Northwest Jet Crew Overflies Minneapolis Airport By 150 Miles

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STEVE KARNOWSKI | 10/22/09 11:23 PM | AP

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MINNEAPOLIS — Two Northwest Airlines pilots failed to make radio contact with ground controllers for more than an hour and overflew their Minneapolis destination by 150 miles before discovering the mistake and turning around.

The plane landed safely Wednesday evening, apparently without passengers realizing that anything had been amiss. No one was hurt.

The Federal Aviation Administration said the crew told authorities they became distracted during a heated discussion over airline policy and lost track of their location, but federal officials are investigating whether pilot fatigue might also have played a role.

The National Transportation Safety Board does not yet know if the crew fell asleep, spokesman Keith Holloway said, calling that idea "speculative."

The pilots didn't become aware of their situation until a flight attendant contacted them through an intercom from the cabin to the cockpit, said a source familiar with the investigation who wasn't authorized to speak publicly and asked not to be named.

Flight 188, an Airbus A320, was flying from San Diego to Minneapolis with 144 passengers and five crew. The pilots dropped out of radio contact with controllers just before 7 p.m. CDT, when they were at 37,000 feet. The jet flew over the airport just before 8 p.m. and overshot it before communication was re-established at 8:14 p.m, the NTSB said.

The FAA notified the military, which put Air National Guard fighter jets on alert at two locations. As many as four planes could have been scrambled, but none took to the air.

"After FAA re-established communications, we pulled off," said Michael Kucharek, a North American Aerospace Defense Command spokesman.

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Andrea Allmon, who had been traveling from San Diego on business, said no one on the plane knew anything was wrong until the end of the flight.

"Everybody got up to get their luggage and the plane was swarmed by police as we were getting our bags down from the overhead bins," she said.

She said they were kept on the plane briefly while police talked to the crew, then allowed off. She said she was "horrified" to learn what had happened.

"When I do my job I do my job," she said. "These guys are supposed to be paying attention to the flight. The safety of the passengers should be first and foremost. (It's) unbelievable to me that they weren't paying attention. Just not paying attention."

As of Thursday afternoon, NTSB investigators had not yet examined the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, which were being sent to Washington for analysis. Holloway said the agency was also seeking to interview the pilots, but had not scheduled a meeting.

A320s are equipped with a phone-like device that airline dispatchers can use to contact the crew, said Shirley Phillips, a former simulator instructor for US Airways who has flown the A320.

"It's fairly loud," she said. "There's lots of whistles and bells and things in the Airbus that all signify different things, but it has a pretty distinctive sound to it. I wouldn't say that you would mistake it for anything else."

In any case, she said the cockpit voice recorder should prove whether the pilots were arguing, as they claim.

"It literally records when they sneeze. It's going to record all the noise that goes on there."

One of the two pilots should have been paying attention to the radio, said Ronald Carr, a former Air Force and American Airlines pilot who teaches flight physiology at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. But he added that "sometimes you can have such heated discussions and get so distracted that you lose situational awareness, and when you're traveling seven miles a minute, that can happen pretty quick."

The two pilots have been suspended from flying while Delta Air Lines Inc. conducts an internal investigation, said Anthony Black, a spokesman for the Atlanta-based airline, which acquired Northwest last year. He refused to name them or give further details on their background or what happened in the air.

Air traffic controllers in Denver had been in contact with the pilots as they flew over the Rockies, FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said. But as the plane got closer to Minneapolis, she said, "the Denver center tried to contact the flight but couldn't get anyone." Denver controllers notified their counterparts in Minneapolis, who also tried to reach the crew without success, Brown said. Controllers and the pilots finally resumed communication when the plane was over Eau Claire, Wis.

"Radar controllers were the whole time trying to make audio contact with that plane," said Tony Molinaro, an FAA spokesman in Chicago. He said he was not aware of controllers diverting any other flights, which was unnecessary because the Northwest jet was flying high enough to safely avoid planes approaching Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

It was not clear who initiated communications when contact finally was made, Brown said.

After the plane landed, two airport police officers boarded the plane at the gate, which authorities said is standard procedure after a crew loses communication with air traffic controllers.

Kelly Regus, a spokeswoman for the Delta branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, declined to comment.

The Federal Aviation Administration is updating decades-old rules governing how long commercial pilots can fly and remain on duty. The NTSB also cautioned government agencies this week about the risks of sleep apnea contributing to transportation accidents.

In January 2008, two go! airlines pilots fell asleep for at least 18 minutes during a midmorning flight from Honolulu to Hilo, Hawaii. The plane passed its destination before controllers raised the pilots, who landed safely. The captain was later diagnosed with sleep apnea.

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Associated Press Airlines Reporter Joshua Freed in Minneapolis, AP writers Martiga Lohn and Brian Bakst in St. Paul, David Koenig in Dallas, and Anne Gearan and Joan Lowy in Washington contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

FlightAware.com tracking of Northwest Flight 188: http://bit.ly/2QV9hX

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- KarenHurtz I'm a Fan of KarenHurtz 34 fans permalink
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Are all of our Air Force fighters deployed overseas? After an hour and a half, they had to give special instructions to the pilots on this airliner in order to determine whether or not the plane was being flown by terrorists? Why did we not have had an Air Force fighter pilot looking into the cabin window to get that information. There should be a Congressional investigation into the entire matter.

Sadly, the priorities of our government are so out of whack anymore that responses to emergencies - be it run away airliners or the supposed collapse of the financial system - are without any logical basis or forethought. I must say that in this instance the response is more disturbing than the event.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 AM on 10/24/2009
- noweknow I'm a Fan of noweknow 7 fans permalink

For monitoring purposes a satellite linked internet webcam should be required in the cockpit.

Police should tape off the crime scene and send in a forensic team to collect evidence and examine cockpit floor and instrument panel for semen and confiscate stewardess thong or undies for DNA match.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/24/2009
- hey0there I'm a Fan of hey0there 4 fans permalink

maybe something happened in the cockpit that they didn't want anyone to hear. so they made sure to stay out long enough for the black box to start recording over again and then another half hour to make sure it had been overwritten with their intense conversation about airline protocols

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 10/24/2009

In the post 9/11 era why is it that the traffic control, after 10 minutes of no contact, would request that fighter-jets be scrambled immediately to investigate. What were they waiting for.

Where is homeland security?

Where was the military?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 10/23/2009
- BroMan I'm a Fan of BroMan 3 fans permalink

Uh?? "... Love is in the air, everywhere I look around..."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 10/23/2009

Falling asleep on the job is pretty much the MO of union members.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 10/23/2009
- Ventoi I'm a Fan of Ventoi 6 fans permalink
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I am glad to see the UN is protecting things like universal adaptors now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/23/2009
- Ventoi I'm a Fan of Ventoi 6 fans permalink
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If perception can go on to such extents...
9/11 may need to be reevaluated...
yes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/23/2009
- Ventoi I'm a Fan of Ventoi 6 fans permalink
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A dream can shed
a million doubts...
the hab'er knows
what its all about..

I was sharing this 'dream' with my brother, yesterday, I guess...
the days are so busy...

When I was a child...I read a story about an Asian father...
he had five or seven sons...
each son had a special power...
one could drink the oceans...and hold them inside...
one could make himself as tall as the sky...
etc.

IN MY DREAM...in was looking at a catalogue...
in the overly suited to my tastes catalogue there was a picture of a little house
I once dreamed of...
where myself and my prince charming would live...
another girl moved into the house...

as I was 'thinking' 'about' Prince Charming...
the Frog Prince seemed to fall out of the sky...
(in my dream)
and around my ears...due to the intense fall...and the gravity associated...
he ended up falling around me with hanging jowls for cheeks...

I assumed he was 'protecting' someone on a flight or something...
if he can do that...
then they can do wrong, also.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/23/2009
- JFD8 I'm a Fan of JFD8 12 fans permalink

Northwest is now under suspicion
Of hiding its pilot condition;
With its jet on approach
Only saps flying coach
Had to be in the upright position.

News Short n' Sweet by JFD8
http://twitter.com/JFD8

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 10/23/2009
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The cockpit voice recorder reportedly sounds like the pilots were watching the restaurant scene from 'When Harry Met Sally', over and over.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 10/23/2009
- BroMan I'm a Fan of BroMan 3 fans permalink

LOL....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 10/23/2009
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It simply amazes me that the FAA, ALPA, DOD, EASA & AvWeek continue to ignore the root cause of fatigue, namely what we eat. 

Ordinary folks know that a heavy holiday meal makes us sleepy.  Flight attendants notice that passengers doze after eating.  A common sedative for insomniacs is a glass of milk.  Savvy business execs feed fancy foods to visitors to make them drowsey during after-lunch negotiatio­ns.   Bost­on Celtic star Bill Russell always emptied his stomach before big games so as to be fully alert and focused on his work instead of having his attention diverted to a queasy belly.  We also know that the CO2 bubbles in carbonated beverages displace the oxygen that our bodies need to be alert.   

AviationWeek focused published a special report about FATIGUE in their Sept21 issue. This is obviously a major problem as both pilots have been know to fall asleep while at the controls of passenger jets. But the experts quoted in that report all focused on getting more sleep, not on eating less food.

Pilots have a special resonsibility for many lives; therefore they should be willing to forgo ordinary eating habits so as to be fully alert during their shifts.  This could require no eating for ? hours before flights & no eating during flights.  And maybe even using oxygen masks during approaches & landings.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 10/23/2009
- Donns I'm a Fan of Donns 7 fans permalink

One would have thought that someone would have looked at the clock and wondered why it wasn't time to start the descent or maybe even wondered why ATC wasn't calling them about something.

As bad as it was, can you imagine if Homeland Security had decided to shoot them down? It's not that far fetched to think that this could happen someday and over something stupid like this (of course it will be covered up immediately)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 10/23/2009
- Babzter I'm a Fan of Babzter 23 fans permalink
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In the days immediately following 9/11, I think they would have been shot down.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 10/23/2009
- ohmetoo I'm a Fan of ohmetoo 28 fans permalink
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You would think that in this day and age there would be a second communications link with the ground control say from the rear crew area.

The recording is being reviewed by Northern's attorneys right now. Let the spinning of the story begin to creat the best possible scenario to avoid upsetting their potential customers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 10/23/2009
- JohnTy I'm a Fan of JohnTy 6 fans permalink

Am amazed that nobody has so far blamed Obama.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 10/23/2009
- perk I'm a Fan of perk 16 fans permalink

The pilots were inherited from the previous administration.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 10/23/2009
- Babzter I'm a Fan of Babzter 23 fans permalink
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LOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 10/23/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 386 fans permalink
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People do occasionally lose radio communications, however they don't fly 150 miles past their destination.

What normally happens is you miss the handoff to the next controller and then fly out of range of the original controller. Eventually somebody will call you on the emergency frequency of 121.5 or relay it through another aircraft.

Failing that, they call your company on the phone who then sends you an ACARS message of "Hey dummy! Denver Center wants to talk to you on 135.2"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 10/23/2009

If that plane was AWOL for an hour and 15 minutes, where was NORAD? Where was Homeland Security? How would they know that plane was not hijacked? After all the money spent to supposedly protect us, this is the best they can do??

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 10/23/2009
- Charity I'm a Fan of Charity 16 fans permalink
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not an hour and 15 - only about 15 or 16 minutes, which is still a long time to be out of contact.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 AM on 10/23/2009
- Charity I'm a Fan of Charity 16 fans permalink
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oh, sorry - my fault - i misread. okay, now i'm scared.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 10/23/2009
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