First-Time Jobless Claims Drop Less Than Expected

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CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER | 10/29/09 11:51 AM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The number of people claiming jobless benefits for the first time dropped less than expected last week, evidence that the labor market remains weak even as the economy is recovering.

The Labor Department said Thursday its tally of newly laid-off workers seeking unemployment insurance fell by 1,000 to a seasonally-adjusted 530,000. Analysts expected a steeper drop to 521,000, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters.

The report came on the same day the Commerce Department said the economy grew at a 3.5 percent pace in the July-September quarter, snapping a record streak of four straight quarterly declines. But the economy isn't growing quickly enough to spur much hiring.

Initial claims need to fall below about 450,000 to signal that employers are actually adding jobs, several economists said. Still, many saw some positive signs in the report.

The number of people continuing to claim unemployment insurance benefits dropped 148,000 to 5.8 million, a steeper fall than expected and the sixth straight decrease. Those figures lag initial claims by a week.

That doesn't include the nearly 4 million people receiving benefits from federal emergency programs during the week of Oct. 10, a decline of about 71,000 from the previous week. Many of those recipients likely are exhausting their benefits and falling off the rolls without finding jobs, some economists said.

The National Employment Law Project, an advocacy group for the unemployed, has projected that 1.3 million people will use up their benefits by the end of the year. Congress has added up to 53 extra weeks of support on top of the 26 typically provided by the states. The Senate is considering whether to provide another 14 to 20 weeks of emergency support for those about to run out.

About 52 percent of recipients in the past year have exhausted their regular state benefits, the highest proportion on records dating from 1972, according to Labor Department data.

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But the decline in the total benefit rolls could also mean at least some are finding jobs.

The drop suggests "people are returning to work rather than shifting" from the regular program to emergency benefits, Zach Pandl, an economist at Nomura Securities, wrote in a note to clients.

Meanwhile, the four-week average of claims, which smooths out volatility, fell for the eighth straight week to 526,250, its lowest level since early January. That indicates that companies are laying off fewer workers.

Initial claims have fallen at a faster pace than after the last two recessions in 1991 and 2001, according to John Canally, an economist at LPL Financial. The unemployment rate didn't peak until more than a year after each of those recessions ended, leading economists to dub them "jobless recoveries."

Claims have fallen by 19 percent since their peak in March, better than the 14 percent drops in the seven months following each of the last two recessions.

But claims fell about 27 percent in the same period after their peak in October 1982, as the economy quickly added jobs during the recovery. That suggests the current rebound could fall somewhere between the rapid hiring following the 1981-82 recession and the last two anemic recoveries, Canally said.

Economists closely watch initial claims, which are considered a gauge of layoffs and an indication of companies' willingness to hire new workers.

The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent in September from 9.7 percent, the department said earlier this month, as employers cut 263,000 jobs.

More job cuts were announced this week. Apparel maker Hanesbrands Inc. said Tuesday that it is shutting a hosiery plant in Winston-Salem, N.C., and laying off 240 employees.

Among the states, California had the largest increase in claims, with 5,774, which it attributed to layoffs in the construction, services and agricultural industries. Puerto Rico, Minnesota, Nevada and Nebraska also reported increases. The state data lag initial claims by one week.

Wisconsin had the largest drop in claims, with 5,681, which it attributed to fewer layoffs in manufacturing. New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois and Oregon had the next largest decreases.

WASHINGTON — The number of people claiming jobless benefits for the first time dropped less than expected last week, evidence that the labor market remains weak even as the economy is recovering...
WASHINGTON — The number of people claiming jobless benefits for the first time dropped less than expected last week, evidence that the labor market remains weak even as the economy is recovering...
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- andyboy I'm a Fan of andyboy 72 fans permalink

The new version of trickle down requires you to put up the cash first in the form of the taxes you pay. Then it's re-distributed to the rich. Then they invest it and buy nice stuff.

See it trickled right down into their pockets.

Now your even more desperate for a job any job. You'll gladly work for $25,000 per year. So now those savings from paying lower wages trickles right down into your boss's pocket!

It's even mo better than Reagan. Always remember it's Socialism to give a rich man money and then ask him what he's going to do with it. Why if there are strings attached I don't even want it. I'll still take it. I just don't want to take it. I'm taking it under duress. But i'll still take it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 10/29/2009
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Much of that trickle down Reagan proposed seems to have made it into the off shore non-taxpaying accounts where they resulted in $100 billion in lost taxes. Among those banks offering offshore accounts to shield financial transactions were Bank of America, American Express, Goldman Sachs and Citigroup which received billions in government bailouts.

It seems wealth management trickled down from the middle class pockets and into the pockets of the wealthy upper class aristocracy where it stayed in off shore accounts earning interest without benefiting our economy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 10/30/2009
- JohnLinus I'm a Fan of JohnLinus 3 fans permalink
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HuffPost as usual writing deceiving Pro-Obama headlines.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 10/29/2009
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It would be absolutely impossible for you to believe that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 10/29/2009
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First-time jobless claims drop less than expected? What would be the anti-Obama headline? Zero job loss blamed on Stimulus Plan

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 10/29/2009
- JohnLinus I'm a Fan of JohnLinus 3 fans permalink
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The non-biased headline would be Jobless Claims stops dropping; still at 530k

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 10/29/2009
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HEADLINES TODAY

"Why Obama's Iran Policy Will Fail: Stuck in Bush Mode"

"Big Pharma Ready For "Hand To Hand Combat" To Defend White House Deal"

"Pentagon Officials Won't Confirm Bush Propaganda Program Ended"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 10/29/2009
- JohnLinus I'm a Fan of JohnLinus 3 fans permalink
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OK, most are pro-obama.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 10/29/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 540 fans permalink
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Congress, if it does anything, will be attracted to tax credits for new jobs. Congress always prefers tax credits to direct spending. But when the consumer economy seems weak, employers are not going to hire more workers, no matter what incentives are provided.

That’s why I think we need not only more that tax credits, but also need more public investment in infrastructure and public services. The government must replace the broke consumer as the driver of demand in the U.S. economy for the next few years. And these are not mere “make-work†jobs, they also address a very real need in our country. Yes, more stimulus—what should have been done in the first place without the watering down in favor of bipartisanship.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/29/2009
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The corporate rich who rule government care only about short-term
quick return on investments that yield excessive profits.
Wars being their first choice.

What you propose is long term government investments yielding infrastructure,
such as mass transit and government owned hospitals and utilities.
The best possible investments for society as they typically return to the
government over 15 times more profit then the original investment.

But horse before the cart, first take from the rich control of government,
then talk about how to control government.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 10/29/2009
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BRAİN-POWER DICTATORSHIP

The rich keep the upper half of society, the more intelligent half,
in a self-absorbed condition by making sure they have more
wealth then they need. Things like Cash For Clunkers, $8
thousand for First Time Home Buyers and special bailouts
for those in a mortgage foreclosure.

And so, unemployment for the upper half of society is less
than 2%, while for the lower half its almost 20%.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 10/29/2009
- frank1569 I'm a Fan of frank1569 14 fans permalink

Excuse me (glug) the champagne bubbled over the glass...

Whoo hoo! "The Great Recession" is finally officially over!!! And, coincidentally, right in time for the Season of Buying Tons of Un-needed Crap For The Wrong Reasons!

Already I miss the 'Great' parts... the daily decision between peanut butter or tuna sandwiches... Friday's at the Food Pantry... losing the house, car and 15lbs...

I know, I know - man up, the good times are a-rollin' again! Whoo f#@king hoo!

...At least until the "Really Awesome Recession" hits...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 10/29/2009
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I'll tell you one thing from my perspective. I have seen a reduction in my pay since around the year 2000, no raises, or poor raises, new job for less money, meaning no growth compared to the cost of living. Merely having a job has nothing to do with the economy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/29/2009
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I agree... you also can include those who have a part-time job that really need it to be full-time. Also, add those who have the training for a much higher level job, but can't have what they are trained for because there are no jobs.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 10/29/2009
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So we are in the lower class, the lower 50% of society that has no wealth.

So we are enslaved by the more intelligent half of society
and can never be free until we organize a mass rebellion.
That's what I always say.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/29/2009
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People need to get a grip. This will prove to be a classic text book recovery from an economic recession. Jobs are and will always be a lagging indicator of an economy recovering from a bad economy. John K. Galbraith's econmic theories will be proven to be spot on. There have been signs for the past 3-5 months that the econmy is rebounding, the so called leading indicators. It's like givng birth, no matter what you do, it takes 9 months for a healthy baby to be born, no matter how many fertility drugs an octomom may take, it still takes 9 months. The government injected the economy with the stimulus, sperm fertilizing an egg. Now we see the belly growing, leading indicators of a pregnancy, as the baby forms in the womb, slowly but surely. But she ain't coming out until 9 months. Our economy is growing. . The jobs will come and are coming, but it'll take time This is no solace I know for the unemployed. I'd just say hang in there and get ready for the jobs ...chahnging daipers, burping, feeding, .....you know what I mean. :)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/29/2009
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Let's hope we don't have to live thru the terrible twos.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/29/2009
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From what I can determine, favorable economic theories worked as long as there were opportunities like the westward expanison and a growing population resulting in a growing work force. However, once the westward expansion ended, housing within a commutable distance became too expensive for younger generations to afford, and as the work force began to decline, the economy could no longer support itself. As a result the housing bubble burst, the credit default swaps lost value and failed, the banking industry collapsed and the economy crumbled.

Now factor in that the population declines of the 1960s and 1970s reached the prime purchasing age between 30 and 50 resulting in a reduced the purchasing power of the combined X and Y generations who will have to make up for the lost purchasing power of the Baby Boomers when they retire or die off? Remember that 50% of the current work force are Baby Boomers. So, what happens when they retire? The year 2005 was the biggest work force of the combined X, Y and Baby Boomer generations. In 2007, the work force began to decline and the housing bubble burst.

Check out this spending wave that shows a lost in purchasing power for the next 20 years or more:

http://www.hsdent.com/spending-wave

We are entering new era when economic theories will have to factor in a different set of criteria built around sustainability rather than growth.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 10/30/2009
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PURPOSE OF LIFE ---- DESTINY

In order to have a freewill, the freedom to pursue happiness as we perceive it to be, we must first know why we should never do crime, namely evìl.

good: to enrich yourself upon the enrichment of others. Permanent happiness.

crime: to enrich yourself upon the misery of others. Immediate pleasure.

Now we all know what is crime, a painful thing if ever someone did it to us. And in a fair and just society crime and evìl would be the same thing. And the highest law in the land would be,

“No one shall enrich themselves upon the misery of another.â€

So the purpose of this world is to reach the ultimate conclusion of crime, and to achieve this virtually everyone is given the illusion that they deserve more, which gives them a guilty conscience anytime they fail to take all they can take.

So since the beginning of civilization planet earth has been an intelligence dictatorship. With everyone enriching themselves upon the misery of those less intelligent. With everyone worshiping those more intelligent. The ultimate conclusion of it being capitalism, a competition based brÄ…in-power dictatorship.

So, when will know that we have reached the ultimate conclusion of crime? Simple, when all things turn toward the good. For then the illusion that we deserve more will be replaced with the reality that we all deserve less. Which will give us a guilty conscience anytime we fail to give all we can give.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/29/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 540 fans permalink
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This story says that new jobless fell by 1,000 to 530,000. Analysts expected a steeper drop to 521,000. So, we’re talking about a difference of 9,000 jobs. Big deal! I mean, it is a big deal for those new 9,000 who lost their jobs, but my point is they were hoping that only 9,000 more people kept their jobs? Those are pretty low expectations.

Then, in a story right below this one, another blog says this:
“While the job market remains a long way from recovering, first-time claims for unemployment benefits fell more than expected last week, offering some cause for optimism.â€

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/new-jobless-claims-fall-m_0_n_281789.html

Which is it? Either way, it is paltry. And you know what else it is? Trickle down. Again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 10/29/2009
- Sacchinftw I'm a Fan of Sacchinftw 9 fans permalink

Would you be happier if the number of new jobless increased? Some improvement is better than no improvement, right?

Or are you one of those Country-first, American- haters?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 10/29/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 540 fans permalink
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You must be new here. Read my other posts and learn the players. Or are you one of those who feel any criticism of anything under a Democratic administration is disloyal?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 10/29/2009
- Overtone I'm a Fan of Overtone 20 fans permalink
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A HUMAN DEVELOPMENT BASED ECONOMY VIA A SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM

A so far ignored Human Investment Tax Credit (HITC) program can create up to 6 million jobs and launch perhaps 4 million entrepreneurs.

Download it free at: http://www.aesopinstitute.org

The 1977 job tax credit program included a few of these incentives and generated almost one million jobs - 20% of the jobs created that year!

An updated version will soon be available entitled: A HUMAN DEVELOPMENT BASED ECONOMY VIA A SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. Congress should fine-tune and pass this program without delay!

Another path to millions of jobs is described in the article: 5 Steps to Revive the Auto Industry and the Economy - on the same Aesop Institute website.

It outlines revolutionary new technology that opens surprising paths to cars that need no fossil fuel or recharge. Advanced versions can later turn parked cars into power plants, able to wirelessly sell power to the local utility.

The technology is not yet in the textbooks and will be greeted with extreme skepticism and disbelief.

However, independent laboratory validation of one remarkable breakthrough has taken place at Rowan University. It produced far more heat than can readily be explained by existing science, clearly suggesting a new source of energy is involved. The experiments should rapidly be repeated at other laboratories.

The Rowan validation began the process of proving that new technology can allow a barrel of water to replace 200 barrels of oil!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 10/29/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 540 fans permalink
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Thank you for the link.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 10/29/2009
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urgh. I'm too impatient.


But nonetheless, here comes the spins 3, 2,.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 10/29/2009
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

The only people who are doing well are the same people who started this whole mess in the first place. And everybody else can go to blazes. The ship is still sinking, and that's not gloom-mongering, it's fact.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 10/29/2009
- drulay I'm a Fan of drulay 2 fans permalink

This is not a sign of recovery. This is a sign of mass transfer of wealth.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 10/29/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 540 fans permalink
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That is true, but remember what Fox was telling everyone? The dangerous Obama agenda of "redistribution of wealth" from the rich to the poor. HAH!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 10/29/2009

Take out Cash for Clunkers and the Economy actually decreased 1.47%. And C4C only cost each taxpayer 24K.

Great work Congress, screwed us again.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091028-715225.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 10/29/2009
- comicpro I'm a Fan of comicpro 32 fans permalink
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Less than expected: tell that to the people who lost their jobs! That less than expected term came from Wall Street where the shining of bad news was placated by this term. Basically means nothing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 10/29/2009
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