Biofuels For Commercial Flights By 2010

Yahoo! News:

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) said Friday it would approve biofuels for commercial flights by 2010 in a bid to drastically reduce the industry's carbon footprint.

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[ResidualSelfImage]

Canola 133 gallons per acre
Hemp diesel 1,000 gallons per acre
with hemp you still have the seeds to use as animal feed and the fiber leftover too.

[research]

true, but don't grow food for fuel!
Grow food, eat food, convert poop to biochar
Same for wood, paper, all organic WASTES.

[SaltySaltillo]

sweet sorghum for ethanol.

[BabblingBrooks]

Burning biofuel creates less carbon dioxide? I don't see how! First, you are still burning a hydrocarbon. Second, you have to burn fuel to grow the biofuel-producing agent!

This is just more left-wing envirowacko craziness.

Besides, it's becoming clearer that the entire carbon-based ecoform is a construct based on deliberately fundged tree-ring data and computer models that can't model for a year, let alone for hundreds of years.

It's all just another veiled Marxist attack on the economy.

[research]

BioChar is CARBON NEGATIVE.

Waste BioChar can supply all the fuels we need.

You grow food, you eat it. you flush it. you dry it, the BioChar it, and SOME of the carbon is released from the distilled gas, and later from the liquid biofuels when they are used.

But what's left is Charcoal.

Charcoal that you plot in the soil, to improve it!

read my comment with links below, or go to my profile.

Really. No kidding. Carbon negative.

[SaltySaltillo]

R U serious? Do you know what a biofuels are?

First a technical point - not all biofuels are hydrocarbons. Ethanol for example has an oxygen molecule.

Second, while it is true that combustion of biofuels produces, among other things, CO2, it produces far less CO2 than the combustion of fossil fuels. So much less that Boeing has funded research and concluded that by switching to aviation biofuels, they could cut CO2 emissions by between 60 and 80 percent.

Third, if the entire world seems crazy except for you... you may be the crazy one.

[leduck]

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) said Friday it would approve biofuels for commercial flights by 2010 in a bid to SAVE THE INDUSTRY FROM PEAK OIL!!!!!
PEAK OIL

[SaltySaltillo]

In effect, yes. The real reason the aviation industry has suddenly become "green" is because they are getting sick of the roller coaster ride of uncontrollable, unpredictable, ever-increasing jet fuel costs. The aviation industry would love to find some way of getting away from jet fuel. That is why the airlines themselves are pouring millions of dollars into the research of 3rd generation algae based biofuels.

[linaya]

How does that cut carbon? Biofuels are as dirty as burning jetfuel when you consider the whole lifecycle of the fuel.

This is a false solution. Biofuels do not help the climate change problem. People have to stop flying until they build electric jets or solar jets.

[leduck]

Electric jets???
do you know what a Jet Engine is???

[BabblingBrooks]

And I recall Joycelyn Elders wanted "saferrrrr bullets," too.

While you are at it, why not just build antigravity machines? That would solve the whole problem.

[SaltySaltillo]

Let's just not leave our homes...

[lbsaltzman]

The good part of biofuels is that the carbon is a closed cycle. Plants extract carbon from the atmosphere, it is converted into fuel and returned to the atmosphere. There is no net gain in carbon. The bad part of those biofuels that are created from plants grown on farmland, or on new open land from cutdown forests, means that land is lost to food production. Also converting the plant material to biofuel means no new humus is being created in the soil. Significantly increasing the amount of organic matter in soils is critic for a number of reasons, amongst those is that it actually sequesters carbon. But it also cuts down on chemical inputs and allows the soils to capture and hold far more rainwater.

[SaltySaltillo]

Actually you are wrong. Not all biofuels are made out of corn. Boeing has poured a lot of R&D into developing aviation biofuel, and the most promising appears to be algae-based biofuels.

[SFTor]

Aren't there still some mouths to feed around here? Do we really want to take productive farmland out of food production?

[indy oriented]

Shift of land into use for biomass energy crops can contribute to warming rather than stopping it.

"Large greenhouse gas emissions from these indirect land-use changes are unintended consequences of a global biofuels program; consequences that add to the climate-change problem rather than helping to solve it," says Melillo "As our analysis shows, these unintended consequences are largest when the clearing of forests is involved."

When forests get converted to energy crops all the wild critters that lived in them lose their home and their food sources. So biomass energy has the potential to heat up the planet and destroy habitats in the name of the environment.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006649.html

[research]

BioFuels from all our organic WASTES

can supply all the fuels the world needs, cleaner, safe, carbon negative and forever.

Add 3 cent rooftop solar and all the worlds energy needs are met forever.

See my profile for poof and links.

[linaya]

Biofuels are not carbon negative, where did you get that idea? Biofuels are polluting and release carbon and other toxins into the atmosphere.

[research]

BioChar is Carbon negative! See my profile for details.

BioChar of Wastes takes carbon that was captured in say wood or food,, and by pyrolysis, distills out the flammable gases and liquids, leaving charcoal, which is a great soil enhancer for depleted soils, doubling the yield, and capturing the carbon for 100's of years.

[leduck]

yeah right


show me the numbers

[research]

The total energy of the land can be reused all while reducing greenhouse gases.

We Use the Land for Food, Wood, grazing 100%.
THEN we BioChar the waste

This can provide all the fuels we will ever need.
In total, the upper limit of the bio-energy potential could be over 1000 EJ per year. This is considerably more than the current global energy use of 400 EJ.
http://www.uce-uu.nl/index.php?action=1&menuId=1&type=project&id=3&
Note this article assumes growing crops for food, That's NOT what I'm Talking about, but it has the world wide potential energy numbers. Since the crops for human use will not be optimized for energy, we will take the low values of crop energy and BioChar yields.
http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/company list of BioChar companies.
http://www.agri-therm.com/solution.html portable bio fuel oil BioChar units.
http://www.advbiorefineryinc.ca/news/ meat rending waste BioChar.
http://terrapretapot.org/

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/research

[fumes]

now this is a hoax!

the combustion of anything produces CO2..

[jsarets]

But plants fixate atmospheric CO2. So the life-cycle is carbon-neutral plus the emissions resulting from cultivation, processing, delivery, etc. Also, biofuels tend to burn cleaner than their fossil counterparts in most respects, even though hardware and additives for further controlling emissions are in their infancy compared to those developed for fossil fuels.

Although I don't believe this has been tried with aviation fuel, biodiesel can be prepared from waste cooking oil or from a variety of oil seed crops that have little to no need for petrochemical soil treatments, including industrial hemp.

Finally, I'd point out that the combustion of hydrogen does not produce CO2, although its suitability as a transportation fuel is somewhat questionable.

[fumes]

so you agree then that airplanes will continue to add CO2 to the atmosphere that would have otherwise not been added.. like i said.

i understand carbon neutral and h oxidation.­.

the reduction of CO2 additions into the atmosphere from any source is imperative to the agw argument.

[SaltySaltillo]

aviation biofuel will most likely be ethanol produced from algae, not biodeisel.

[Dredd]

Very good.

But lets not forget the coal fired power plants.