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2020 Census: Gays Could Be Included In Count

LISA LEFF   10/23/09 01:22 AM ET   AP

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SAN FRANCISCO — The U.S. Census Bureau is making an unprecedented effort to include same-sex couples in next year's national population count, but legally married gay couples won't show up as such in the official once-a-decade tally, bureau representatives said Thursday.

Statistical problems related to the development of the 2010 census form and the evolving legal state of same-sex relationships led Census officials to conclude that trying to include married gay couples in the overall snapshot of household marital status could yield an inaccurate number, said Gary Gates, a University of California, Los Angeles demographer who has been advising the bureau on gay issues.

Instead, same-sex married couples will be added into the category for unmarried partners, just as they were for the 2000 census. But in a marked policy departure, the agency plans to make the data on same-sex couples who described themselves as married available on a state-by-state basis.

"The Bureau has decided to give us the information, but be a little cautious," Gates said.

The decision to develop separate sets of numbers was a compromise position that was "less about politics and more about accurate data," he said.

Gates stressed that it was important for gay couples to participate in the census, noting that information drawn from the last one had been used in lawsuits dealing with same-sex marriage and to lobby congressional representatives who may wrongly assume they do not have many gay constituents.

Because same-sex marriages were not legal in any U.S. state a decade ago, the 2010 census is the first for which the bureau has wrestled with how to count married same-sex couples. In June, census officials announced that they would make the attempt, reversing an earlier decision made under the Bush administration.

Since then, however, it's become clearer that a wildly inflated number could be produced if the number of heads of household who said they lived with another adult of the same sex, and described that person as a husband or wife, were only counted.

Some couples in civil unions or domestic partnerships, or who live as spouses in states where gay couples have no spousal rights, have tended in past surveys to identify themselves as husbands or wives anyway, according to Gates.

The annual American Community Survey the bureau produced for 2008, for example, had 150,000 married same-sex couples spread across every U.S. state, even though only two states – Massachusetts and for a 5-month period, California – allowed same-sex marriages. Gates estimates there are probably no more than 35,000 legally married gay couples in the country now.

Undercounting same-sex couples also remains a significant concern, Gates said, since some couples may not be living openly and fear discrimination.

Tim Olsen, assistant chief of the bureau's field division, told gay community leaders at a census outreach meeting in San Francisco Thursday that the agency is continuing to refine the way it counts same-sex couples and could have the ability to separate married from unmarried couples in time for future surveys.

"We have a big opportunity to create a picture of America that includes us. We are not invisible anymore," Olsen said.

This census marks the first time that gays and lesbians have been targeted for minority outreach efforts that also include reaching out to groups deemed "hard to reach" because of their disaffection with the government.

The gay community campaign will include a Web site, scheduled to go up in about two weeks, called Our Families Count, as well as advertising campaigns in cities with large gay populations. Among the video vignettes meant to demonstrate the nation's diversity on the main census site is one featuring a transgender person, Olsen said.

"You will see yourself in these videos, whether you are Hispanic, black, white, mixed-race, gay or straight," he said.

Although the census has not attempted to count individuals who identify as gay, lesbian or transgender, they could be included in the next count or even future editions of the annual American Community Survey, Olsen said. The survey, which is much more detailed than the 10-question census form that will be mailed to every household in March, is designed to give state and local governments a snapshot of how their populations are changing.

Olsen said gay leaders need to keep advocating if they want to be recognized.

"In terms of 2010, we are set in stone. For 2020, now is the time to start doing what you do best," he said.

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GayGrandpa
12:00 PM on 10/26/2009
I'll be 68 in 2020 and finally someone will count me, but could you give me my rights now...I really don't want to wait a dozen more years - not getting any younger here! NOW.
10:23 AM on 10/26/2009
It figures that one of the usual suspects would try to spin this as something dastardly being done by Big Bad Gummint.
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09:04 AM on 10/26/2009
Is Michelle Bachman's head spinning?
10:17 AM on 10/26/2009
Does it ever stop? :-)
05:33 AM on 10/26/2009
Why must an article on Gays in the census be accompanied by a photo of gays making out? can't you find one if them baking, or just holding hands like other regular couples? why does a progressive news site resort to such lazy stereotypes?
09:48 AM on 10/26/2009
What an excellent point RHCNYC!
12:32 AM on 10/26/2009
The government now wants to know everyone's sexual preferences?

Talk about letting big government into your bedroom.
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rextrek
50yr old, Moderate-liberal in S.NJ/Phila
11:01 PM on 10/25/2009
WOW- Just think, Tax paying law abiding citizens have to wait til 2020 to be Included in the United Sates census???
07:55 PM on 10/25/2009
Oh Yay! We only have to wait for more than a decade! Yay!
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Peter007
12:54 PM on 10/25/2009
Senator Menezdez of NJ was on NPR yesterday complaining about a republicans proposal to ask a particular question in the census. He was opposed to the questions on the grounds that it was unconstitutional. He stated that the constitution only allows a head count and nothing more. Is he right ?
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Joel Redman
Proud liberal
03:26 PM on 10/25/2009
"[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." -- It is not required that the census include more than a head count, nor is it prohibited.
11:26 AM on 10/25/2009
So we might be counted as human beings by 2020? Thanks for noticing.
10:04 AM on 10/25/2009
Be careful what you wish for.

I am not at all clear what you will get from this. Certainly not even a small indication of the number of people who have sex, at least at times, with people of the same gender.

What you might get is some percentage of same sex couples who care to identify to the govt as a same sex couple.

And this will be a tiny fraction of the men or women who all the time or at times have sex ( no matter how you define sex) with someone of the same gender.

Its going to be a tiny number. But it should be a number.
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10:36 AM on 10/25/2009
You're free to "gay away" on the census form. It doesn't identify the person that filled it out, only what area they live in.
12:28 PM on 10/25/2009
What you say is true. But it does not negate anything I have said.

Its still going to be a tiny number.

Having spent years interviewing 1000's about their sex life I am convinced that the number of people who have sex, at least at times, with members of the same sex is a fraction of those who self-identify as being gay. Or consider themselves gay.

What ever number that comes up is only going to be a sliver of a much larger picture.
05:05 AM on 10/25/2009
I am not sure that this would be a wise move for the gays. America would learn just how few they are and begin to wonder about their disproportionate affects on politics.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
05:22 AM on 10/25/2009
You mean the public might wonder why catholics, morons and bigots spend millions of dollars and countless hours on so few people who just want equality?

What's your deal?
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hackerblaster
I did not mean that to be a factual statement.
12:37 PM on 10/25/2009
Damn good comeback!
03:59 PM on 10/25/2009
Yes, that too.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
05:24 AM on 10/25/2009
You mean the public might wonder why catholics, mormons and like-minded people spend millions of dollars and countless hours on so few people who just want equality?

What's your deal?

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/2020-cenusus-gays-could-b_n_331379.html
04:00 AM on 10/25/2009
2020 Census? Get real, we won't have the United States of America by 2020, we will have 50 Sovereign states after the US breaks up over it's inability to pay back it's debts. This is just propaganda, trying to convince stupid Americans that the Empire will still be around in 10 years.
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11:14 AM on 10/25/2009
Then, after it has seceded, will your red state's educational system finally teach you the difference between a contraction and a possessive?
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
03:37 AM on 10/25/2009
People are confused by the right wing's objections to the census. Its easy enough to see. The American hard right is like the Iraqi Sunni minority. They imagine themselves the *rightful rulers* of the land. An accurate head count would only serve to highlight how much of a minority they really are. So they need to stop or discredit the vote count in order to keep up the pretense of their own self-importance.
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11:15 AM on 10/25/2009
The census doesn't include political affiliation.
11:08 PM on 10/24/2009
Why the misleqading headline...gays have always been included in the census..only not many knew it.
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Imhotep40
He who comes in peace
03:46 AM on 10/25/2009
Yeah, but never labeled as "head of Household" with same sex "Spouse"!?!? Now the Genealogy software needs to make the same changes . . . . .
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Hopalongpoppyseed
May you reap what you sow.
11:07 PM on 10/24/2009
Have you noticed that articles about Gays are often accompanied by pictures of two men or two women kissing? I guess that is the totality of being gay.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
05:23 AM on 10/25/2009
Would you rather we wore upside down pink triangles in order for you to better identify us?
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Hopalongpoppyseed
May you reap what you sow.
10:38 AM on 10/25/2009
You misunderstand me, so perhaps that is the fault of my writing. My comment was meant as a bit of irony; a dig at media presentations of gays or other minorities. It is as if every discussion of Blacks was accompanied by a photograph of somebody eating watermelon or every photograph of a Hispanic included some equally vapid visual cliche. My sense of the photograph of two men kissing was that it presents gays in one way and misses so much of the full humanity and dignity of gays as part of the human family.
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NeoLiberal
08:58 AM on 10/25/2009
Kissing is a universal human behavior that demonstrates love and affection.

I see no problem with those images. They illustrate the point of equal rights very simply:

All humans in our country deserve the same rights afforded to all others.

Period.
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Hopalongpoppyseed
May you reap what you sow.
10:41 AM on 10/25/2009
I agree. Please see my reply to AnotherTry immediately above.