and infuriating that the Republicans have effectively raised the bar to get anything, not just healthcare but anything, from 51 votes (or 50 and the VP) to sixty by making it clear that unless there are enough votes for cloture, they will filibuster absolutely everything.

The filibuster was intended to be a once-in-a-­great-whil­e, exceptional circumstances move and now, the Republicans are making it clear that they will filibuster absolutely everything they have a chance to. Was only a few years ago when the Republicans were threatening to eliminate the filibuster altogether because Dems filibustered three of W's most paleolithic judicial nominees. "UP OR DOWN VOTE" they screamed, they shouted that the filibuster was unconstitutional over and over (and I remember this because the website I worked for at the time had loads of advertising from conservatives about it). Eventually, they worked out a "compromise" that the filibuster could stay as long as Dems promised to never, ever use it. Now, the second they're in the minority, they threaten to filibuster everything they have a chance to. The second they're back in the majority, it'll be back to 51 votes to pass anything.

This is bull**it. The Repubs aren't trying to be a loyal opposition, they're not trying to compromise and they're trying to tilt the playing field permanently in their favour.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 10/25/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 70 fans permalink

Watch carefully America Reid and Baucus are trying to slip us a watered down piece of crap called public option but doesn't come near to the original !!!
Harry Reid and Baucus should be fired !!
They are not representing the poor and ill in this nation, come to think about it neither is President Obama !!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 10/24/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 101 fans permalink
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"Hooray! We killed quite good health reform!" signed, the GOP

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/24/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 361 fans permalink
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Health reform has not been killed. What are you talking about?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 10/24/2009
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Sen. Reid appears very weak and if I was a betting man I would have to say he just may be defeated in the next election. Where is the Democratic leadership? Why do they continue to take it on the chin? I think that most Dems and independents are dissatisfied with the leadership form both houses. They better wake up or they are going to hand back both the Senate and House to the Party of NO!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 10/24/2009

Submit your comments to Harry Reid here:

http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

We all know you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar... Yes, we're all passionate about this, but take advantage of having a direct route to the Senate majority leader like this, by being courteous and state your arguments and feelings clearly and effectively.

I like to use the technique that the person I am making the comments to is standing right in front of me. Use logic and convince him of the moral and economic RIGHTness of the public option!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 10/23/2009

Republican filibuster? Can you say "Joe Lieberman"?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 10/23/2009
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Harry Reid- Give us the passion and courage Rep Pelosi has shown us. Some down in you there is a brave warrior -man!

Nancy Pelosi has given it all she has . Which is a lot. She is deserving of VERY high praise and admiration. Harry Reid- Show the passion and courage Rep Pelosi has shown us

It is also now time for our new young President to push the ball over the very close goaline DO IT -MR PRESIDENT!-LEAD!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/23/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

"I do believe that if the president were to get engaged too much with the Senate, I for one would be a little concerned about him not allowing the House to be as creative as we can be. If he were to get involved in the House then the Senate would be upset. So I really believe that the time for the president and White House to be engaged is when both houses have finished their work and then we go into negotiating a final product in conference."

The problem with this is that it then gives zero opportunity for amending what the two houses of congress bring to the table to hammer out.

I am not an expert in the reconciliation process, but I understand that conferees cannot just make up what they'd like in conference, but must work with what's already on one side or the other side, and generally speaking what results is the common subset unless one side or the other simply refuses to compromise on some particular point, at which time they make a decision: Is there to be any bill at all handed to the president?
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 10/23/2009
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When will the democratic leadership come to realize they do NOT need 60 votes to pass helath care reform WITH a public option? They need 50 votes plus Vice President Joe Biden. Republicans did not hesitate to use reconcilation to further the bush/cheney agenda. Turn about fair play.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 10/23/2009
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Healthcare reform would have to be paid for by the richest half
of society, they fund all elections and they control government.

Keep this in mind, as next two posts are written by a rich capitalist.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 10/23/2009
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Also, you libs may find this interesting. It's just not going to happen, guys. No public option for you.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/64439-whip-count-shows-dems-lack-votes-on-public-plan

2010=1994

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/23/2009
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Now you know that libs for an absolute would not "find this interesting."

So now that we know your word is worthless,
what did you intend to do for an encore?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 10/23/2009
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Not a chance......................

And I quote:

Thirty-eight percent now call themselves conservative, while 23 percent identify themselves as liberal and 36 say they are moderates.

And those moderates have not shown they are willing to back Democrats just yet. While Democrats lead the generic ballot by 37 percent to 28 percent among independents in the CBS poll, 60 percent of independents say they disapprove of Democrats’ handling of healthcare. Just 18 percent approve."

10/20 article from TheHill.com

2010=1994

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 10/23/2009
- EbonBear I'm a Fan of EbonBear 64 fans permalink
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Independents disapprove of Democratic handling of healthcare because the Dems haven't been aggressive or progressive ENOUGH, not because they've suddenly become enamoured of the extreme-right-fringe lunatic asylum the GOP has turned into.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 AM on 10/25/2009

to "iedit". There you go again with yur idle threats. Yousay that peoplewillriot in the streets if they are mandated to have Health Insurance. No they won't riot. They will take it and use it. Enough of the "boogy-man" theory. Grow up! You don't control anything. If you don't like what you get here, leave the country, you will only be in the minority. The majority of us will remain here and use the Health Care System proudly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 10/23/2009
- emlr I'm a Fan of emlr 21 fans permalink
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Opt-out = no public option in Texas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 10/23/2009
- escribacat I'm a Fan of escribacat 361 fans permalink
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You Texans seriously need some new leadership.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 10/24/2009
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