Maine Voters To Decide Future Of Gay Marriage Law Tuesday

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DAVID SHARP | 11/ 1/09 01:20 PM | AP

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PORTLAND, Maine — Gay marriage has lost in every single state in which it has been put to a popular vote. Come Election Day, gay-rights supporters are hoping to make Maine the exception.

In a referendum that is being closely watched around the country and has drawn millions in out-of-state dollars, Maine voters will decide Tuesday whether to repeal a state law that would allow same-sex couples to marry.

If it is repealed, it will be another major defeat for the gay-rights movement, which saw voters in California put a stop to same-sex weddings there last year. A loss in Maine would be especially heartbreaking, given the way New England has been the region of the country most receptive to gay marriage.

The polls have been difficult to interpret. But both sides say the contest will be extremely close and will hinge on turnout, particularly among the 18-to-25-year-olds who went to the polls in great numbers last year to elect President Barack Obama.

"There's a knot in my stomach," said Steve Ryan of Buxton, who operates a property management business with his partner of 34 years, Jim Bishop. "We're very encouraged, and we're very worried at the same time."

Gay-marriage supporters have framed the issue as a matter of equality for all families, straight or gay. Opponents say that allowing same-sex couples to wed would be a dangerous social experiment and that Maine's domestic registry law could simply be bolstered to give gays additional legal rights.

"The stakes are very high for both sides. The gay marriage community has never won at the ballot box before on a straight up-or-down vote," said Frank Schubert, who coordinated the campaign to override California's highest court and repeal gay marriage there.

Over the past five years, 26 states have passed constitutional amendments limiting marriage to a man and a woman.

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The Maine law was passed by the Legislature last spring but never went into effect because of a petition drive by opponents. Five other states have legalized gay marriage: Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont – all in New England – and Iowa. All five of them did it by way of court or legislative action, not referendums.

"California was just a dress rehearsal for Maine," said Christian Potholm, a political science professor at Bowdoin College in Brunswick.

In related action Tuesday, voters in Washington state will decide whether to expand their domestic partnership law, and people in Kalamazoo, Mich., will consider whether to prohibit discrimination against gays.

In Portland, boisterous supporters of gay marriage – many of them students – far outnumbered the other side at the University of Southern Maine debate last week.

Enthusiasm for gay marriage has swept the campus, said Leigh Charest, 19. "People feel it's right and they want to do as much as they can," Charest said.

In addition to reaching out to young people, gay-marriage defenders have tried to make the campaign about the "Maine values" of personal freedom – the flinty, just-let-me-be attitude embodied by Maine's rugged lobstermen, loggers and outdoorsmen.

The pro-gay-marriage side has "very adeptly said this is not a campaign about telling people what they have to do. It's about allowing people the independence to do what they want to do. That's a basic, firm Maine value," said Sandy Maisel, director of the Goldfarb Center for Public Affairs and Civic Engagement at Colby College in Waterville.

Philip Spooner, an 87-year-old World War II medic and ambulance driver, became an Internet sensation thanks to his testimony in favor of gay marriage at a public hearing.

On the video, viewed more than a half-million times on YouTube, the retired truck driver and laundry operator and lifelong Republican from Biddeford said he raised four boys – three straight, one gay – and expected them to be treated the same.

"It takes all kinds of people to make the world go," he said. "It doesn't make sense that some people who love each other can marry and others can't, just because of who they are. This is what we fought for in World War II, that idea that we can be different and still be equal."

As in California, the National Organization for Marriage has been a major contributor, funneling $1.5 million to those fighting same-sex marriage in Maine.

The New Jersey-based organization has come under fire for refusing to release the names of its contributors as required by Maine law, saying the measure violates the First Amendment. The state ethics commission is investigating.

PORTLAND, Maine — Gay marriage has lost in every single state in which it has been put to a popular vote. Come Election Day, gay-rights supporters are hoping to make Maine the exception. In a r...
PORTLAND, Maine — Gay marriage has lost in every single state in which it has been put to a popular vote. Come Election Day, gay-rights supporters are hoping to make Maine the exception. In a r...
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As a straight man in a "traditional" marriage, I fail to see how Gay marriage will affect me and my family. In fact, I see how gay people are being discriminated against. To all you of you that oppose gay marriage I say, Mind your own business and worry about your own life. Most of you are religious people, does your god approve of discrimination? Would Jesus approve of denying rights to people you don't see eye to eye with?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 11/11/2009
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Based on the "equality" stance then gay's should also be for any other types of marriage based on the same arguments.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/04/2009
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This should not be a matter for popular vote. If states had been able to vote on interracial marriage in the Civil-Rights era of the 1960's, would a popular vote to ban interracial marriage have been upheld as law? Why, oh why do we continue to put up with this piecemeal erosion of our basic rights? Why this tolerance for religious intolerance? Why not fight for a new Civil Rights law for the protection of Gay marriage rights that is nationwide?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 11/04/2009

This isn't, or shouldn't be religious but social. It's all about social stability.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 11/04/2009
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In America, the top goal is liberty, not "social stability".

But that's a moot point. Gay marriage doesn't affect social stability. Everyone who wonders about that need look no further than the state of Massachusetts where same-sex marriage has been around for a half-decade.

No social stability issues in Massachusetts. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Anyone who in the year 2009 thinks that same-sex marriage affects social stability has zero awareness of reality.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 11/04/2009
- brklynivn I'm a Fan of brklynivn 16 fans permalink

How is gay marriage socially destabilizing? Please answer.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 11/04/2009

Common sense has prevailed again! My faith in the American people is confirmed. The average American can see how important it is for everybody -- or as many as possible -- to have a normal upbringing. Now let's stop all this nonsense about deviations from the norm of fathers and mothers and start moving back toward full-throttle enthusiasm for real marriage with zero tolerance for any special support for the alternatives!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 11/04/2009
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National Organization for Marriage when we get your donor list EVERY BUSINESS will face a harsher BOYCOTT than H8 supporters­......BANK ON IT.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 11/04/2009
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Money talks, and common decency and justice don't seem to have much weight in the USA.

Let the boycott SCREAM silence in some bank deposits.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 AM on 11/04/2009
- arlandbaee I'm a Fan of arlandbaee 32 fans permalink

People vote against civil liberties, they judge, discard and dismiss so many people, and do it with pride and conviction and teach their children to do the same.

Yet, they wonder why their own children would put them into a nursing home when they get old. They wonder why their own children don't call, write or visit more often. Compassion is choice. Anyyone who acts without compassion should not be shocked when they receive the same in return.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 11/03/2009

Voting No on 1 made me proud, and seeing so many others in support of maintaining equality in our state also made me proud.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 11/03/2009
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You should be. You guys are doing good up there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 11/03/2009
- boyoboy I'm a Fan of boyoboy 12 fans permalink

I wonder if there would be more support for same-sex marriage if there had been an exemption for religious organizations in the language. There is a strong Catholic presence in the NE, and I just see some conflict there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 11/03/2009
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 39 fans permalink
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Considering what's going on in WA with Referendum 71, I'd say no. This isn't about the word "marriage", tax exemptions, etc. This is about religious conservatives wanting to be able to continue dehumanizing gay people and not be called on it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/03/2009
- boyoboy I'm a Fan of boyoboy 12 fans permalink

I don't understand how we can put civil rights to a popular vote.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/03/2009
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Jezz, can I vote on your marriage too?

To the marriage police and sexually phobic, please find something else to do with your time, because life's just to short. Find love.

Cheers, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA.

And congrats to all the couples who came to CT to wed this summer from all across the country!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 11/03/2009
- joeyfoto I'm a Fan of joeyfoto 50 fans permalink
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Today's the big day for the people of Maine to avoid the shame of succumbing to the lies of well-funded bigots. This is the voter's chance to stand up for human rights. Bonne chance... and as ;they used to say in Chicago: "VOTE EARLY; VOTE OFTEN."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 11/03/2009
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Maine residents,
Imagine 9% of every major city in America celebrating No on 1 winning tonight.
Lobster would make a tasty victory dinner. Win or lose our volunteers have worked their hearts out, and I'm proud of their campaign, and there are no regrets that we didn't give this race our ALL.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 11/03/2009
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I'm, hoping for a win. After Prop H8, I almost broke my arm fighting my house. I don't have healthcare, my body can't take it again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 11/03/2009
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Change in the menu
We'll be buying Washington State salmon

your loss Maine, and all the weddings we would have held in your state, now will benefit MA,, VT,CT, and IA.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 11/04/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than J3sus Christ, or God, or All4h, or whatever one calls this supreme being.But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growingthroughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on aparticular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to bea moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C," and "D." Just who dothey think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 AM on 11/03/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 70 fans permalink

Hi!
Well as a gay man I do hope that Maine votes for me to be a citizen. You know, it is really awful when people have to vote for your equality. I was born here and my family came to this country in1638. Very early, but I am somehow not an American because I am Gay? I have had it with all the hate and, frankly, I think any person would say the same. I am a good person, and I greatly resent that because of who I was born makes me a not a citizen of the America that I love. Who decided that?
I love my country. I do! Why am I outside of civil rights? Why one benefits for one group and not another? What did I do?
Just by being gay should not mean that my rights as an American should be voided.
Who decided that? No! I will never be considered as some thing, not human.
My parents love me; I have been in a relationship for 25 years. I pay taxes. I contribute. It is unacceptable that I should be discriminated by law, and I know it is wrong.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 11/03/2009
- Cambridge9 I'm a Fan of Cambridge9 76 fans permalink
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Hi Philip!

NO ONE can make you less than YOU believe you are!

"Life, liberty and the persuit of happiness" still has not been perfected and it will still take time and effort on the part of all of us who actually believe it should mean what it says.

I don't know if you are religious (I'm not) but in my mind that is where the problem begins. We (and I have to include myself - an old hetero white woman) still have a lot of work to do - and I hope it won't be long before we can truly believe 'that ALL men/women are created EQUAL.

PEACE AND HAPPINESS!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 11/03/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 70 fans permalink

What a great comment!
:)
Fanned!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/03/2009
- joeyfoto I'm a Fan of joeyfoto 50 fans permalink
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The voters of Maine decide nothing but whether or not to put a stain on the citizens of Maine.

The voters of Maine have the power to decide no more than Dred Scott decided slavery or Plessy v. Ferguson decided separate but equal. The denial of equal rights in never decided until the plaintiffs triumph or die. The cause of equal rights is America's cause; eventually the spirit of America will decide. If America is still America, "equality" means ALL are equal under the law.

While we wait for Maine's decision, we await the day that the stain Prop. 8 put on California will be washed away.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 11/03/2009
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conservatives who "protect gay marriage" are NOT protecting our rights, are not keeping church and state separate, and are just flat out scared.

go maine - my wife and i support you and wish you and our country the best!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 11/02/2009
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