Strict Oklahoma Abortion Laws Spark Court Battles

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SEAN MURPHY | 10/23/09 11:56 PM | AP

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OKLAHOMA CITY — Two new laws being challenged in the Oklahoma courts would give the state some of the strictest abortion laws in the country by forcing women to answer questions about race and their relationships, and to listen to a doctor talk them through an ultrasound.

Legal challenges to the laws are in their early stages, but observers say the trajectory of cases could mirror that of the partial-birth abortion debate, which went through Nebraska courts and was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court before Congress made it a federal law that was upheld in 2007.

"That's an apt comparison," said Joseph Thai, a professor at the University of Oklahoma who specializes in constitutional law and the Supreme Court. "So, expect these Oklahoma laws and the ensuing court decisions to be the first rather than last word on how far a state may go with respect to compulsory procedures and reporting requirements."

Opponents of the laws say they were drafted to make a woman's already difficult decision to have an abortion even more difficult.

"Nobody undertakes this kind of decision lightly to begin with," said Anita Fream, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Central Oklahoma. "To turn around and, once you've made this decision, find out the legislators have imposed these additional restrictions, it's really quite problematic. It often makes a difficult decision even more painful."

One law would require women to fill out a lengthy survey that asks, among other things, about their race, education and reason for seeking an abortion. It asks women whether they're having relationship problems, whether they can't afford to raise a child or whether having a baby would dramatically change their lives.

Another section requires doctors to provide detailed information about complications that arise as a result of the procedure. The Health Department ultimately would compile the information into a statistical report and post it on its Web site.

"It is particularly Draconian, abusive, intimidating," said former Democratic state Rep. Wanda Jo Stapleton, a plaintiff in the lawsuit challenging the reporting requirements. "Those are totally intimidating, totally personal questions, and it's nobody's business."

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But supporters say the surveys will prove valuable to understanding why women seek abortions, and that women need to be provided with as much knowledge as possible before making an irrevocable decision.

"Do they feel they have no other choice? Is it financial? What are the reasons that lead up to that very desperate choice of a woman?" said Republican state Rep. Pam Peterson, who played a key role in drafting both laws.

Republican state Rep. Dan Sullivan, who helped draft the questionnaire bill, said lawmakers are simply seeking as much information as possible to help them find ways to reduce the number of abortions in Oklahoma.

"These are tragic situations for people, and we're not trying to compound anyone's emotional state," said Sullivan, of Tulsa.

He said the identities of the women who filled out the questionnaires would be kept private, because the forms don't ask for personally identifiable information and the Health Department has been directed to ensure personal information doesn't make it onto the Web site.

Opponents of the laws, including the New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights, have sued to stop them from taking effect, arguing that both were rolled into larger bills, violating a state constitutional provision requiring bills pertain to a single subject. A district court judge issued a temporary order this week preventing the questionnaire law from taking effect.

Another district court judge overturned the other law, which would require women seeking abortions to undergo an ultrasound and to have a doctor talk them through what they're seeing. The law would require a doctor to use a vaginal transducer in the earliest stages of pregnancy, since that provides the clearest image when the fetus is small. The method is more invasive than the abdominal ultrasounds most pregnant women undergo.

The state has appealed that decision to the Oklahoma Supreme Court. In the meantime, lawmakers who backed the abortion laws have said they'd likely resubmit them as separate measures during the next legislative session.

While most states have abortion reporting requirements, Oklahoma's laws in both areas are the most far-reaching in the nation, said Elizabeth Nash, a public policy analyst with the New York-based Guttmacher Institute, an abortion rights group focused on sexual and reproductive health research.

Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi require ultrasounds in all abortion cases, and Arizona and Florida require them after the first trimester. But no other states require doctors to describe the image to women and mandate that a vaginal ultrasound be used in certain cases, Nash said.

Tony Lauinger, chairman of the anti-abortion group Oklahomans for Life, said the ultrasound law helps ensure women are fully aware of how developed the fetus is.

According to the state Department of Health, the number of annual abortions performed in Oklahoma has stayed relatively steady in recent years, with 6,322 in 2005, 6,595 in 2006 and 6,319 in 2007, the most recent year for which data was available.

OKLAHOMA CITY — Two new laws being challenged in the Oklahoma courts would give the state some of the strictest abortion laws in the country by forcing women to answer questions about race and t...
OKLAHOMA CITY — Two new laws being challenged in the Oklahoma courts would give the state some of the strictest abortion laws in the country by forcing women to answer questions about race and t...
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- OKSunny I'm a Fan of OKSunny 13 fans permalink

I would like to know where the information about the MAN who got the women pregnant is? Women in Oklahoma DO NOT get pregnant by themselves.

I am a single mother (in OK) who struggles financially and emotionally trying to raise my 7yr old son BY MYSELF while attending graduate school. His father takes him once a week (on the weekend) and pays me $100 a month, he makes >45K a year.

Tougher child support laws are what is needed to help curb abortions. Not that I have time to even have sex, but if I did get pregnant I would have an abortion in a heartbeat because I cannot (physically, emotionally, or financially) raise another child.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/03/2009
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Where is the survey asking "WHY?" young women want breast implants before they are 21 yrs old? Where are the surveys asking "WHY?" young women are getting liposuction, nose jobs, ear jobs, and other plastic surgeries to "enhance" their lives and self-esteem?
Where are the surveys asking WHY about those things?

Is it because it's OK as long as it's to enhance one's outward "beauty" -- which ultimately benefits men? Is it because those areas of the body a woman is allowed to control, but her own reproductive organs she is not allowed to control? What a screwed up world Fundies want for us all....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 10/25/2009
- celere I'm a Fan of celere 74 fans permalink
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The hostility toward women in these "laws" is inescapable.

By law, doctors must inform patients of the risks of any surgical procedure. This law, however, goes beyond that. It presumes that there is something wrong with the woman's decision to terminate her pregnancy. Having the doctor talk with the aid of a sonogram suggests emotional manipulation, an attempt to induce guilt and shame in the woman. This could have long-term psychological repercussions and is a subtle form of psychological assault, imo.

The detailed questions are also a form of harassment with the implicit threat of exposure, since they will be published, which suggests the possibility of blackmail.

These are cruel laws. It is hard to believe that the lawmakers who drafted and passed them have any compassion -- or even respect -- for their female constituents.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/24/2009
- Tiger99 I'm a Fan of Tiger99 18 fans permalink
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Now if we could just get all the other states who require women to watch video's, read material, look at ultrasounds, have Dr's explain about the pain the baby feels while it is exterminated, require Dr's to report similar data (race,age,residence, why she wants abortion) to remove their Laws/Requirements and stop publishing the Data on their respective State Health Dept. web sites then perhaps we in Oklahoma will stand a chance of having this one overturned and at the very least altered...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/24/2009
- celere I'm a Fan of celere 74 fans permalink
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Many falsehoods in that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 10/24/2009
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A doctor turning in an end-of-year accounting as to the total number of patients who were minorities, their age, their health status, and/or specific diseases or conditions treated is important information to keep a record and an eye on health issues that affect the population at large...

However, an INDIVIDUAL patient being made to fill out an intimately PERSONAL QUESTIONNAIRE, before getting or at the time of medical service is absolutely intrusive
and an invasion of privacy. There is a BIG difference.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 10/25/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 134 fans permalink
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the country was founded on religious freedom the Christians do not want freedom of religion they want laws that dictate their religions beliefs on us all.......being Cherokee that will no happen to me and I will fight them to ensure the freedom of our country is upheld...... End the religious rights effort to dictate how we all live...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/24/2009
- hapkidogal I'm a Fan of hapkidogal 9 fans permalink
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Agreed!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/24/2009

News flash: Oklahoma state legislature discovered in woman's womb. Film at eleven.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 10/24/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 134 fans permalink
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When will people see the truth. We are kept divided by the powers to be for one reason, United we win divided they win they do not want us to win.... We are side tracked by so many non issues. The rights of a person in this country are in trouble. When one faction can pass laws to put another segment in jail because they do not follow or believe as they do....Why cannot we accept the different factions and just enjoy our freedom to believe and practice our own beliefs? Why do they insist everyone follow their rules on certain areas? To me abortion is a personal choice a person should be allowed to make it based on their beliefs not dictated to by one segment.......

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 10/24/2009
- iridium53 I'm a Fan of iridium53 59 fans permalink

Perhaps these laws will trigger women to leave the state?

Wouldn't women who do not agree with these laws be better served to move out of the state?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/24/2009
- OKSunny I'm a Fan of OKSunny 13 fans permalink

I am a woman in Oklahoma..also a single mother. His father does VERY little to help. I will be graduating with a Masters in the Spring of 2010---I am already planning to move to WA, partly because of the way of thinking of these people in this backwards state!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 11/03/2009
- annie g I'm a Fan of annie g 34 fans permalink

"seeking as much information as possible to help them find ways to reduce the number of abortions in Oklahoma."
What a bunch of crap. They need a person's race and information about relationships? What in the world does that have to do with "reducing the number of abortions"?
Why don't these men (idiots) that are making these laws also ask for the name of the man who got them pregnant, the man's race, his relationships, how many women he got pregnant and what his responsibility is?
And then sit them BOTH down and see how the man feels about the ultrasound. This is ludicrous.
I do not trust nor believe any Conservative that says he wants "to help". women, regardless of what situation they may be in.
Whether or not one agrees with abortion, it is a medical procedure which should have the privacy as all other medical files do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 10/24/2009
- Tiger99 I'm a Fan of Tiger99 18 fans permalink
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Actually most states collect the race and relationship information you seem to be so upset about concerning abortion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 10/24/2009
- OKSunny I'm a Fan of OKSunny 13 fans permalink

Do they post them online? I would like to see that stats on men who take Viagra, and their marital status, and their race and educational level and why they have to take it?

The answer to these questions should be collected voluntarily and published in a scientific journal. Not posted online where the information can be hacked into. This is a scare tactic and that is ALL it is. What is next? Our weight and dress size, our number of sexual partners, what drugs we take, our menstrual cycles?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 11/03/2009

I'm 100%, utterly, totally and completely Pro-Choice.

But I also don't see the problem with most of what they're proposing doing. I think a doctor SHOULD tell these women what the potential complications are. And while I don't think it should be mandatory to actually ANSWER these questions, I think they should read a questionairre that at least asks why it is they're contemplating having the abortion in the first place. What's wrong with having someone stop, take a breath, and look at a situation deeper?

Questions like race and relationship status are completely unnecessary.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 10/24/2009
- LastStar I'm a Fan of LastStar 12 fans permalink
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Planned Parenthood offers excellent counseling services. You never know when you might be talking to whacko jesus freak for a doctor.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/24/2009
- ragtag I'm a Fan of ragtag 9 fans permalink

"Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi require ultrasounds in all abortion cases, and Arizona and Florida require them after the first trimester."

Who pays for this mandated medical procedure?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 10/24/2009

My guess whoever pays for the whole shebang. What, you think these procedures are funded by the state?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 10/24/2009
- BeauRadley I'm a Fan of BeauRadley 18 fans permalink

Um, Oklahoma you need to consider that these 2 laws are: 1) an invasion of privacy, and 2) a disregarding of patient /doctor confidentiality. I seriously doubt these "antediluvian laws" will get past the lower courts. Bizarre doesn't even begin to explain this L.u.n.acy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/24/2009
- Cambridge9 I'm a Fan of Cambridge9 94 fans permalink
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How about another law that says that in the case of rape or incest (where the father can be identified) he is required to fill out similar "personal information' forms before undergoing a little 'snip-snip'. Or would that be an invasion of privacy??

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 10/24/2009
- Cambridge9 I'm a Fan of Cambridge9 94 fans permalink
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And who, may I ask, would be resonsible for the expense of these 'tests' and untrasounds?? Would the women, who are already under great trauma, be further victimized financially??

No man (be he a legislator, doctor or 'advisor') has any right to intrude on a woman's rights. It is her body - not public property.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 10/24/2009

If these folks are honestly interested in gaining information from a survey, why don't they pay to get an real survey taken by a survey company that will interview more than just those women who are in now for an abortion in a place and at a time when they can get some real information? Puh-lease, don't make me laugh at your excuses. "Just a survey," indeed. It's a survey and a doctor session to make them feel guilty for something they've already thought long about.

What's next? Requiring people seeking a prescription for something why they don't pray for healing instead? Why they didn't take better care of themselves before so they wouldn't come down with whatever?

I'd bet good money these "survey people" don't want sex ed in schools either. The goal should be to prevent unwanted pregnancies so we don't have to have abortions. Even then, there will be medical emergencies and situations that require abortions.

Keep abortion safe and legal. Make sure that every child of age has a thorough educational grounding in sex and access to ways to prevent pregnancy and STDs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 10/24/2009
- HRH I'm a Fan of HRH 8 fans permalink

Oklahoma, always on the wrong side of history.........and oh-so-proud of it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 10/24/2009

The current legislature certainly is.

Did you know that the people of this state still celebrate the theft of Indian land with enormous parades and week-end long festivals?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/24/2009
- Tiger99 I'm a Fan of Tiger99 18 fans permalink
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Did you know people of every State celebrates the theft of Indian Land with Family get togethers Parades, Concerts and BBQ's and Elaborate Firwork Displays ? Thanksgiving and July 4th comes to mind...

Try effecting change with postive vibrations sometime...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 10/24/2009
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