Crucifix Banned From Italy's Schools By New EU Court Ruling

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ALESSANDRA RIZZO | 11/ 3/09 02:43 PM | AP

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ROME — The Vatican on Tuesday denounced a ruling by the European court of human rights that said the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and education freedoms.

In a decision that could force a review of the use of religious symbols in government-run schools across Europe, the court ordered Italy to pay a euro5,000 ($7,390) fine to a mother in northern Italy who fought for eight years to have crucifixes removed from her children's public school classrooms. The Italian government said it would appeal.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said the crucifix was a fundamental sign of the importance of religious values in Italian history and culture and was a symbol of unity and welcoming for all of humanity – not one of exclusion.

He said a European court had no right intervening in such a profoundly Italian matter and said "it seems as if the court wanted to ignore the role of Christianity in forming Europe's identity, which was and remains essential."

"Religion gives a precious contribution to the formation and moral growth of people, and it's an essential component in our civilization," he said in a statement. "It's wrong and myopic to try to exclude it from education."

Crucifixes are common in Italian public schools as well as courtrooms. Occasionally, legal cases arise; in one well-known case, a Muslim activist filed suit challenging the legality of the crucifixes in his son's elementary school in Ofena, about 145 kilometers (90 miles) east of Rome.

Though he eventually lost, the case was an early shot in what has become a battle in Europe about whether there should be any religious symbols at all in European classrooms and other public places. More recently in Italy, a judge who refused to hold hearings because there were crufixes in his courtroom was ordered to stand trial for having failed to perform his official duties.

The Strasbourg-based court said the crucifix could be disturbing to non-Christian or atheist pupils, rejecting arguments by Italy's government that it was a national symbol of culture, history, identity, tolerance and secularism.

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The court said secular, state-run schools must "observe confessional neutrality in the context of public education," where attendance is compulsory.

But while it fined the government, the seven-judge panel stopped short of ordering Italy to remove the crucifixes, which are common in Italian public schools. The ruling can still be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights' Grand Chamber of 17 judges, whose decisions are binding.

The case was brought by Soile Lautsi, a mother of two who claimed public schools in her northern Italian town refused eight years ago to remove the Roman Catholic symbols from classrooms. She had maintained that the crucifix violates the secular principles the public schools are supposed to uphold, and the right to offer her children a secular education.

She filed her case with the European Court of Human Rights in July 2006, after Italy's Constitutional Court dismissed her complaint. Her efforts to rid public schools of religious symbols in a country that is predominantly Roman Catholic had not been welcomed.

Lautsi, who is of Finnish origins, and her husband, Massimo Albertin, said they were satisfied.

"We believe the ruling is a positive signal from Europe to Italy, which seems to increasingly lose its secularism," Albertin was quoted as saying by the ANSA news agency from his home in Albano Terme. "The crucifix creates discrimination."

Still, the government maintained the crucifix is a symbol of Italian and European history and tradition.

"In our country nobody wants to impose the Catholic religion, let alone with a crucifix," Education Minister Mariastella Gelmini said. But she added that "it is not by eliminating the traditions of individual countries that a united Europe is built."

In its ruling, the court said the presence of the crucifix "could easily be interpreted by pupils of all ages as a religious sign and they would feel that they were being educated in a school environment bearing the stamp of a given religion." It added that the presence of such symbols could be "disturbing for pupils who practiced other religions or were atheists."

Italian bishops said they were perplexed by the decision.

"The multiple significance of the crucifix, which is not just a religious symbol but a cultural sign, has been either ignored or overlooked," the Italian Bishop's Conference said in a statement.

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Associated Press Writer Constant Brand in Brussels contributed to this report.

ROME — The Vatican on Tuesday denounced a ruling by the European court of human rights that said the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and education freedoms. I...
ROME — The Vatican on Tuesday denounced a ruling by the European court of human rights that said the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools violates religious and education freedoms. I...
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- elau I'm a Fan of elau permalink

so in Italy, if the cross comes down from the walls the churches, there is one almost in every corner, villages are built around a church, need to be covered, calendars need to stop printing the name of the Saints for every day of the week, all religious festivities ( there are quite a bit in Italy) should be banned, Italians should stop giving their children Catholic names like Rita, Pietro, Paolo, Maria, and museums would have to take down centuries of art and culture that was built and evolved around christian values and influence.

The cross has become a symbol, not necessarily religious....it is the symbol of a culture and its values, the values it was built upon....if you get rid of a symbol that is so deeply embedded in the common consciousness of a country then you need to replace with something else...it would leave a void.

The cross is a symbol of self sacrifice for a higher cause, of the pain inherent the human condition.

So, what should be do to be so correct? come up with the Holiday Menorah? so that nobody is offended by Chanuka and its symbol? all symbols need to be respected.­..includin­g the cross.

Don't throw the baby with the bath water.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 11/14/2009
- Happyexpat I'm a Fan of Happyexpat 36 fans permalink
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"In our country nobody wants to impose the Catholic religion, let alone with a crucifix," Education Minister Mariastella Gelmini said

Absolutely, completely and utterly false. The waiting list for qualified teachers in subjects such as math, history, languages, literature, science etc is interminable. There are thousands of unemployed qualified teachers. However....IF one of those teachers agrees to enter the school system as a religion (ie, Catholicism) teacher for 2 years, then they can bypass the waiting list and teach their chosen subject.

Religion is taught for at least one hour a week in all Italian public schools. A parent has the right to insist that his or her child not participate, but this necessitates having a qualified person to supervise said children (and a free classroom where they can sit out the hour) at the expense of tax payers.

Many parents come to take their children out of school for that hour, necessitating their need to leave work, travel to the school and then home, or to pay someone to do the same.

BTW, Gelmini is one of Berlusconi's "women."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 11/05/2009
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Even when I was a Christian teaching school, I did not agree with the influence of Christianity in school. There are so many types of Christianity that I didn't want some fundamentalist idiot teacher influencing the kids. It surprises me that Christians can't figure this out, not to mention that OTHER religions exist.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 11/12/2009
- kwinter I'm a Fan of kwinter 59 fans permalink
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If the Jebus story was purported to have happened in 20th century America ... would people be wearing little charms that look like mini electric chairs around their necks? And would churches have depictions of a frying Jebus plastered everywhere?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 11/05/2009
- MarilynBB I'm a Fan of MarilynBB 7 fans permalink
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To me a crucifix is a symbol of torture and humiliation and having it hanging in all it's gory depictions is not a symbol of love and acceptance but one of support for suffering. I have seen many images in museums, art galleries, churches, public squares etc. and wonder at the mentality of those who expect to give a message anything like the myths of Christ that they say it is supposed to portray to people in general.

As a recovered Roman Catholic it is shameful how the male dominance and acceptance of suffering is meant to be a positive force in shaping the world - but then I do come from basically a kind heart. Baptising for "original sin" is another negative part of the RC belief system but then that's another topic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 11/05/2009
- CJWebber I'm a Fan of CJWebber 22 fans permalink

I couldn't agree more. Well said.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 11/07/2009
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.......and really, how is a kid supposed to hear about THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, and if you don't behave AND love him, you'll go to hell. Love Jesus or go to hell.........pretty scary proposition. I am a recovering Christian.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 11/12/2009
- chedet I'm a Fan of chedet 27 fans permalink
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"Italy's government that it was a national symbol of culture, history, identity, tolerance and secularism."

Somebody explain to me how a crucifix can be a symbol of secularism and tolerance?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 11/04/2009

In a Bush/Orwell world.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 11/04/2009
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Neal: To me that is not a dream, that it is a Nightmare!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/04/2009
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A few years from now:
"Crucifix Banned from US Schools By New Supreme Court Ruling".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/03/2009
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It's a beautiful dream, but it might take a bit longer than that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 11/04/2009

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