Geithner Testimony: New "Too Big To Fail" Legislation Won't Lead To More Bailouts

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JIM KUHNHENN and ANNE FLAHERTY | 10/29/09 06:30 PM | AP

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Geithner Testimony

WASHINGTON — An Obama administration plan to dissolve large, struggling financial firms rather than bail them out is encountering Republican resistance, Democratic doubts and only qualified support from regulators.

At a House Financial Services hearing Thursday, lawmakers from both parties worried that the proposal would give regulators and the executive branch unprecedented power.

"I'm not a man that fears this administration or you," Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., told Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. "But I do fear the accumulation of power exercised by someone in the future that can be extraordinary."

Others argue that by singling out financial firms important to the economy, the government could inevitably set itself up to bail them out, and that even dismantling rather than rescuing them would take taxpayer money.

"Apparently, the `too big to fail' model is too hard to kill," quipped Republican Rep. Ed Royce of California.

Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., called the bill "TARP on steroids," referring to the government's $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

"You've got permanent, unlimited bailout authority," he told Geithner.

Geithner disagreed.

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"The only authority we would have would be to manage their failure," he told the committee.

The debate comes as Congress works on legislation to respond to the financial crisis that clobbered Wall Street last year and fed the recession.

For the committee's chairman, Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who wrote the proposal in close coordination with Treasury, the broad skepticism illustrates the delicate work needed to tackle such a big task.

The legislation would let federal regulators identify and monitor big financial firms and step in to wind them down before they collapse. If the government must use taxpayer money to dissolve a company, Treasury would recoup those costs by imposing a fee on firms with assets of at least $10 billion.

When to create such a fund has become a significant point of contention.

Frank and the administration recommended that any taxpayer infusion be recovered after the fact from large institutions.

But Sheila Bair, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which would conduct such a wind down, said the industry should pay into an insurance-like fund ahead of time. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka pressed for a similar structure.

Large financial firms, however, oppose an up-front payment. And Geithner said a prepaid fund would increase the temptation – or "moral hazard" – for companies to take excessive risks with the expectation that the government will step in to protect them.

"We don't want to create that expectation," Geithner said.

A key element of the proposal would assemble a council of regulators to identify large institutions whose businesses and transactions are so intertwined that their collapse would damage the economy.

The legislation envisions keeping the list of those firms secret, though Geithner acknowledged that existing disclosure requirements would make it hard to hide their identities.

The Federal Reserve would have additional powers to oversee those institutions and, if necessary, step in and regulate them.

Comptroller of the Currency John C. Dugan said that additional power the legislation would give the Fed could result in less effective banking standards and undermine the role of other bank regulators.

The FDIC, which currently oversees smaller insured depository institutions, could dissolve large failing institutions – an authority it now only holds over banks.

Regulators were powerless last year when investment bank Lehman Brothers and insurance giant American International Group neared collapse.

The government let Lehman Brothers fail, helping trigger the worst financial crisis in seven decades as nervous investors withdrew funds from money markets and credit lines froze. When it came to AIG, the Bush administration decided to swoop in with a hefty government bailout. Frank and Geithner said the latest proposal would prevent the government from having to decide between doing nothing and a costly rescue.

"Without the ability for the government to step in, manage the failure of a large firm and contain the risk of a fire spreading, we are resigned to repeat the experience of last fall," Geithner said.

Bank representatives told lawmakers they oppose putting the FDIC in charge of dismantling failing nonbank firms. Banks pay the FDIC to insure deposits, and they don't want their premiums to pay for the FDIC's new power.

"If our fund is strong and a major nonbank fails, there will be a strong temptation to unfairly raid the bank FDIC fund to pay for it," said Edward Yingling, president of the American Bankers Association, in written testimony.

Frank on Thursday also clashed on another financial regulation front. The House Energy and Commerce Committee wants to change the governing structure for a consumer finance protection agency that Frank's committee had already approved.

The Financial Services Committee wants a single director to run the agency. The energy committee on Thursday approved an amendment placing a five-member bipartisan commission in charge.

Frank said the change "will weaken the capacity of the agency to provide consumer protection."

WASHINGTON — An Obama administration plan to dissolve large, struggling financial firms rather than bail them out is encountering Republican resistance, Democratic doubts and only qualified supp...
WASHINGTON — An Obama administration plan to dissolve large, struggling financial firms rather than bail them out is encountering Republican resistance, Democratic doubts and only qualified supp...
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get rid of geithner and half the resistance to correcting the problem goes away.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 11/10/2009

REAL unemployment is DOUBLE the 'official' statistics. Government has been playing major games with all stats for a while now - both parties are to blame.

good articles to http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

Also Barney Frank sucks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 10/30/2009

Is it OK to take your AK 47 to a Goldman Sachs Board meeting? I'd like to have a talk with Lloyd Bankstein.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 10/30/2009

Somebody ought to get a rope around Geithmer.s neck and pull him up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 10/30/2009

Are people really this stupid in the USA? It is all so simple (unless you need to obey your Corporate Sponsors). Why don't we just create an Insurance program for these financial institutions. I have to have automobile insurance so that I don't put others at risk. Likewise financial firms need to pay insurance in case of financial disaster. Just as my insurance company charges me more if I am a bad driver or drive a sports car, those financial firms that play risky games will have a much higher premium. Then if they go under, the tax payers won't have to pay for it.
Why didn't we learn from the $80 billion dollars bailout of Saving and Loans in the 1980s? Because big business knew we would forget. This bailout is over 100 times worse and we still do nothing. The next bailout will bankrupt the whole country if we don't do something. (Who knows, if the Chinese stop lending us money, this $23 trillion dollar bailout of Corporate FInance may bankrupt us anyway.) It took years for FDR to get through legislation to do the same thing for Banks called the FDIC. (Of course, the powers that be won't let them raise rates to cover the ever increasing failures of unregulated banks.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 10/30/2009
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Try to imagine a multiple-car collision that totaled 80% of the insured cars all at the same time. Honestly, do you think the reserve created for the insured cars would be sufficient to cover the damages? The answer is no. The reserve fund would be depleted by such an accident in a nano second, and the car insurance company would declare bankruptcy. Most of the insure would get a few dollars at most for their damaged cars.

That is the difference between systemic damage, and few fender benders. A systemic crisis can destroy the whole system.

Creating a pile of cash big enough to pay for a systemic crisis would distort the economy in many very negative ways.

The astonishing thing about the credit crisis is they found the best answer on how to stabilize a systemic crisis. It's cheap; it's effective; it's temporary: you create a TARP fund and expand the Federal Reserve balance sheet - with no congressional oversight. It worked, and everybody hates it. Only in human zoo could this happen.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 10/30/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 160 fans permalink
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You mean we still haven't arrested this guy yet...!

Why not..?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 10/29/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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geithner and bernake , tweedle dee and tweedle dumb competing to be leader of the banking kingdom.

How much money can he give to his banking buddies? One will never know because so much is kept secret.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 10/29/2009
- TeeLolly I'm a Fan of TeeLolly 47 fans permalink

He'll keep shoveling it their way until he leaves his post to join them ...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 10/30/2009

Geithner's going to make a stash of money working for Goldman

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 10/30/2009

Blaming the crisis on CRA or subprime lending is flat out wrong: there were not enough subprime borrowers to cause a catastrophe of this magnitude. For that, you needed greed-induced leverage, a complete lack of ethics, and a set of parasitic financial institutions.

As we noted in April, 2008:

"With the development of toxic (derivative and subprime lending) financial products, the relationship between investment banks and the economy has turned parasitic."

You also need a compliant (non functioning) regulatory apparatus, something we warned about in 1998:

"“The nature of financial market activities is such that significant dislocations can and do occur quickly, with great force. These dislocations strike across institutional lines. That is, they affect both banks and securities firms. The financial institution regulatory structure is not in place to effectively evaluate these risks, however. Given this, the public is at risk.”

See:http://twisri.blogspot.com/2009/07/bernankes-history.html

Why the market failed - http://twisri.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-market-failed.html

Adam Smith on the Current Financial Crisis - http://twisri.blogspot.com/2009/04/adam-smith-on-current-financial-crisis.html

What happened. What now. - http://twisri.blogspot.com/2009/04/commercial-and-investment-banks-used.html

To REALLY see what went wrong, take a look at page 6: http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71903/wmccir122203.pdf See page 2: http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s71005/wcunningham5867.pdf

Also see: http://www.ethicalmarkets.com//wp-content/uploads/2008/12/financialbailoutcomment1.pdf

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 10/29/2009
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CRA and subprime are not one in the same thing. There was not even close to enough CRA lending to cause the credit crisis. There was more than enough subprime lending to cause the credit crisis.

I do not believe economic modelers can get this economy to fall into a credit crisis without excessive subprime, which would make it the likely cause.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 10/30/2009
- chayefsky I'm a Fan of chayefsky 23 fans permalink

Break them up now. Don't wait for further trouble. Reinstate the second Glass-Steagal Act.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 10/29/2009
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IS IT TIME YET? BIRTH OF A NEW SYSTEM: STAGES OF REMOVING CORRUPT 0LD SYSTEM

Natural progression of stages from 0LD to NEW:

*Stage 1: Disillusionment: Realize PROBLEMS are so Severe Reform seems Impossible! Some Chance of Reform exists!

*Stage 2: Erosion: Characterized by Chipping Away at 0LD SYSTEM with Facts, Complaints, Evaluation of Inequities +Imbalances. ANGER is expressed! Chance of Reform still exists - growing uncertainty!

Stage 3: Detachment: All interest and commitment to saving 0LD System is LOST as discussions shut down! Disenchantment with 0LD System increases while intensified conflict decreases as FOCUS moves to defining NEW SYSTEM! “Dream of NEW Future” without 0LD Problems!

Stage 4: Dismantling: Building Knowledge and Courage to replace 0LD System with New System brings Enormous Relief of past Disillusionment. Some anxiety, initial confusion, and fe_ar exists but resolves as New System becomes clearer.

Stage 5: Mourning: Removes ghosts of 0ld System as process moves to NEW Concrete Goals and Objectives. Anger at 0ld System is released/removed.

Stage 6: BIRTH of Fully Defined New System: Concentration on Choices, Clear Vision of things to come, Excitement, Evaluation of Alternatives and Risks, and Near Final Definition of Structure of the New System! Detailed Plan of action is developed.

Stage 7: Implementation and Hard Work: Renewed vitality, Pursuit of Goals, Finalize Policy Issues+Management Issues+Laws and Legal Definitions. Goals are Reached and Aspirations Achieved+R­ealization of New Balance of Power. New Confidence rises in final stage as Hard Work Follows.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 10/29/2009
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For NOW GEITHNER MUST BE STOPPED!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 10/29/2009
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Robert Re!ch article on Why Big Banks Should Be Broken Up (see link)

Why White House+Congress Don't Want To

Summers+Ge­ithner+Rub­in+Greensp­an (SGRG)=Urged repeal of Glass-Steagall
SGRG = + Removal of Commodity Futures Trading Corp + Deregulation

5 Wall Street behemoths (WS 5), bigger than before Meltdown = Pay fatter Incomes!

WS 5 are Raking in huge profits knowing 0bama Admin will bail them out if they FAIL!

Two Washington ideas:

1. Break up Giant banks as Greenspan and Volcker said!
2. 0bama Admin + WS 5 Plan = Wait for Giant to FAIL & Use process like bankruptcy with BAILOUTS

Geithner+Summers Plan = Sell assets to pay creditors+ shareholders get nothing

Treasury determines when to use "resolution" process + appoints a receiver like FDIC

But Congress wants to bypass Treasury in same Process = Directly to FDIC

By time MEGA bank poses "systemic risk" to economy =Too late as everybody is in FIX

Gives MEGA banks escape hatch = MORE Gov Money to get through Crisis = BAILOUTS

Geithner+Summers as WS f1unkies= Risk President’s Credibility + Financial stability

Congress=Unwilling to unleash antitrust laws on WS banks or resurrect Glass-Steagall

Congress= OWNED Lackeys of WS = WS5 detest notion behemoths break-up

Winding Down after CRISIS is no answer as damage already done.

Using antitrust laws or enacting new Glass-Steagall Act on WS 5 needs to happen soon!

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/10/too-big-to-fail-why-big-banks-should-be.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 10/29/2009
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I realize I'm a jerk about this but come on, you morons. Some of the same people who didn't read the article or think it's about banks are the same people who supported Matt Taibi's call to elect Elizabeth Warren president for calling for this exact legislation last week!

It doesn't matter if you like Tim Geithner or not. This is legislation that gets debated, ammended and then written down when it becomes law. It's asking that firms whose failure would cause people's job/retirement money/house to evaporate be closed down by the FDIC beforehand. The companies themselves pay into the FDIC just like banks do now. This is the most basic component of reform!

You people too dumb to think about this. I'm sure you would be happier reading a nice naked celebrity article over in the orange section.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 10/29/2009

No, it says in the article that Geithner is AGAINST a prepaid insurance. If it works so well to wind down failed financial institutions and pay for it from those surviving afterwards, why don' t they do it now? Many are having record profits. It is because they know if they wait until afterwards, they can just say that the remaining institutions are too fragile to pay for it. Lets go to the taxpayers and have them pay for it.
Sheila Bair is the only intelligent voice on this subject in Washington. Don't forget, Geithner, Rubin, and Summers were all Bush cronies. Why do you think Bush liked them so much. In fact, as Greenspan disciples, they stopped any regulation on derivatives years back when it would have done some good.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 10/30/2009
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 22 fans permalink

This all has become just some of the most entertaining THEATRICS I've ever witnessed in "government". What a joke.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 10/29/2009

Ron Paul really grilled him today. It looks like the world is ready to move on . The world will move away from the dollar the question is when. Hey it could happen soon. http://www.samplesalesletter.net

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 10/29/2009
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I thought it was supposed to be when the fed created money not backed by shiny, yellow metal six months ago. Why didn't it happen then?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/29/2009

time to let the banks fail

good articles; http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

no point in voting

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 10/29/2009
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Time to reread the article.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 10/29/2009
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