Frank Says "Too Big To Fail" Bill Will Be Changed

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First Posted: 10-29-09 10:07 PM   |   Updated: 10-30-09 01:08 AM

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Democrats and Republicans ripped into Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner during a Congressional hearing Thursday, as Geithner defended an administration plan to address "too big to fail" financial firms.

Legislators argued that the plan institutionalized "too big to fail" by requiring perpetual government assistance -- bailouts -- for failed firms deemed to be systemically important; that the plan's fund -- to be used in the event of a firm's failure -- should be prepaid by these firms, as opposed to being paid after the fact by the survivors; and that the proposal specified that a list of designated firms would be kept secret, which was neither realistic nor helpful.

Federal bank regulators echoed that last point.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said it's not "realistic to try to keep this confidential." Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan added that "it's going to be hard not to disclose...who they are."

"Through some combination of mandatory disclosures to shareholders and financial analysts [figuring it out]...it is likely most, if not all, would eventually be known to the public," said Federal Reserve Governor Daniel Tarullo. "We should be realistic here about what will or will not be known."

A quick scan of the bill's language, though, shows that this isn't necessarily the case. But at the very least the language contributed to -- if not caused -- the confusion.

On page 12 of the bill, which was released Tuesday, the new body created to watch over systemically important firms "is authorized to issue formal recommendations, publicly or privately, that a Federal financial regulatory agency adopt heightened prudential standards for firms it regulates to mitigate systemic risk."

In short, the proposed council can publicly declare that regulators should apply tougher standards to these firms, thereby outing them as "too big to fail."

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But later, on page 17, the bill specifies that the new council and the Federal Reserve "may not publicly release a list of companies identified" as systemically important.

"There was this confusion today," House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "It does look complicated."

To that end, Frank said he's changing the bill, calling for the council to publicly recommend which firms will need tougher oversight by regulators. The effect will be that the public will know who is "too big to fail."

Not that most wouldn't be able to figure it out, though.

"If we polled the markets to find out which 20 institutions they believe are too big to fail, I am confident that there would be near-perfect agreement and that the list would very largely overlap that of the regulators," writes Douglas Elliott, a former investment banker and currently a fellow in economic studies at the Brookings Institution, a think tank.

Democrats and Republicans ripped into Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner during a Congressional hearing Thursday, as Geithner defended an administration plan to address "too big to fail" financial fi...
Democrats and Republicans ripped into Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner during a Congressional hearing Thursday, as Geithner defended an administration plan to address "too big to fail" financial fi...
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Sounds like a reasonable change. But the best thing would be to have criteria based on models for systemic risk, not on 'market polls'. The outcome may be the same, and such coincidence may be a good criterion for the soundness of the model, but to rely merely on qualitative judgement or polls seems like a bad idea, leaving too much discretion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 11/02/2009
- oldguydude I'm a Fan of oldguydude 17 fans permalink

Bawney franks is the biggest failure in the Congress whose failures have been overshadowed by the Health care debate.

Franks will be in charge of overseeing our next big financial collapse.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/02/2009

need to stop the admixure of money & politics. Time 4 the peopel to get the reform they need. heath care, education, a stable well paying job, and housing.

good articles; http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

Lets hope Obama will succeed

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 11/02/2009
- ekrub I'm a Fan of ekrub 2 fans permalink
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Why not simply reinstate Glass Stegall?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 AM on 11/02/2009

Governments involved in secret deals? Geithner has lived too long at the New York Fed, or he has to be a reincarnation of Georges Clemenceau and Lloyd George at the 1919 Peace Conference at Versailles. The nemesis of Woodrow Wilson. Secret deals remaining secret to protect a pack of blood sucking bankers?

Giethner and Obama in upholding the sanctity of secrecy in their dealing with bankers and insurance companies are throwbacks to some Gilded Age, perverse view of average Americans. Can they be that far out of date?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/01/2009
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If that's the best Barney can do then we are in a heap of trouble.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 11/01/2009
- maxhardon I'm a Fan of maxhardon 8 fans permalink

"But later, on page 17, the bill specifies that the new council and the Federal Reserve "may not publicly release a list of companies identified" as systemically important."

this is all so absurd.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 10/31/2009
- maxhardon I'm a Fan of maxhardon 8 fans permalink

and that the proposal specified that a list of designated firms would be kept secret, which was neither realistic nor helpful.

Change we can believe in?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 10/31/2009
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Since the people that plundered the Treasury and future generations of Americans aren't being held responsible then anything that is done in the pursuit of correction will FAIL.

The problem rest in a total and absolute lack of principles that can not be fixed in any other way than to do the right thing: allow for the application of the Rule of Law as written in the Constitution and to mete out punishments to the criminals that have perpetrated crimes.

Investigate. Prosecute. Jail. Impeachment must NEVER be off the table!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 10/31/2009

3.5%GDP growth cruses estimates, but the GOP talking heads will try to downplay it this weekend.

good articles http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 10/31/2009
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Why has our President who promised the people he would "PROTECT OUR INTERESTS" NOT DONE SO on Health Care, Regulations, and Foreclosures?

Could it be that this happened to him soon after the Election like it has to other Presidents in other countries?

In walks a representative of the Corporatocracy who says:

"Congratulations Mr. President!

(Quietly) And now I just want to tell you that in this pocket I have Several Hundred Million Dollars if you play the game our way.

(even more Quietly) And in this pocket I have a gu_n with a bu11et with your name on it in case you decide to keep your campaign promises."

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (jump to 4:25 mark for above quote - but entire video is valuable):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAqG51uwzMI&feature=PlayList&p=CFC50000766B264E&index=10&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 10/31/2009
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 97 fans permalink
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Oh, I suspect it happened long before the election. they wouldn't have taken a chance that they'd have an "off the reservation" president. Look what happened when Kennedy got loose.

I know you've looked at the stats of the $$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$­$$$$$$$$$$ Obama has taken from special interests, while he bragged that all his campaign contributions came from "small donors"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/01/2009

Barney Frank is big and fails all the time. Is he proposing to regulate himself?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 10/31/2009

Bring back Glass-Steagall, break up the Mega Banks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 10/30/2009
- artgurrl I'm a Fan of artgurrl 24 fans permalink

And break up Goldman Sachs too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/01/2009

Amen. The UK banks are being broken up and sold off in pieces. Sounds like a plan. If it's so big that failure would bring down the US economy (again), break it up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 11/01/2009


REAL unemployment is DOUBLE the 'official' statistics. Government has been playing major games with all stats for a while now - both parties are to blame.

good articles to http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

Also Barney Frank sucks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 10/30/2009
- CarmanK I'm a Fan of CarmanK 40 fans permalink

Barney Franks makes sense out of wall street and is a real voice for main street. If anything he is not impressed by the men in silk suits, which, for most of us is a very good sign that real reform is approachable. Transparency is essential going forward. It won't be up to the SEC and the FDIC to ignore warnings in the future when financial hogs and individuals like Bernie Madoff try to rip off consumers and american taxpayers. Wall Street had it's chance for " for keeping the markets honest". It is now up to Franks and others to make sure this never happens again. Since we also know that CPA firms can be influenced and overlook some of the obvious violations of disclosure laws, I think there be government auditors on duty on wall street at all times. And the first hint of corruption should be publicized and exposed. I am tired of the whining. These thieves put this in nation in real jeopardy. Never again, Mr. Franks, whatever it takes, never again!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 10/30/2009
- profproof I'm a Fan of profproof 3 fans permalink

Watch this and see that everything you've said about barney is false. he was warned by a regulator about the housing problem and not only ignored the regulator but started yelling at him. Wake up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 10/31/2009
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The whole idea is just plain bad. Too big to fail is simply too big. There's only one way to deal with these types firms and that is to break them up, period. No new legislation is needed. Just use the tools you already have. Why is this sooooooo difficult?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/30/2009
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