Reid Is Only One Or Two Votes Shy On Opt-Out Public Option

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First Posted: 10-23-09 12:37 PM   |   Updated: 10-23-09 04:25 PM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is just one or two Senate votes shy of having a filibuster-proof majority in favor of a public option for health insurance coverage with a provision allowing states to opt-out, multiple sources tell the Huffington Post.

The Nevada Democrat, according to Hill sources, is furiously working the phones today to ensure that 60 Senators (including him) will back the provision. The work will continue through the weekend and comes despite the president's indication in a meeting Thursday evening at the White House that he prefers a public option that would be triggered in by certain conditions over the "opt-out" alternative.

Advocates of the public option consider the trigger an industry attempt to kill the public option because it likely would never be triggered. Obama's support of the insurance industry position saps momentum from the public-option drive.

Reid doesn't intend to drag the decision out. Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) told HuffPost that when he asked the leader on Wednesday if he could send Reid a letter reiterating his support for a strong public option, Reid told him to hurry.

"He said, 'Yeah, but do it today.' And that's a hint of the pressure he's under and the pace he wants to keep," said Rockefeller.

Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), the lone congressional Republican to hint that she would support health care reform, favors the trigger proposal and has said she would oppose the opt-out version. At the White House, Democratic sources say, Reid told Obama he intended to pursue the national public option with an opt-out provision and was busily gathering the necessary votes. Obama reacted coolly.

"He certainly didn't embrace it and he seemed to indicate a preference for continuing to work on a strategy that involved Senator Snowe and a trigger," said a senior Democratic source who was briefed on the meeting. A second aide whose boss was in the room confirmed the general nature of the exchange.

But administration officials claimed on Friday that the president "did not express a preference" between the trigger or opt-out proposals during the meeting with Senators.

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"The president thinks that the public option is the best way to achieve choice and competition and bring down health care costs for the American people," spokesman Bill Burton added on Friday. "And he will continue to ensure that it is achieved in the final health care reform legislation."

Reid is likely to push ahead for the public option despite Obama's inclination toward a trigger. Aides on the Hill and strategists outside of Congress say that Reid sees an opening for getting a public option with a state-exempt clause past a Republican filibuster. The proposal is far more popular than the trigger within the Democratic caucus, these sources stressed. And it would be met with approval among the progressive community, which believes that triggers would result in a public option never coming into existence.

"If we can get an opt-out in federal program with no trigger -- that is not everything we wanted but it is a huge victory and good policy," emailed one high-ranking strategist. "The trigger is really a deal-killer."

Going down this route, however, will still require the recruitment of at least one conservative Democratic hold-out and maybe two. The identity of the hold-out(s) is not known. Nor were names shared by sources. But it's not difficult to compile a list of suspects; namely the group of Democrats who have already expressed skepticism about a public plan.

Already, the lobbying campaign around the opt-out public option is intensifying. Overheard at the America's Health Insurance Plans state conference rally on Friday was a company official discussing the need to work with Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) on her position on a government-run plan. "I've put a call into her office," the official said. "We need to chat with her."

Tensions are at a fever pitch, both within the Capitol and among the Democratic base. "Debbie Stabenow, as I am, is a huge advocate of the public option," Rockefeller said, referring to the Michigan Democrat. "She changed what she called it to something like 'consumer's choice,' or something like that, and [got] these thousands of emails and letters and telephone calls condemning her as a traitor to the cause. So you've got to be very careful with all of this."


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- AwakeNow I'm a Fan of AwakeNow 15 fans permalink

So much of what I see going on just reaffirms the notion that many within both parties are simply "Two wings on the same bird." They do all they can to further the corporate agenda. Our jobs market is disappearing, the gdp is declining, the economy is on the brink, healthcare for some, wars fought to improve the lives abroad while a large portion of our own citizens are hurting, regulations for childrens toys yet no tough regulations for the bankers and money changers. What's wrong with this picture? Let me count the ways! We need to stop the auctioning off of our country to the highest bidder. It isn't shown on the mainstream media, however the people are coming together and holding gatherings to practice strength in numbers. Find a group and make our voices visible.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 10/26/2009
- yankee222 I'm a Fan of yankee222 8 fans permalink

NO OPT OUT !!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 10/26/2009
- factotem I'm a Fan of factotem 124 fans permalink
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Yeah, we know.
Not news.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 10/26/2009
- niws I'm a Fan of niws 2 fans permalink

Screw all this, I say if there isn't 58 dem/10 republican votes for opt out then reconciliate single payer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 10/26/2009
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Everyone call Olympia Snowe's (R-MA) office 1.202.22.5344. TODAY and everyday until the vote. Tell her to vote for American's PUBLIC Option. A state opt out is a win-win proposal. Just like the opt out of the stimulus money let the state opt out if it wishes. And just like the stimulus opt out the state soon demanded to be included and receive their due money! It will be the same with Americans Public Option.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 10/25/2009
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Yes. To all "representatives" concocting this 'reform' that effects our lives.

Public Option.

And since the wimp out opt out is what's on the table....

Opt out or be voted out. That is the voter's campaign promise.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 10/26/2009

What about the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945? Why isn't the federal anti-trust exemption of health Insurance Companies news? How can there be reform with a legal monopoly or cartel type system guaranteed by federal law for 60 years and counting? Maybe I'm missing something here...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 10/25/2009
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...agree.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 10/26/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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How come, right after the denial by the White House that the President prefers the "trigger", we read the sentence: "Reid is likely to push ahead for the public option despite Obama's inclination toward a trigger."? Is this lousy reporting, lousy writing, or just stubborn insistence on the verity of the source who said otherwise? Whatever the explanation, it calls the credibility of Sam Stein and Ryan Grim into sharp question in my mind. I will not be able to trust what they say in the future. It looks to me as if they are using this story to push their own agenda.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 10/24/2009

I am so disappointed in the president and congress that I could just set down and cry. The only reason that I voted all democrat was for health care reform WITH a public option.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 10/25/2009
- johnsonc20 I'm a Fan of johnsonc20 32 fans permalink
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Have you been ignoring the White House's public ambiguity on this question for the last few months? They have been talking out of both sides of their mouths. The President himself said that the public option was not a critical component of health care reform. Get out of your Pollyanna world and call the White House. Demand a clear statement from the President of the United States demanding a robust public option. We have NEVER had that. We HAVE had Rahm Emanuel and Kathleen Sibelius and the President telling the press that the public option would be nice, but it isn't necessary - and privately lobbying to win over Olympia Snowe with the sell out "trigger" proposal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 10/25/2009
- windup I'm a Fan of windup 20 fans permalink

I have been trying for MONTHS to call the White House. Line ALWAYS busy. Is that possible? I mean without taking the receiver off the hook?
I honestly think they don't WANT to hear what the public thinks about this, because they already know and are doing their best to ignore it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 10/25/2009
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Call Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid at 202-224-3542 and tell him to include a public option and public option plus in the merged Senate bill.

Get as many signatures on Governor Dean's http://americacantwait.com/ as possible.

And of course, you should contact your public option supportive Senators and tell them thank you and insist they stand strong.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 10/24/2009
- Larryjk I'm a Fan of Larryjk 3 fans permalink
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 10/24/2009

Thank you Alte for the info. Petition signed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 10/25/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

He's not one or two votes shy, if he changes the rules back to the way they were.

All that would be needed is a simple majority - 51 votes.

Stop with the drama, Reid, and put on your leader 'cap'.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 10/24/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 79 fans permalink


Reid's an effing Republican: He insists we have a super-majority to pass bills that only require a majority. This is in.sane. And, I'm tired of it. He has to go. We must work to ensure he is replaced in the NV Primary since the odds are essentially zero that he can be replaced as majority leader in any other way.
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 10/24/2009

I am not sure that a Primary challenger could beat him.

In reality, if he loses the General electon it will be a NET gain for Democrats - A Democratic Senate Majority of 55 without Reid as Leader would be much more effective than a Democratic Senate of 60 with Reid still holding the Leader position.

I plan to support 0 monetarily - his REPUBLICAN challenger next year should he fail to get the Public Option through the Senate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 10/24/2009
- VegasWolf I'm a Fan of VegasWolf 18 fans permalink
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If Reid is successful in getting the public option passed he will be getting my vote and my money.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 10/24/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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I hear you. This is his last chance to pull it out. He can't win the general election in NV without the support of progressives, and that hinges on the public option. He had better perform now, or his career will be over.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 10/24/2009
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You have to appreciate the brilliance of leting states opt-out of the public option. Let the 'tarded states (yes you, Arizona!) opt out, then watch as their residents leave in droves.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 10/24/2009

I agree. Let's see how long a conservative, uncaring Governor survives by taking health care away from a large number of his/her voters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 10/24/2009

The BIG question is "who is going to leave?"

This will likely dramatically raise the per capita income of the state and reduce the underclass that the state supports in various ways dramatically.

Arizona "State of the Entrepreneurs and Self Sufficient residents".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 10/24/2009
- windup I'm a Fan of windup 20 fans permalink

No, it will keep the blood-suckers who make their profits off the sweat and labor of underpaid others. The workers will leave.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 10/25/2009
- provgrays I'm a Fan of provgrays 29 fans permalink

Health reform with a solid public option will solidfy power for the Democrats. Blowing it means that the Radical Right will finish off this country for good.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 10/24/2009

The public option, if it doesn't come through in the health care reform bill, in my opinion will give the far right, our country to rule as they see fit. We all know how important our voices are to them. We will loose our great nation to a group,with their big business monster friends , that almost bankrupted the country. We have followed their way and paid the price. If we listen to their insane screams and allow them back into power, we deserve everything that we get. Our spineless democrat senators, representatives and unfortunat­ely,presid­ent, have caved in again. Who needs enemies like faux,limbie,and beckie when we have cowards in our own party?
None of which follow the majority of Americans voices.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 10/24/2009

"Trigger" is a dead horse.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 10/24/2009
- johnsonc20 I'm a Fan of johnsonc20 32 fans permalink
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Fanned. This proposal should be stuffed and put in a museum along with Roy's favorite horse.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 10/25/2009
- JackNasty I'm a Fan of JackNasty 66 fans permalink
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The problem is Harry Reid is one or two vertebral shy of a spine.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 10/24/2009
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THIS is why Harry will not get the votes. Thank GOD for the Blue dogs!

Polls illustrate why both the leaders and the skeptics think their positions are strong. A Pew Research Center survey conducted Sept. 30 to Oct. 4 found 55 percent of respondents preferred a government-run plan.

But the poll also found 47 percent opposed to health care proposals being discussed in Congress, compared to 34 percent supporting them.

People like the concept of a public option but are more tentative about details of a comprehensive package -- especially one they don't yet know, said Carroll Doherty, the poll's associate director.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/24/2009
- johnsonc20 I'm a Fan of johnsonc20 32 fans permalink
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That must mean the White House is an environment completely devoid of vertebrates.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 10/25/2009

You liberals make me laugh. If you can tell me of a government program that has never exceeded it's originally projected government budget then I will be surprised. The fact is that government cuts the budgets on working programs and expands the budget on failing programs. The incentives of government officials and bureacrats are just set up that way.

The health insurance industry is a product of governments healthcare intervention in the '70s when they created the HMO system. More govt. intervention to fix more govt. induced problems. The downward spiral is already in motion.

Check out this newsweek article:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/10/23/bending-the-curve-the-wrong-way.aspx

Universal healthcare proposal set to increase budget deficit over the next ten years even MORE than projected.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 10/24/2009
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

What's YOUR Solution to the Health Care Crises?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 10/24/2009
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What "Crisis" The crisis is 10% unemployment and a 14 TRILLION deficit. Let's fix THAT.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 10/24/2009
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Sure enough, Danceswithtrees doesn't even see the crisis. Why do we even bother talking about solutions with people who don't recognize there's a problem? I have health insurance, but I recognize that other people not having it is a problem for everyone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 10/24/2009

Fifty-one percent of the federal budget is spent on war and given to war contractors. How much of that are you willing to limit?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 10/24/2009

Hahaha thats great. Answer my questions with more questions. Typical liberal responses. Lets try this again:

-tell me of a government program that has never exceeded it's originally projected government budget...?

-The health insurance industry is a product of governments healthcare intervention in the '70s when they created the HMO system. More govt. intervention to fix more govt. induced problems. Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 10/24/2009
- JackNasty I'm a Fan of JackNasty 66 fans permalink
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The only health care system in the industrialized world that has failed is the for-profit system in the US. Escalating health care costs and profits are destroying US businesses.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 10/24/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 79 fans permalink


"The fact is that government cuts the budgets on working programs and expands the budget on failing programs. The incentives of government officials and bureacrats are just set up that way."

Malarkey

Name / identify these incentives, please.
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 10/24/2009


Fair Enough. I just want an answer to this...Ill get back to your other questions when I get home...

The health insurance industry is a product of governments healthcare intervention in the '70s when they created the HMO system. More govt. intervention to fix more govt. induced problems.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 10/24/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 79 fans permalink


You forgot to answer our (my) questions, but I'm still waiting.

BTW, The HMO System was intentionally designed by the health care industry to do two things: Delay reform and make them even richer off our backs.
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 10/27/2009
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