Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming

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DINA CAPPIELLO | 10/22/09 11:28 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Americans seem to be cooling toward global warming.

Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. And the share of people who believe pollution caused by humans is causing temperatures to rise has also taken a dip, even as the U.S. and world forums gear up for possible action against climate change.

In a poll of 1,500 adults by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, released Thursday, the number of people saying there is strong scientific evidence that the Earth has gotten warmer over the past few decades is down from 71 percent in April of last year and from 77 percent when Pew started asking the question in 2006. The number of people who see the situation as a serious problem also has declined.

The steepest drop has occurred during the past year, as Congress and the Obama administration have taken steps to control heat-trapping emissions for the first time and international negotiations for a new treaty to slow global warming have been under way. At the same time, there has been mounting scientific evidence of climate change – from melting ice caps to the world's oceans hitting the highest monthly recorded temperatures this summer.

The poll was released a day after 18 scientific organizations wrote Congress to reaffirm the consensus behind global warming. A federal government report Thursday found that global warming is upsetting the Arctic's thermostat.

Only about a third, or 36 percent of the respondents, feel that human activities – such as pollution from power plants, factories and automobiles – are behind a temperature increase. That's down from 47 percent from 2006 through last year's poll.

"The priority that people give to pollution and environmental concerns and a whole host of other issues is down because of the economy and because of the focus on other things," suggested Andrew Kohut, the director of the research center, which conducted the poll from Sept. 30 to Oct. 4. "When the focus is on other things, people forget and see these issues as less grave."

Andrew Weaver, a professor of climate analysis at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, said politics could be drowning out scientific awareness.

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"It's a combination of poor communication by scientists, a lousy summer in the Eastern United States, people mixing up weather and climate and a full-court press by public relations firms and lobby groups trying to instill a sense of uncertainty and confusion in the public," he said.

Political breakdowns in the survey underscore how tough it could be to enact a law limiting pollution emissions blamed for warming. While three-quarters of Democrats believe the evidence of a warming planet is solid, and nearly half believe the problem is serious, far fewer conservative and moderate Democrats see the problem as grave. Fifty-seven percent of Republicans say there is no solid evidence of global warming, up from 31 percent in early 2007.

Though there are exceptions, the vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is occurring and that the primary cause is a buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels, such as oil and coal.

Jane Lubchenco, head the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, told a business group meeting at the White House Thursday: "The science is pretty clear that the climate challenge before us is very real. We're already seeing impacts of climate change in our own backyards."

Despite misgivings about the science, half the respondents still say they support limits on greenhouse gases, even if they could lead to higher energy prices. And a majority – 56 percent – feel the United States should join other countries in setting standards to address global climate change.

But many of the supporters of reducing pollution have heard little to nothing about cap-and-trade, the main mechanism for reducing greenhouse gases favored by the White House and central to legislation passed by the House and a bill the Senate will take up next week.

Under cap-and-trade, a price is put on each ton of pollution, and businesses can buy and sell permits to meet emissions limits.

"Perhaps the most interesting finding in this poll ... is that the more Americans learn about cap-and-trade, the more they oppose cap-and-trade," said Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., who opposes the Senate bill and has questioned global warming science.

Regional as well as political differences were detected in the polling.

People living in the Midwest and mountainous areas of the West are far less likely to view global warming as a serious problem and to support limits on greenhouse gases than those in the Northeast and on the West Coast. Both the House and Senate bills have been drafted by Democratic lawmakers from Massachusetts and California.

One of those lawmakers, Sen. Barbara Boxer of California, told reporters Thursday that she was happy with the results, given the interests and industry groups fighting the bill.

"Today, to get 57 percent saying that the climate is warming is good, because today everybody is grumpy about everything," Boxer said. "Science will win the day in America. Science always wins the day."

Earlier polls, from different organizations, have not detected a growing skepticism about the science behind global warming.

Since 1997, the percentage of Americans that believe the Earth is heating up has remained constant – at around 80 percent – in polling done by Jon Krosnick of Stanford University. Krosnick, who has been conducting surveys on attitudes about global warming since 1993, was surprised by the Pew results.

He described the decline in the Pew results as "implausible," saying there is nothing that could have caused it.

The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

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Associated Press writers Seth Borenstein and Kevin Freking contributed to this report.

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On the Net:

The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press: http://www.people-press.org

(This version adds corrected graphic.)

WASHINGTON — Americans seem to be cooling toward global warming. Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. ...
WASHINGTON — Americans seem to be cooling toward global warming. Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. ...
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- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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They must not have asked the right questions, because in

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Maybe the 60% support for the Boxer-Kerry bill, (68% among people under 50 years old!) has to do with the fact that carbon dioxide emissions come from fuels that compromise national security. Shame on those of you over 50 who don't care about your grandkids dying in oil wars.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/29/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Yes, polls are so heavily influenced by the way questions are phrased. Climate change is a very important topic to so many and especially among the educated and young.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/29/2009
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 75 fans permalink
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good news everyone!!!

since we all changed to those cooler compact fluorescent light bulbs the climate is responding:

April 29th, 2009 Ranchers slog through snowy, chilly spring CHEYENNE, Wyo. — Snowy, soggy, chilly weather has taken a severe toll on sheep and cattle across the northern Great Plains this spring.
1st day of fall brings snow, cold to Colorado, freezing temperatures acros mountains in West

September 22nd, 2009 1st day of fall brings snow, cold to ColoradoVAIL, Colo. — The first day of fall feels more like the first day of winter for some of the mountain West, with light snow and chilly temperatures across Colorado and freeze warnings for higher elevations in New Mexico, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah and Arizona.

and even today!

Early storm dumps snow across Rockies, western plains; 70 accidents reported in Wyoming

By Mead Gruver, AP October 28th, 2009

The storm was expected to be the biggest snowmaker to hit Colorado’s Front Range in October since 1997, said Byron Louis, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Boulder, Colo. The storm was even more unusual in parts of western Colorado. In Grand Junction, where about 2 inches fell, it was the heaviest snowfall this early in the season since 1995, said National Weather Service hydrologist Bryon Lawrence. Cold Creek in the southwest had recorded 28 inches by midafternoon.http://blog.taragana.com/n/early-storm-dumps-snow-across-rockies-western-plains-70-accidents-reported-in-wyoming-210049/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 10/28/2009
- Publicola I'm a Fan of Publicola 16 fans permalink
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29% of Americans do not understand that the Earth goes around the Sun (http://science.drvinson.net/polls). That 29% are unfortunately unlikely to understand the following, either:

1: Short-term statistical variability does not undermine the significance of long term statistical trends.

2: The past several years have all been amongst the warmest years since direct temperature measurements have been recorded .

3. That mean global temperature has also been increasing over this period.

4. That increase in the mean global temperature means there is an increased overall energy in the earth-atmosphere system, which can and will manifest itself in more extreme weather, both hotter *and colder*.

5. By only looking at atmospheric temperatures one is ignoring 97% of where the increased energy is going in the earth-atmosphere system: 90% goes into the oceans, and 7% goes into melting ice. Related to that during a La Nina the upwelling of cold water in the eastern Pacific soaks up heat from the atmosphere.

More on point #5 here:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14527-climate-myths-global-warming-stopped-in-1998.html?full=true

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/29/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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"2: The past several years have all been amongst the warmest years since direct temperature measurements have been recorded."

... while the Sun's output has been lower than average.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090402200749.htm

But deniers like fumes won't be convinced by mere facts. You might as well try to reason with a dining room table.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/29/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

It seems like Inhoffe is alone with his climate change deneir lies int he senate. Even the other conservatives are abandoned his anti-science position. I guess they do not want to be the party of "no" and anti-science forever.

"It must be very lonely being the last flat-earther."

"Fellow Republicans on the committee made it clear that they no longer share, if they ever did, Inhofe's view that man-made global warming is the "greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.""

"Eleven academies in industrialized countries say that climate change is real; humans have caused most of the recent warming," admitted Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.). "If fire chiefs of the same reputation told me my house was about to burn down, I'd buy some fire insurance."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102702845.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 10/28/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Sorry, misspelled "denier."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/28/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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That's okay, deneirs can't spell anyway.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 10/29/2009
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I prefer a warmer climate.

"I'd rather be lookin' for a shade-tree than choppin' firewood."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 AM on 10/28/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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Go to he||.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 10/28/2009
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Not that warm please - just warmer than now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 10/29/2009
- arlandbaee I'm a Fan of arlandbaee 32 fans permalink

Unfortunately for you, based on current continental positions, you will get a much warmer planet, as well as a much drier earth. If the trends are correct, most of the continents will become much drier as ocean currents adjust to warmer waters. Once the arctic ice cap is gone you will see quite a change in atmospheric trade winds because of the change in ocean currents. Good luck. Buy Greenland!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 10/28/2009
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"Once the arctic ice cap is gone"

If the arctic ice cap is turning into a liquid and over filling the oceans which then flood the lands how are the continents drier.

Flooding causes things to be wetter.
you are just Stooooo.pid.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 10/29/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Yea, spikey, once the seas flood low-lying countires they will have plenty of water, although little they can use. The sea waters ruin the fresh water (it is no longer drinkable) and ruins the arable land. Of course, putting all those complex thoughts together is difficult for a denier.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 10/29/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 18 fans permalink

There's a reasonable probability that if we wait ten years to take action we won't be able to stop the climate change in time. Millions of lives and trillions of dollars are at stake.

That could be wrong. Lots of indications say it's right.

Taking action also cleans up the air we breath and prepares us for when oil runs out in a few years.

Hmm. Should we continue to do nothing? It's only the future of the world at stake.

Will they call us The Age of Stupid? Will there be anyone left to call us that?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 10/27/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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But clean air, 100% off-grid Sun-powered homes, and no petroleum, coal or nuclear corporations are all frightening possibilities. It is right that we should be more circumspect about subsidizing "green jobs" than we ever were about subsidizing coal and petroleum.

http://www.grist.org/article/2009-09-22-fossil-fuel-subsidies-dwarf-clean-energy-subsidies-obama-wants/

Wait, no, that's ridiculous.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 10/28/2009
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"Only about a third, or 36 percent of the respondents, feel that human activities – such as pollution from power plants, factories and automobiles – are behind a temperature increase. That's down from 47 percent from 2006 through last year's poll."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 10/26/2009
- Johnagain I'm a Fan of Johnagain 45 fans permalink
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And probably about the same proportion of Americans 'feel' that their cats go to heaven when they die, or that astrology is real, that the Rapture is coming, that they can will themselves to prosperity, or that any number of other religious absurdities are true. All this kind of poling does is illustrate how hopelessly intellectually crippled our adult population is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 10/27/2009
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It is ironic that you consider people of faith intellectually crippled. What is your faith in CO2 polution based on? Do you have a personal relationship with a climate model?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 10/28/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

According to the article, "The poll was released a day after 18 scientific organizations wrote Congress to reaffirm the consensus behind global warming. A federal government report Thursday found that global warming is upsetting the Arctic's thermostat." It shows the gap between the factual world of science and the make-believe world of deniers. The deniers only hope is to continually misinform the public.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 10/26/2009
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Is this the same federal government that told us if we didn't pass the stimulus bill, we'd have a 1929-like depression, then rammed it through without debate or public review? Ater all, a consensus of economists thought it was the right thing to do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 10/27/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Your point has nothing to do with the scientifiic consensus on warming that was reaffirmed by 18 scientiifc organizations. If you want to live in ignorance it is up to you!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 10/27/2009
- Johnagain I'm a Fan of Johnagain 45 fans permalink
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So you think that everything the government says can all be categorized identically, as wrong because it comes from the same government. That kind of thinking demonstrates a child-like understanding of what government is, at best. 'The government' says thousands of things every day. Some of it is wrong, some of it is not. When scientists who study a subject are as unanimous as those in the climate science field concerning this problem, it is to be taken as true, no matter how it is treated by 'the government'.

Economists are not scientists, but instead wear the mantle (falsely) of science, attempting to co-opt its legitimacy. Economists pretend to deal in objective analysis of hard data. They do no such thing, and never have.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/27/2009
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My point is that I want the country to remain prosperous and preserve the right of every citizen to pursue happiness and not have what the current administration and congress want to ram down our throats. It's sad what happened in the last year as our leadership takes over private industry and encourages people to become more dependent on government instead of taking personal responsibility. It isn't worth gambling on a vague posibility we could do something about climate change, if we lose our liberties in the process.

There is a consensus in your minds of many of those represented by the 18 scientific organizations, but that doesn't make it a consensus. Contrary to what consensors believe, currently warm temperatures may not be due to man-made CO2. That argument can't be proved without model fitting and predictions. There are plenty of good scientists who have data making that case. Lindzen and Choi found evidence refuting IPCC model predictions that more radiation is trapped in the earths atmosphere as the temperature rises: http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf

McLean et al. assert that natural forcings explain a majority of global temperature variance: http://climatedebatedaily.com/southern_oscillation.pdf

And don't forget those pesky clouds where we do have a consensus that they can't be adequately characterized by IPCC models. http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports//tar/wg1/271.htm http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/02/what-about-the-clouds-andy/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/28/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Climate refugees who are pouring into Kenya to escape the Somolia heat and drought are forced to give up their citizenship. There are an estimated 10 million people worldwide who have been driven out of their homes by rising seas, failing rain, desertification or other climate-driven factors. They must have missed the polling that says many Americans do not believe in warming.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-climate-refugees25-2009oct25,0,4396751.story

Bangladeshe children are going to school on boats to escape the flood waters. Once in twenty year floods are coming every few years. Fresh water is growing scarce. They must have missed the recent polling data.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=bangladesh+floods&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=3&title=Bangladesh+floods%3A+rich+nations+%27must+share+the+blame%27+-+SciDev.Net&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scidev.net%2Fen%2Feditorials%2Fbangladesh-floods-rich-nations-must-share-the-bl.html&sg=NQtTDDfpM0ikocJfA9uhZdvHQ4ZX2XCydV8kWTlTdmc%3D&tsp=1256581212039

Meanwhile, the hopes of saving coral reefs are so bleak scientists are freezing samples of them to preserve them for the future. Corals don't read polls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8324954.stm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 10/26/2009
- Richard2 I'm a Fan of Richard2 10 fans permalink

To summarize the latest poll:

36% of Americans think anthropogenic Global Warming is real.

64% of Americans think anthropogenic Global Warming is not real.

The percentage of Americans who think AGW is real dropped by roughly 24% over the last 12 months, or 2% per month, from 47% to 36%. If this rate of decline continues for another full year, only 27% of Americans will think AGW is real.

Meanwhile, winter has not yet arrived, but is looming before us. The fall weather in the Northern Hemisphere is already unusually cold in many areas. If this winter is a reversion to the cold weather of much earlier decades, the steep decline in Americans' belief in Global Warming will likely accelerate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 10/25/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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You're just taking the most recent data points and assuming a straight line forever. That's not scientific at all. You don't even have a hypothesis. What is causing this trend in public opinion?

"The priority that people give to pollution and environmental concerns and a whole host of other issues is down because of the economy and because of the focus on other things," suggested Andrew Kohut, the *director of the research center*, which conducted the poll from Sept. 30 to Oct. 4. "When the focus is on other things, people forget and see these issues as less grave."

If anybody would know what this short-term phenomenon really means, don't you think it would be "the director of the research center, which conducted the poll"?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/26/2009
- Richard2 I'm a Fan of Richard2 10 fans permalink

Historically, there has been a cycle to various mankind disasters. Global Warming fits this normal cycle, except that the government support for this "crisis" is beyond anything before. We have reached the point where most people say, "OK, where is the beef?"

The predictions made ten or twenty years ago have not occurred. The disaster stories about seasonal ice events in the Antarctic have been revealed as misleading.

Today we have satellites that monitor the melting and freezing of sea ice in the Arctic and Antarctic, and the poles seem to be acting perfectly normal. We have tide station data on-line from all the NOAA tide stations, plus data from around the world. This data shows no unusual activity; if anything, the Pacific Ocean's sea level may have slipped down a little recently.

Once people start looking at this topic with open eyes, and starting checking reality against the claims of the alarmists, the Global Warming Scare is doomed. It looks like most of the people have already looked.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 10/27/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

R2, the projections on warming have proven understated unlike the strawmen you create.

"The data available for the period since 1990 raise concerns that the climate system, in particular sea level, may be responding more quickly to climate change than our current generation of models indicates."

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/316/5825/709

"Hundreds of leading scientists warned Thursday that global warming is accelerating beyond the worst predictions and threatening to trigger "irreversible" climate shifts on the planet."

"The worst-case IPCC scenario trajectories (or even worse) are being realized," the scientists said in a statement. "There is a significant risk that many of the trends will accelerate, leading to an increasing risk of abrupt or irreversible climatic shifts.""

http://news.aol.com/article/climate-changes/376821

"Arctic sea ice is melting at a significantly faster rate than projected by even the most advanced computer models, a new study concludes. The research, by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), shows that the Arctic's ice cover is retreating more rapidly than estimated by any of the 18 computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in preparing its 2007 assessments."


http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/seaice.shtml


Again, there is a wide discrepency between the science and what deniers are preaching.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 10/27/2009
- Publicola I'm a Fan of Publicola 16 fans permalink
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Richard2: "To summarize the latest poll ... 64% of Americans think anthropogenic Global Warming is not real."

Wrong. Per this poll 16% -- not 64% -- of Americans think Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is not real.

Compare that 16% to the 29% of Americans who do not think that the Earth goes around the Sun. (http://science.drvinson.net/polls)

The same the 29% of Americans who do not understand that the Earth goes around the Sun are unfortunately unlikely to understand the following, either:

1: Short-term statistical variability does not undermine the significance of long term statistical trends.

2: The past several years have all been the warmest years since direct temperature measurements have been recorded .

3. That mean global temperature has also been increasing over this period.

4. That increase in the mean global temperature means there is an increased overall energy in the earth's system, which can and will manifest itself in more extreme weather, both hotter and colder*

5. By only looking at atmospheric temperatures one is ignoring 97% of where the increased energy is going in the earth's system- 90% of which goes into the oceans 7% of which goes into melting glaciers and other ice. Related to that: during a La Nina, as occurred in 2008, the upwelling of old water in the eastern Pacific soaks up heat from the atmosphere.

More details on point #5 here:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14527-climate-myths-global-warming-stopped-in-1998.html?full=true

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 10/26/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Excellent post!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 10/26/2009
- Johnagain I'm a Fan of Johnagain 45 fans permalink
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You're presenting to many of those pesky facts. The name of the gave for global warming deniers is to stick to the ideology. Nothing Americans (God's favorites) do to make money and maintain their comfort could ever have harmful effects on the environment. If that were to happen, we would have to seriously rethink our place in the cosmos. We would have to jettison the primitive, tribal notions that we've clung to through our religions and face the possibility that we are not the center of all existence, but rather are like any other species that can and will doom itself due to resource depletion.

I think Richard2 is completely correct when he says: "If this winter is a reversion to the cold weather of much earlier decades, the steep decline in Americans' belief in Global Warming will likely accelerate."

Most Americans are incapable and/or disinclined to consider anything that transpires outside of their own backyards. Most are incapable or unwilling to make that huge intellectual leap required to distinguish weather from climate, instead preferring only to see the world that exists in their own tiny position in space and time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/28/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 137 fans permalink
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The Sun has been in a bit of a lull the past couple years. Its output varies on a nine to 14 year cycle, usually 11 but this time, 13 with an extended minimum. So it's been unusually easy for deniers to find a short-term trend that on its face appears to contradict the science. But global warming is real and within five years U.S. voters will feel it again. Also, I think the financial crisis and health care are about as much crisis as some people can contemplate at once. In the long run, Americans are smarter than their response to the publicity campaign against science indicates.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 10/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Yes, there are the fewest sunspots in about a century and last year was a cooling la Nina so deniers can cherrypick the data for now!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 10/25/2009
- texfly I'm a Fan of texfly 17 fans permalink
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Belief in AGW, or not, really doesn't matter ... ACTION does. We who see the science know that actions can be taken that will lower our carbon footprint AND create a sustainable. GROWING economy using renewable energy. Forget the oil, coal and natural gas-bags and organize our own investment pools to compete head-to-head. We all know that IT (meaning conversion to cheap renewable energy) will happen. It is time for us to gather together and lead the parade instead of trying to impose facts on people who operate on "faith".

Would that we could have a conspiracy like Nader describes in "only the super-rich can save us"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

Science always trumps the wild claims, misinformation, and conspiracy theories offered by the deniers. They are the only ones who do not realize it!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 10/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

The lastest wild claim by denier's is that it has not warmed in the last ten years. Forget they are cherrypicking the very hot outlier year of 1998 as their starting point that was influenced by a warming el Nino and a significant amount of solar activity. Forget most years since then have been very close to the record warmth of that year or in the case of 2005 warmer and 2007 just as warm.

Take the scientists word for it...

Professor Barry Brook is Sir Hubert Wilkins Chair of Climate Change and Director of the Research Institute for Climate Change and Sustainability at the University of Adelaide.

"Claims that global warming stopped in [... insert convenient year] underscore a fundamental lack of understanding about the difference between a trend and variability - or else a deliberate attempt to mislead people with the intent of further delaying action on climate change.

The trend for global warming is consistently upwards, but in any given month, or even season or year, the actual temperature will be variable.

The point is, there is a lot of month-to-month variability, whatever month you happen to cherry pick. But the trend is consistently upwards - all of the above temperature anomalies are greater than the 1950-1980 average, by +0.3 to +1.6°C.

2008 is expected to be a slightly cooler year than 2007, largely because of a particularly intense La Niña and the current low solar activity.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 10/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

(cont.)

Dr Robert Fawcett and Dr David Jones are from the National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology.

"There is very little justification for asserting that global warming has gone away over the past ten years, not least because the linear trend in globally-averaged annual mean temperatures (the standard yardstick) over the period 1998-2007 remains upward.


Dr Andrew Glikson is an Earth scientist at the Australian National University in Canberra,

"Some advocates of the 'pro-Carbon lobby' use climate data selectively, namely, they use low seasonal or annual points below the average trend as 'evidence' for cooling, and high points above the average trend to say that subsequent years represent a 'cooling'. "

"It is essential to make a distinction between climate trends and annual or even multi-annual variations, as based on advanced studies of the recent climate history of Earth."

"The atmosphere is extremely sensitive to forcing by minor levels of greenhouse gas... The forced anthropogenic release of over 300 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere since the dawn of the industrial age, raising CO2 levels to near 390 ppm, has severely upset this delicate balance, threatening to return the Earth's climate to conditions which existed three million years ago (mid-Pliocene), when temperatures were 2-3 degrees higher than at present and sea level higher by some 25+/-12 metres."


http://www.aussmc.org/Is_the_Earth_Cooling.php

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- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 75 fans permalink
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who's this guy?

There is an Associated Press [AP] news article today by Dina Cappiello, Seth Borenstein and Kevin Freking titled “Poll: US belief in global warming is cooling”. In this article the reporters perpetuate the myth that

“Though there are exceptions, the vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is occurring and that the primary cause is a buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels, such as oil and coal.”

This is not true and is a case of the media seeking to make up news.

We have already documented that a significant minority of climate scientists do not consider greenhouse gases as the primary cause for global warming, and, more generally, [as the primary] cause [of] climate change; e.g. see

Brown, F., J. Annan, and R.A. Pielke Sr., 2008: Is there agreement amongst climate scientists on the IPCC AR4 WG1?

and

National Research Council, 2005: Radiative forcing of climate change: Expanding the concept and addressing uncertainties. Committee on Radiative Forcing Effects on Climate Change, Climate Research Committee, Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, Division on Earth and Life Studies, The National Academies Press, Washington, D.C., 208 pp.

http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/

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- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

It is just nuts to say that many climate scientists do not agree with the consensus that co2 emissions cause an increase in temperature and you notice your source makes that ridiculous statement without giving the names of those scientists who disagree. How can deniers be so gullible? It seems impossible.

Pielke is the usual climate denier that has been using a few years of a long trend to distort the data. Real scientists know the earth has warmed in the last decade. Pielke is just printing nonsense to stay in the headlines.

"Perhaps the most pervasive meme in the climate crank blogosphere is that the Earth hasn’t warmed for the last 10 years (or since 1998)."

"Fundamental atmospheric physics tells us that this will cause a planetary energy imbalance, which can only be ‘corrected’ (brought back into radiative equilibrium) by a raising of the global temperature."

"Indeed, it has been shown that about 90% of this additional energy has be used to heat water and about 7% to melt ice. Only about 3% is left over to warm the air. So we shouldn’t be at all surprised if air temperatures show the weakest response to the enhanced greenhouse effect – at least in the short term."

http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/11/23/what-bob-carter-and-andrew-bolt-fail-to-grasp/

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/garbage-is-forever/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 10/25/2009
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There is a giant difference between saying that CO2 has an effect on the climate of the earth, and saying that CO2 is the dominent influence on climate change for the earth, and the human race is facing a catastrophe.

Most of your so called "deniers" recognize that CO2 exists and that it may have a very slight influence on climate. That is not the real issue.

The real issue is whether the human race, by adding 5% more CO2 to the existing natural CO2 in the atmosphere, which itself is less than 1% of the atmosphere, is somehow causing an extraordinary climate crisis.

For the last ten years, the earth has been answering, "No."

We can certainly agree that there is CO2 and that it has "some" influence on the climate.
From then on, we likely disagree.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 10/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 147 fans permalink

R2 says: "We can certainly agree that there is CO2 and that it has "some" influence on the climate."

Who is "we"? It does not matter what we think! You are not a scientist and neither am I. The consensus among scientists remains.

The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations"

Therefore, most of the warming is caused by co2 and greenhouse gas emissions.

"IPCC is not alone in its conclusions. In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements."

"Others agree. The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling "

In fact, in a major study published in Science Magazine 928 papers on climate change were studied and not a single paper disagreed with the consensus. It is overwhelming!

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

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