Clinton In Pakistan: Going To Obama From Bush "Like Daylight And Dark"

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ROBERT BURNS | 10/29/09 11:03 PM | AP

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ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton chided Pakistani officials Thursday for failing to press the hunt for al-Qaida inside their borders, suggesting they know where the terror leaders are hiding.

American officials have long said that al-Qaida mastermind Osama bin Laden and senior lieutenants of the network accused in the Sept. 11 attacks operate out of the rugged terrain along the border with Afghanistan.

But Clinton's unusually blunt comments went further in asserting that Pakistan's government has done too little about it.

"I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to," Clinton said in an interview with Pakistani journalists in Lahore. "Maybe that's the case. Maybe they're not gettable. I don't know."

There was no immediate reaction from Pakistani officials, but the thrust of Clinton's comments were startling, coming after months of lavish public comments from her and other American officials portraying Pakistan's leaders as finally receptive to the war against militants inside their own country.

As a political spouse, career public official and recently as a diplomat, Clinton has long showed a tendency toward bluntness, sometimes followed by a softening of her comments. But her remarks about Pakistan's lack of action against al-Qaida comes at a particularly sensitive moment – amid a major Pakistani offensive against militants and a deadly spate of insurgent violence.

Clinton on Friday was wrapping up her three-day visit to Pakistan with a series of interviews with Pakistani journalists – including a session with women journalists that was to be broadcast live – and talks with leaders of Parliament. Then she was to fly to the Persian Gulf city of Abu Dhabi for meetings with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, to be followed over the weekend by a meeting in Israel with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

With Pakistan reeling from Wednesday's devastating bombing that killed more than 100 people in Peshawar, Clinton also engaged in an intense give-and-take with students at the Government College of Lahore. She insisted that inaction by the government would have ceded ground to terrorists.

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"If you want to see your territory shrink, that's your choice," she said, adding that she believed it would be a bad choice.

Richard Holbrooke, the special U.S. representative on Afghanistan and Pakistan, told reporters that Clinton planned to meet late Thursday with the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, to get an update on the offensive that began Oct. 17 against Taliban forces in a portion of the tribal areas near the Afghan border.

"We want to encourage them," Holbrooke said of the Pakistanis. "She wants to get a firsthand account of the military situation."

During her exchange with the Pakistani journalists, one reporter asked Clinton why the fight against terrorism seemed to put Pakistan at the center and why other countries couldn't do more. Clinton noted that al-Qaida has launched attacks on Indonesia, the Philippines and many other countries over the years.

"So the world has an interest in seeing the capture and killing of the people who are the masterminds of this terrorist syndicate. As far as we know, they are in Pakistan."

On Clinton's flight to Islamabad after the interview with Pakistani journalists, U.S. Ambassador Anne Patterson said Clinton's remarks approximate what the Obama administration has told Pakistani officials in private.

"We often say, `Yes, there needs to be more focus on finding these leaders,'" Patterson said. "The other thing is, they lost control of much of this territory in recent years, and that's why they're in South Waziristan right now."

In Lahore, dozens of students rushed to line up for the microphone when the session with Clinton began. Their questions were not hostile, but showed a strong sense of doubt that the U.S. could be a reliable and trusted partner for Pakistan.

One woman asked whether the U.S. could be expected to commit long term in Afghanistan after abandoning the country after Russian occupiers retreated in 1989.

"What guarantee," the woman asked, "can Americans give Pakistan that we can now trust you – not you but, like, the Americans this time – of your sincerity and that you guys are not going to betray us like the Americans did in the past when they wanted to destabilize the Russians?"

Clinton responded that the question was a "fair criticism" and that the U.S. did not follow through in the way it should have. "It's difficult to go forward if we're always looking in the rearview mirror," said Clinton, on the second of a three-day visit, her first to Pakistan as secretary of state.

The Peshawar bombing in a market crowded with women and children appeared timed to overshadow her arrival. It was the deadliest attack in Pakistan since 2007.

She likened Pakistan's situation – with Taliban forces taking over substantial swaths of land in the Swat valley and in areas along the Afghan border – to a theoretical advance of terrorists into the United States from across the Canadian border.

It would be unthinkable, she said, for the U.S. government to decide, "Let them have Washington (state)" first, then Montana, then the sparsely populated Dakotas, because those states are far from the major centers of population and power on the East Coast.

Clinton was responding to a student who suggested that Washington was forcing Pakistan to use military force on its own territory.

During her hourlong appearance at the college, Clinton stressed that a key purpose of her trip was to reach out to ordinary Pakistanis and urge a better effort to bridge differences and improve mutual understanding.

But her tough comments about Pakistan's will to take on al-Qaida leaders might not sit well among Pakistanis who long have complained about American demands on their country.

Clinton has ruffled feathers before with blunt comments during international trips. On her first visit to Asia in February, she discussed the possibility of a succession crisis in North Korea and suggested the U.S. would not press China that hard on human rights.

On a later trip, she drew criticism from Israeli leaders for talking about a "defense umbrella" for Arab Gulf states to protect them from a potential nuclear threat from Iran.

Despite her comments during the town hall event in Lahore, Clinton declined to touch on the sensitive issue of missile attacks from U.S. drones against militants inside Pakistan.

The subject has stirred some of the strongest feelings of anti-Americanism in the country, but the U.S. routinely refuses to acknowledge publicly that the attacks are taking place.

"There is a war going on," Clinton said, adding only that the U.S. wants to help Pakistan be successful.

The United States has provided Pakistani commanders with video images and target information from its military drones as the army pushes its ground offensive in Waziristan, U.S. officials said this week.

The U.S. in recent months has rushed helicopters and other military equipment to the country as Islamabad began offensives.

"We've put military assistance to Pakistan on a wartime footing," Lt. Col. Mark Wright, a Pentagon spokesman, said Thursday.

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Associated Press writers Tim Sullivan in Islamabad, and Pauline Jelinek and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.

ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton chided Pakistani officials Thursday for failing to press the hunt for al-Qaida inside their borders, suggesting they know where the ter...
ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton chided Pakistani officials Thursday for failing to press the hunt for al-Qaida inside their borders, suggesting they know where the ter...
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- jgzeger I'm a Fan of jgzeger 10 fans permalink
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Hillary looked very presidential in her trip to Paksitan. It certainly would have been no mistake had she been elected president instead of Obama.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 10/31/2009

well said

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 10/31/2009

Hillary the Failure. Her entire career is about nothing but her own self-promotion.

A Pakistani got it right, the drone attacks are "executions without trial". That describes the entire Bush and now Obama foreign policy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 10/31/2009

Supporters, what has Hillary ever done for you?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 10/30/2009
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who is frank? and why is the secretary of state having him talk with the Pakistanis?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 10/30/2009

The Huffpo headline says Hillary Clinton described "Going To Obama From Bush "Like Daylight And Dark". I hope her personal testimony will be heard as sincere, given her own journey from supporter of Bush's needless war of choice in the region, to Obama's harshest critic on foreign policy, to Obama's Secretary of State. Will Pakistan understand American-style political opportunism, and accept her message, or will they hear Hillary as disingenuous with regard to their national interest and well being?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 10/30/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

good question . . . party-of-one . . suspect more of the latter

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 10/30/2009
- placpje I'm a Fan of placpje 7 fans permalink

She voted for the AUMF, not "Bush's needless war of choice in the region", unless of course, you're referring to her Senate votes after the Iraq War began, in which case her votes were identical to Obama's.

I doubt that most Pakistani's will read imaginary meanings into her words as you continually do, but I have no doubt they are more concerned about direct threats of invasion from Obama. http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=474

Oh wait, ...... THAT'S what you meant by "American-style political opportunism".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 10/30/2009

we know you try to split hairs, but Hillary either knew she was giving Bush the Constitutional authority to invade Iraq under the War Powers Act, or she did not. She was either responsible for the war, or irresponsible in not understand what her vote meant.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 10/30/2009

Yes, happy days are here again. When we went from Bush to Obama we went from:

Petreaus to Petreaus,
War in Afghanistan to War in Afghanistan
War in Iraq to War in Iraq
McCrystal to McCrystal
Robert Gates to Robert Gates
Borrowing trillions for lost wars to borrowing trillions for lost wars
Torturing detainees in Gitmo to torturing detainees in Gitmo

I am sure I forgot more Changes We Can Believe In, but, hey, there are so many.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 10/31/2009
- CintiBlue I'm a Fan of CintiBlue 46 fans permalink

SOS Clinton has represented me well. I'm not a long term fan, but she's won me over.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 10/29/2009
- gray375 I'm a Fan of gray375 73 fans permalink
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YOU GO GIRL!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 10/29/2009
- NCAV2 I'm a Fan of NCAV2 16 fans permalink

Tough talk. Why doesn't she grab an AK-47 and help them fight?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 10/29/2009
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Its easier to send them to die in their civil war.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 10/29/2009
- Truth Wins I'm a Fan of Truth Wins 42 fans permalink
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She is doing a good job. I now admire her.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 10/29/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 178 fans permalink

Me too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 10/29/2009

Me three.....­absolutely agree. She has the moxey to stand up and speak her mind! Gutsy woman to be admired.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 10/29/2009

why?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 10/30/2009
- janeycat I'm a Fan of janeycat 73 fans permalink
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Go Get Them Girl.....T­ell Them Like It Is.....its their home and they should be fighting for it ...if they want peace in their home land then fight for it...go get the De.mon Bin Laden...I know some of the people over there know where he is.....if he is still alive there is a 1 million dollar bounty on him....
Dang how far would that much money go over there....t­heir fo.ols not to turn him in......
no one would ever tell who turnrd him in ......our government would never telll.....­....
this has got me riled up again ..........­...... sorry guys......­i had to get that out.......

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 10/29/2009
- fya I'm a Fan of fya 19 fans permalink

Go Girl!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 10/29/2009
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 280 fans permalink
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Clinton did not play dumb like Bush's boys and act like the CIA support of Ossama never happened to destablize the USSR.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 10/29/2009
- henryberry I'm a Fan of henryberry 37 fans permalink
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It's refreshing to see a Secretary of State who does not always resort to canned answers to questions. Clinton injected a note of realism for the Pakistan leaders and the Pakistan public to chew on for awhile. However, she's involved in a dangerous game, a dangerous movement Obama is playing out.

Clinton's visit to Pakistan is seen in relationship to and coordination with Kerry's recent visit to Afghanistan. The presence and the remarks of both high-visibility, credible figures identified with Obama portend fundamental changes for the U.S. in the region.

Clinton's comparison of Bush to "dark" and Obama to "daylight" gets at the nature of the changes. The source for the escalating involvement in Afghanistan with Bush was a murky jingoism; what Clinton means by the comparison with "dark." Whereas the source for escalating involvement with Obama are rationalistic political principles concerning legitimacy and constitutionality (of the Afghanistan government particularly).

But because one (Obama) can make a rational argument or cite political reasons having to do with constitutionality for actions does not make such actions any more reasonable, practicable, or relevant than the same actions undertaken from impulsiveness (Bush). It looks to me that Obama is preparing a ground for a material change in U.S. involvement in the region (look at this as an intensification, not simply an escalation). The U.S. follies in the region are about to emerge from the dark into the daylight.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 10/29/2009
- dnifdoog I'm a Fan of dnifdoog 6 fans permalink
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...or, in this global information world, the US can no longer expect the world not to react when malfeasance is perpetrated. Therefore, the US must do what is right for the good of the global population, and not be seen as only acting in the interests of the west. The technology age will at least help hold the US's feet to the fire to do the right thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 10/29/2009
- henryberry I'm a Fan of henryberry 37 fans permalink
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Another theme of the movement in AfPAk along the lines of my comment and your reply: With Kerry and Clinton recently in the region and apparently confirmed by Clinton's remark ("dark to daylight") presaging significant material changes there, if the U.S. attempts to manage developments in the region weren't evident enough before, they surely are now. Western efforts to control not only material factors such as ground and villages, but also political and cultural factors (e. g., evaluation if the Afghan government is sufficiently constitutional) have been further evidenced by the U.N. election observers' findings and reports of fraud in the Afghan election requiring a second one on November 7. If anything, Obama is being more explicit , and is trying to exert more control than Bush ever did. No one knows how this will turn out. But we do know that it puts the U.S. into a weaker position vis-a-vis claims that its ambitions are imperialis­tic--which claims are a sure-fire recruiting tool for the Taliban and other anti-Western groups.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 10/29/2009

disingenous: "giving a false impression of simple frankness"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 10/30/2009
- placpje I'm a Fan of placpje 7 fans permalink

de·lu·sion
Pronunciation: di-ˈlü-zhən, dē-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
Date: 15th century

1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 10/30/2009
- tel8034 I'm a Fan of tel8034 92 fans permalink

"Maybe they're not gettable. I don't know."

GETTABLE? ..........­..... Is that a word?

Is Hillary now channelling George Bush?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 10/29/2009

not worth commenting on....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/29/2009
- dnifdoog I'm a Fan of dnifdoog 6 fans permalink
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irony

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 10/29/2009
- mivogo I'm a Fan of mivogo 14 fans permalink

It means accessible. If you had half of Hillary's intelligence, you'd know that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 10/29/2009
- shockaslim I'm a Fan of shockaslim 5 fans permalink

Lets not be condescending.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 10/29/2009

Hillary is very smart. Her shortcomings are on integrity and good judgment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 10/30/2009
- placpje I'm a Fan of placpje 7 fans permalink
    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 10/30/2009
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