Clinton Faces Pakistani Anger At Predator Drone Attacks

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ROBERT BURNS | 10/30/09 09:43 PM | AP

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ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton faced sharp rebukes from Pakistani audiences Friday, including one woman who accused the U.S. of conducting "executions without trial" in aerial drone strikes. Slapping back, Clinton questioned Pakistan's commitment to fighting terrorists.

"Somebody, somewhere in Pakistan must know where these people are," Clinton said in an exchange almost as blunt as her exasperated comments a day earlier that Pakistani officials lacked the will to target al-Qaida.

Her stormy three-day visit, rocked at the start by a terrorist blast in Peshawar that killed 105 Pakistanis, revealed clear signs of strain between the two nations despite months of public insistence that they were on the same wavelength in the war on terror.

By speaking bluntly about the Pakistanis' failure to find and eliminate top al-Qaida leaders – eight years after they were run out of Afghanistan – Clinton appeared to be trying to prod the Pakistanis to go beyond their current military campaign against internal militants in South Waziristan.

Pakistan's army recently launched a major offensive in the border area to clear out Pakistani Taliban elements from hideouts there. But two earlier army efforts made little progress there – leaving questions about the military's resolve to tackle al-Qaida head-on.

Clinton's tough talk on Pakistan's apparent inability to root out al-Qaida also appeared to be aimed at reminding the country's civilian and military leaders that the assault on Pakistani Taliban elements in South Waziristan would not be finished unless al-Qaida too was targeted. She noted explicitly that the Taliban militants there are "in league with" the terror group that fomented the Sept. 11 attacks.

"After South Waziristan is finished, the Pakistanis will have to go on to try to root out other terrorist groups, or we're going to be back facing the same threats," she warned.

During the visit and talks with Pakistani leaders, Clinton found herself repeatedly on the defensive from ordinary Pakistanis brimming with resentment toward U.S. foreign policy.

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During a live broadcast of an interview before a predominantly female audience of several hundred, Clinton struggled to avoid describing the classified U.S. effort to target terrorists, and still try to explain the efforts of American foreign policy.

One woman asked Clinton how she would define terrorism.

"Is it the killing of people in drone attacks?" the woman asked. Then she asked if Clinton considered both the U.S. missile strikes and militant bombings like the one that killed more than 100 civilians in the city of Peshawar earlier in the week as acts of terrorism.

"No, I do not," Clinton replied.

Another man said bluntly: "Please forgive me, but I would like to say we've been fighting your war."

But she was also on an offensive of her own, coiled with pent-up frustration about Pakistan's incremental handling of terrorists. The sentiment was quickly echoed by other U.S. officials, including on Friday in Washington by White House spokesman Robert Gibbs.

As she sparred with Pakistani citizens and journalists, Clinton faced sharp questions about the secret U.S. program that uses unmanned aircraft to launch missiles to kill terrorists along the porous, ungoverned border with Afghanistan.

But she refused to go into detail about the classified strikes that have killed both key terror leaders and bystanders, long a source of outrage among Pakistan's population despite an equally deadly campaign of militant-spawned bombings.

Asked repeatedly about the drones, a subject that involves highly classified CIA operations, Clinton said only that "there is a war going on." She added that the Obama administration is committed to helping Pakistan defeat the insurgents.

Before flying Friday to the United Arab Emirates for consultations with Palestinian leaders on Mideast peace prospects, Clinton appeared to slightly temper her earlier comments that some Pakistani officials knew where al-Qaida's upper echelon has been hiding and had done little to target them.

"We don't know where, and I have no information that they know where, but this is a big government. You know, it's a government on many levels. Somebody, somewhere in Pakistan must know where these people are. And we'd like to know because we view them as really at the core of the terrorist threat that threatens Pakistan, threatens Afghanistan, threatens us, threatens people all over the world," Clinton said.

A day earlier she had been more explicit in her skepticism, telling a Pakistani journalist in Lahore: "I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to. Maybe that's the case. Maybe they're not gettable. I don't know."

A top Pakistan official insisted Friday that his country is fighting back against militants. "We have decided to fight back," said Interior Minister Rehman Malik, who joined Clinton at a police training center.

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Associated Press Writer Tim Sullivan contributed to this story from Islamabad.

ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton faced sharp rebukes from Pakistani audiences Friday, including one woman who accused the U.S. of conducting "executions without trial" ...
ISLAMABAD — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton faced sharp rebukes from Pakistani audiences Friday, including one woman who accused the U.S. of conducting "executions without trial" ...
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Terrorism is "using violent means to achieve a political end"

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/02/2009
- Caru I'm a Fan of Caru 8 fans permalink

Exactly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/02/2009
- Caru I'm a Fan of Caru 8 fans permalink

Quote "Somebody, somewhere in Pakistan must know where these people are,"

There are around 180 million people in Pakistan Ms. Clinton. Do you want to water-board them all?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 11/02/2009

She is a tough women. I'm not really happy about her comments on the previous administration, especially over seas, but, but she seems to understand that this is not a law enforcement problem.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 11/02/2009
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I am sure the world revolted when the Chinese invented gunpowder.
Whoever has the technology will use it in warfare.....period. End of story.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 11/02/2009
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Do you even realize what you just said?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 11/02/2009
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Absolutely, and history is replete with events.
One country or tribe gains a technological advantage and it is translated into use in warfare.
As it is translated into civilian use as well.
Everyone wanted gunpowder once it was available same as TNT or dynamite.
It could be used to build roads and mining or against one's enemies.
Ahhh, the duality of nature and men.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/02/2009
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of course the drone attacks are WRONG.
just saying it must su ck to be the one to face those folks right now.
seems like clinton was sent to a no-win situation... i'm sure she is totally stressed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 11/02/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 152 fans permalink
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drone attacks= terrorism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 11/02/2009

So would bombing from B-52s not be terrorism, then?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/02/2009
- Caru I'm a Fan of Caru 8 fans permalink

Yes, it only really hurts civilians.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 11/02/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

It's not just Pakistanis who are asking.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8329412.stm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/01/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 152 fans permalink
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Rog,
Thanks for the link.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 11/02/2009
- Tidyus I'm a Fan of Tidyus 2 fans permalink

Does the Kerry/Lugar bill demand that US can go anywhere in Pakistan it wants without asking permission? This is what has been reported in Pakistan. Is it true? If Clinton was asked about this, it was never reported here.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/01/2009
- Caru I'm a Fan of Caru 8 fans permalink

On the bright side, I'm sure India will be happy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 11/02/2009
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This is ridiculous! Why is no one talking about our countries' decades old policies in the middle east that have led to terrorist attacks against us and our allies in the first place. Sure they don't like our culture but at the time when the attacks began that was hardly the reason why. We support Israel with heavy financial and military assistance and they are doing to the Palestinian people what Milosevic was doing in Kosovo. I won't go as far as to call it Nazi-esque as some have but Israel's last little jaunt into the Gaza was nothing short of a planned, systematic effort to destabilize and fracture the infrastructure of Gaza with no regard to civilian casualties. And as the U.N. has already made clear there were many cases where the Israeli military purposely caused civilian casualties using banned weapons such as "White Phosphorus". The growth of religious extremism in both the Israeli and U.S. military forces is of concern to not just these two nations but to the world at large.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 11/01/2009
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Regardless of who arranged for it, the jets of nine-eleven were the equivalent of "crash drones".
And "terrorist" was the word on almost everyone's lips.
Why wouldn't it be for the use of drones in Pakistan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/01/2009
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Not informing the Pakistanis. Not giving any warning to civilians. A silent strike from above killing insurgents but also innocent Pakistanis on the ground. 1914 Marine Corps Manual on counterinsurgent warfare ( developed after the ONLY successful counter insurgency war fought by the US in the 20th. century) : "Be careful who you kill. You can make a friend or create an enemy." This war will not be won from the air. period. No B-1s, N0b-2s, no f-111s. This is a ground war folks. It seems even attack helicopters are at a disadvantage in Afghanistan and the high mountains of Pakistan. Don’t ya think insurgents know this? The Afghanis have been at war for 20 years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/01/2009
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Weren't the jets on 9/11 basically, "crash" drones?
Was anyone happy about that? Regardless of who actually created that scenario.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/01/2009
- Caru I'm a Fan of Caru 8 fans permalink

Essentially they were.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/02/2009
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Hillary has done a very poor job on this trip.. not professional at all.

Here's my take on this whole Pakistan trip and why it was such a failure:

http://durkadurkistan.blogspot.com/2009/10/things-that-fail-hillary-clintons-trip.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/01/2009
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Nice blog. =)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 11/02/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 152 fans permalink
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Indeed, a good blog. Thank you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 11/02/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 120 fans permalink
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END THE WAR NOW TODAY........it is a waste only benefiting the ones who profit from war..the maker of the drone say we need to send more........if we do not take the profit out of war it will never end......

CFJ
Nam 1 69-72 end Nam 2 now if you want to support our troops bring them home alive......

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 11/01/2009
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If someone were to send armed drones over American neighborho­ods"accide­ntly" killing people, would the American people then consider it terrorism?
You bet.
So why should anyone expect anything different from Pakistan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 11/01/2009
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Exactly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 11/01/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 120 fans permalink
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we seem to live in some weird parallel universe..­........wh­at we do to world, while demanding they world do as we say not as we do.......no wonder we are hated and laughed at.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 11/01/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 120 fans permalink
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do as we say not as we do........or we will ki// you......too many buy in on this thinking

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/01/2009
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