Afghan War Vets Patrol Halls Of Congress To Stop Troop Escalation

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First Posted: 11- 2-09 02:11 PM   |   Updated: 11- 2-09 07:10 PM

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A little more than two months ago, Brock McIntosh was fighting in Afghanistan, a member of the Army National Guard. This week, he's walking the halls of Congress, trying to end a war that began when he was 13 years old.

McIntosh, now 21, and four other vets are in Washington for something of a preemptive strike. A new pro-war group calling itself Vets For Freedom plans to begin lobbying Congress Thursday, pushing for an escalation. The anti-war vets hope to head them off.

But if their erstwhile comrades and now political opponents are "for freedom," that raises an unusual question. "What does that make us?" mocks Devon Read, 29, served for eight years and took part in the invasion of Iraq before leaving the Marine Corps in 2008. "Vets Against Freedom? Vets For Terrorism?"

Technically, they're with Veterans For Rethinking Afghanistan, having linked up with Brave New Films president Robert Greenwald, whose documentary project "Rethink Afghanistan" urges a drawdown of the American presence in that country.

As the vets wait outside the office of Rep. Raúl Grijalva, a Democrat who co-chairs the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Jake Diliberto, 27, recounts tales from the first skirmish with Vets For Freedom earlier in the morning.

Diliberto went mano a mano on CNN with VFF rep Thomas Cotton. Cotton had a simple appeal to authority: He's for whatever General Stanley McChrystal wants -- and that's more troops.

Before they went on, says Diliberto, he could hear his opponent prepping himself. "He kept repeating, 'General Stanley McChrystal. General Stanley McChrystal. General Stanley McChrystal.' "

Backers of escalating the eight-year-old war present a variety of complex arguments, but at their heart is Cotton's mantra: "General Stanley McChrystal. General Stanley McChrystal. General Stanley McChrystal."

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The troops were joined in Grijalva's office by Malalai Joya, an Afghan member of parliament who has been suspended for speaking out against the warlords who run the country. She is appealing her suspension and, in the meantime, promoting her new book, "A Woman Among Warlords." Joya, too, has a simple message: Go home, USA.

"It's much easier to fight against one enemy than two," Malalai Joya tells Grijalva, identifying the two current enemies as the Taliban on the one hand and the United States and the Afghan government it props up on the other.

The Afghan government, she says, is hopelessly corrupt; President Hamid Karzai is in league with powerful warlords and druglords, some of whom are his close relatives. His top opponent, Abdullah Abdullah, is himself a well-known warlord, she says. The election process is controlled by warlords for their benefit. The farce that was the previous election will not lead to a run-off because Abdullah doesn't believe it will be fair.

"It's not important who's voting. It's important who's counting," says Joya, adding that the canceled election matters little since both candidates are representatives of the warlord class. "They both call the Taliban brother."

Both President Obama and General McChrystal have said that the U.S. effort in Afghanistan cannot succeed without a governing partner that is seen as legitimate by the Afghan people. That's a tremendous problem for proponents of a troop escalation, since Karzai is seen as anything but that.

The problem for the war's opponents, however, is that it's hard to comprehend just how corrupt the Karzai regime is. Seeing it first hand persuaded the troops.

"The Taliban isn't their enemy," says Rick Reyes, who served with the Marine Infantry in Afghanistan. "The greatest enemy of the Afghan people is the Afghan government and the occupation forces."

McIntosh, who takes some time to get over his nerves in the congressman's office, tells Grijalva that the Afghan people appreciate the occupation army most for the medical services it provides. Afghan doctors, he says, were poorly trained, because the Taliban banned pictures in text books. The health care makes them dependent, he says, when what they need is training.

"They can do it on their own," he says. "They're fully capable human beings."

Grijalva nods, acknowledging the wisdom from the young man who just recently got the legal right to drink.

The kind of training Afghans don't need, the Marines say, is military. We've been training young men to fight in Afghanistan for decades, they note, and look where it's gotten us. An overwhelming number of men trained by the U.S. go on to fight for the Taliban instead, which was itself originally trained by the U.S., notes Reyes. "So if we train 400,000 soldiers and 200,000 go fight for the Taliban, what have we gained?"

"We don't expect anything good from you," Joya tells Grijalva. "Just stop doing wrong." As she brandishes photos of dead civilians, known warlords, and evidence of Karzai's corruption, her voice gradually rises. With a finger pointed squarely at the progressive congressman, she repeatedly indicts the occupation and those who allow it to continue.

"This is what your government has done," she fumes. "Silence of good people is worse than action of bad people."

Witnessing her rough treatment of Grivala, who agrees with her, it isn't hard to see how she has found herself out of favor among the warlords.

After the meeting, Grijalva says that Joya helped alter his perspective. "Sometimes in our urge to fix things, we just pile money on top of a [friendly] government," he says. But Joya had convinced him, he says, that the U.S. is "funding fundamentally the people who are unraveling the country."

Outside in the hall, the vets assess the meeting. "I don't think he needed a whole lot of convincing," offers Diliberto. Next up: Reps. John Tierney (D-Mass.), Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Barbara Lee (D-Calif.). "But we're not just meeting with progressives," assures Leighton Woodhouse, a Brave New Films aide escorting the men. Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-Calif.), Adam Smith (D-Wash.), David Price (D-N.C.), Tim Johnson (R-Ill.) and Sylvestre Reyes (D-Texas) were also scheduled to receive the veterans.

One member had previously offered a "walk and talk" with the vets, but had since demoted them to a sit down meeting with the chief of staff.

He might not get off that easy. The vets are neither your typical lobbyist nor your standard anti-war protesters. Diliberto suggested they deal with that congressman in a way that would convey the gravity of their message.

"We should just go to his door," he suggests, 'and say, 'Look, motherfucker.'"

Diliberto will be on Larry King Live tonight on CNN, debating General Wesley Clark and one of the Vets for Freedom. Below, McIntosh and Reyes, who was tweeting from the halls Congress, talk about their experiences in the war. WATCH:

A little more than two months ago, Brock McIntosh was fighting in Afghanistan, a member of the Army National Guard. This week, he's walking the halls of Congress, trying to end a war that began when h...
A little more than two months ago, Brock McIntosh was fighting in Afghanistan, a member of the Army National Guard. This week, he's walking the halls of Congress, trying to end a war that began when h...
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They better be passing out stacks of hundred dollar bills. That's all American politicians respond to.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/03/2009
- Gover I'm a Fan of Gover 44 fans permalink

Mine takes PayPal...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 11/03/2009
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Afghanistan: Too Big to Fail?
Why All of Obama's Afghan Options Are Bad Ones
By Tom Engelhardt

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091116/engelhardt

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 11/03/2009
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Obama said that repeatedly during the campaign, there are not good options with regards to Afganistan and Iraq.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/03/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 82 fans permalink
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Yes. Without a clear plan of destruction of the Taliban and Alqaqa, we have no reason to be there...NONE.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 11/03/2009
- MakeAWish I'm a Fan of MakeAWish 20 fans permalink

War is the new jobs, education and health care plan all rolled into one. For a lot of our children, sadly, this is it.

This is their future. Go kill or be killed to make money for the war profiteers sponsored and paid for by your government.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 11/03/2009
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Rasmussen:
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War on Terror Update

Confidence in U.S. War on Terror Tumbles To Lowest Level In Nearly Three Years
Monday, November 02, 2009

Voter confidence in America’s conduct of the War on Terror has fallen to its lowest level since the first week of January in 2007. Voters are also much less optimistic about the course of the war in Iraq.

New Rasmussen Reports national telephone polling finds that just 34% of voters say the United States and its allies are winning the War on Terror. That’s down nine points from a month ago and 21 points from when Barack Obama first took office.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) believe terrorists are winning that war, and 31% say neither side is ahead. ...


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/war_on_terror_update

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 11/03/2009
- doublels I'm a Fan of doublels 22 fans permalink

These men are so brave & I certainly commend them. I'm sure a lot of what they say will fall on many deaf ears but perhaps a spark will be lit. I'm also astounded by the bravery of Malalai Joya for standing up to the warlords in her country. I can't help but think that she will be assasinated for that bravery. She certainly has some heavy duty insight into what's going on in Afghanistan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 11/03/2009
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Wow, what brave men. I am proud of them for speaking out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/03/2009
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What beautiful, thoughtful and intelligent young men. I fear for them. I hope they are out of the armed services at this time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 11/03/2009
- cgoodie I'm a Fan of cgoodie 10 fans permalink

They need to hook up with Hoh. He has the media's ear.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 11/03/2009
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Rick Reyes and Jake Diliberto rock!!!
and of course 'el hefe' Devon......
I am so proud of these young men, and to say that I know them
is just quite the HONOR!

Oceanside, California
MFSO & SD VFP

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 11/03/2009
- Clem2 I'm a Fan of Clem2 9 fans permalink

Good for them!!!
I wish more people would go to Washington and make their views felt..... like the majority of us who want single payer!!!

The Teabaggers went.... why can't those wanting a simple, single payer system?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 11/03/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
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Bless these Vets for speaking out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/03/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 60 fans permalink

I second that . . . good for them . . they know the real situation . . not the politicians

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 11/03/2009
- rgilley I'm a Fan of rgilley 2 fans permalink

They do know the real situation, so why will they be ignored by Obama admin.? What has Obama done that Bush would not have done? What has he changed? The same people running the wars and wall street are still running them! We've been duped again!! Viva Revolution!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 11/03/2009
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Vets for freedom?

why don't you sign up for another tour?

Dig deep enough and we'll find some monetary link to the military industrial complex that is bankrupting America.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 11/03/2009
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Seems to parallel Vietnam. Who are the Viet Cong? Who are the terrorists? And Vietnam turned out so well didn't it? Anyone agree? If we are a Christian nation founded on Christian ideals, as some say, is it not our moral duty to end this war? Iraq as well.

You're G-damn right it is!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 11/03/2009
- cgoodie I'm a Fan of cgoodie 10 fans permalink

Being "Christian" has nothing to do with anything. History is filled with killing in the name of God. It is more simply a matter of war for war's sake. As General Patton said "This war is hell but it's the only one I've got".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 11/03/2009
- KindOne I'm a Fan of KindOne 12 fans permalink

Sorry but you are wrong.

This war was started on a 'christian' military goal expressed repeatedly by top brass including the former president with both words and deeds. In the case of this war, 'christian' does have something to do with it.

Sorry, but that is a documented fact. Check the record.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 11/04/2009
- doublels I'm a Fan of doublels 22 fans permalink

I completly agree with your assessment of Viet Nam, but not in the name of being a ''Christian nation''. The so called ''christians'' driving the right are completely behind their leaders who want the war. Let's end this in the simple thought of ''do what's right'' and ''do what makes sense based on fact''. Thanks for your impassioned comment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 11/03/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 27 fans permalink
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These are the people Congress should be listening to. Someone close to me just got slapped with a what is best called double-deployment served back to back. He went from Iraq straight to Afghanistan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 11/03/2009
- ChelseaC I'm a Fan of ChelseaC 147 fans permalink
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blutigeroo,
I hope your friend will return home safe and sound.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 11/03/2009
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...they have to beef up Kabul ahead of the oil & gas lease contract signing 'on or before February 5, 2010', or as Hi||ary puts it, 'Can't we just move forward to the victory speech?"

http://afghanistanpetroleum.com

NOT ONE WORD in the US:UK media or from our so-called leaders about these secret deals.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 11/03/2009
- cgoodie I'm a Fan of cgoodie 10 fans permalink

Wow! Had no idea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 11/03/2009
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