29 Overdraft Fees In 27 Days: Birthday Spoiled By Bank Statement

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First Posted: 11- 4-09 10:39 AM   |   Updated: 11- 4-09 03:29 PM

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A portion of Miller's statement

Matthew Miller of San Pedro, Calif. spent $2,395 from his checking account during the month of October. He deposited $3,445 on top of a starting balance of $394. His ending balance: two bucks in the red.

Where did the rest of his money go?

To Chase Bank, in the form of overdraft charges, non-sufficient funds charges and other fees totaling $1,446. Miller said he called Chase repeatedly to try to figure out where he went wrong.

"Nobody can tell me what they're for," Miller said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "All they can tell me is, 'Yeah, it's wiping out your bank account.'"

Clearly, Miller's mistake was to use a debit card without much cash in his checking account. But it's impossible to tell from the statement exactly what he did wrong.

For instance, the statement shows that on Oct. 5, he made a $400 deposit at an ATM that brought his balance to $421. It was immediately clobbered with seven straight non-sufficient funds charges for $33 each that brought it down to $190. (Chase said in a recent statement that it doesn't charge more than six overdrafts a day.)

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Ed Mierzwinski, program director for consumer advocacy group U.S. PIRG, reviewed Miller's statement and called the fee situation "one of the worst I have ever seen."

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"On Oct. 5 you can see that they post his balance as if he appears to have a full $421.97 after that $400 transfer," Mierzwinski wrote. "But, they then take all the micro-transactions out first, against the $21.97, not the $421.97, causing a ripple of NSF charges... Basically, at the end of the day, they re-order the transactions to maximize the fees."

Similar batches of fees popped up on the 8th, 14th, and 19th.

On the day Miller deposited that $400, he used his debit card for a $16 set of boxing wraps from the gym, a $23 meal, a $6 smoothie, and a $4 download from iTunes. Did those purchases cost him $231?

Chase spokesman Tom Kelly declined to comment on an individual customer, but he said Chase wouldn't do things that way. He explained that NSF charges -- which Kelly said apply when the bank refuses to cover a payment -- post one business day after a transaction is rejected.

So what were the seven payments Chase rejected from Oct. 2, the previous business day? The statement doesn't say, and Miller has no idea. He said that over the course of the month, Chase apparently refused to honor the monthly phone bill, computer payment, credit card payment, and gym dues -- but those should amount to only a handful of NSF charges for the month, not two dozen. And if the statement is to be believed, Chase honored no fewer than a dozen transactions for more than what was in the account.

Chase's policy on posting order contradicts Mierzwinski's interpretation of what happened:

Generally, deposits will be credited to your account first and then we'll pay your items (e.g. checks, debit card transactions, ATM transactions and other debits to your account) from highest to lowest dollar amount each business day. Certain transactions such as wire transfers may post before others.

But Miller's statement appears to contradict that policy: his deposits are credited before debits only half the time. And as for the difference between overdraft charges and NSF charges, not even the statement can keep them straight -- the end of the document lists all 29 overdraft and NSF penalties as overdraft fees.

All this confusion could be attributable to the fact that Miller started his account with Washington Mutual. He became a Chase customer after Chase took over WaMu, the largest bank failure in U.S. history, last fall. Kelly said that Chase phased out the old WaMu computer system for California customers last week, and that proper Chase billing statements are more detailed. So maybe Miller's next statement will make some sense.

Chase and Bank of America both announced changes to their overdraft policies under threat of a congressional crackdown. The Chase policy, which will go into effect next year, will require customers to opt-in, will modify posting order "to recognize debit-card transactions and ATM withdrawals as they occur," and will limit overdraft fees to no more than three per day.

What makes Miller sad is that today is his 36th birthday.

"Your birthday is a time of evaluation," he said.

(He wrote in an email that he'd celebrate with a can of beans and a Twinkie; pressed about this, he said he'd go out to dinner with his mother and daughter.)

Here's Ed Mierzwinski's advice for consumers: Don't use a debit card at all, but if you do, always imagine that you have $100 less than your balance says you have.

Matthew Miller of San Pedro, Calif. spent $2,395 from his checking account during the month of October. He deposited $3,445 on top of a starting balance of $394. His ending balance: two bucks in the r...
Matthew Miller of San Pedro, Calif. spent $2,395 from his checking account during the month of October. He deposited $3,445 on top of a starting balance of $394. His ending balance: two bucks in the r...
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- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 136 fans permalink
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I told you so.

"Overdraft Fees Require Customer Consent, Says The Federal Reserve"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/overdraft-fees-require-cu_n_355442.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/13/2009
- TaurusRose I'm a Fan of TaurusRose 3 fans permalink
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It doesn't take long to figure out not to use DEBIT CARDS,

When i got mine, i was very excited, feeling i could go to cash payments from my checking account instead of CREDIT CARDS. About my thirdn catalog transaction, I was double dipped. It happened twice and sent me into overdraft. The bank refused to awknowledge the insult and fraud of charging twice, and would not correct it, saying the merchant must do that, not the customer or the bank.

What happened is this: when you buy over the internet OR through a catalogue, the merchant hits the amount to 'reserve' the payment prior to shipping.
THEN the merchant hits the amount again and 'for real' when they do ship. The reserve amount does not go off for a full three days AFTER the day the order is placed, even when it is shipped and paid for a second time.

Taught me to NEVER use a debit card. I only use it for ATM. I des.pise them all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 11/12/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 136 fans permalink
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Close your account, take your business to a credit union, and then file suit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 11/06/2009

Find a different bank. I love my bank. It is a small privately owned state bank. I also love my credit union.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 11/06/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

Overdraft protection, if you can qualify.
Then an overdraft automatically creates a loan ($300 in my case) instead of a $33 fee. There's the interest on the loan, but that's a lot less then overdraft fees, and the worry over possible overdrafts is gone.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 11/06/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 136 fans permalink
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That's stupid. We should at least have the option to refuse any overdrafts. Let the bank refuse to pay if we have no funds. The fees for overdrafts are just used to abuse customers who can't afford thousands for a lawyer over hundreds in fraudulent banking fees.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 11/06/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

Well, no, it's not stupid. It's a way to avoid overdraft fees.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 11/08/2009
- Wallysmom I'm a Fan of Wallysmom 77 fans permalink
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I have a fabulous bank, FINALLY, after going through this same nonsense with BofA and a Northeastern Bank (here in CT). Often there was no rhyme or reason for the order in which they cleared Debit or checking transactions. Sometimes the largest, sometimes the smallest. But they know, if they allow the 10 tiny charges to go through, they only get a fee on the one big charge left you have no funds for. This way, they get 10 tiny little overdrafts if they allow the one big transactio­n....crumm­y business. Good advice about thinking you have $100 less. Very good advice. Also my fabulous bank now will not put through ANY debit OR Master Money charge transaction if there is no money available. Some banks will allow the VISA or MasterCharge transactions to go through regardless if you have the money or not.
Deal with only ATM DEBIT charges THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY TAKEN OUT OF YOUR ACCOUNT or cash.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 11/05/2009

Goldman and Bank of America run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.
http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 11/05/2009
- mogens I'm a Fan of mogens 18 fans permalink

It seems to me that many of you lives from one payday to the next. many people I know here has at least a months pay in reserve.
Many people make a budget account, where your normal expenses like rent, mortgage, telephone, electricity, insurances ect. are calculated on a yearly basis: Then the bank sets 1/12 of that sum on your budget account every month and then pays your bills. Sometimes there are a little surplus and sometimes a little deficit but at the end of the year it normally balances.
The bank is more that willing to make those kind of accounts. they are not interrested in their costumers to go broke.
Once a year you see if the amount of money is sufficient and raise or lowers your monthly payment.
By the way; all income on your account must be available to you in less than 24 hours after the bank has recieved them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/05/2009
- meemu I'm a Fan of meemu 2 fans permalink

Yes, most people who are earning a minimum wage tend to live from payday-payday, lol.

Perhaps you have never experienced personally, living on the minimum wage in this country? I have, as a single parent with 2 kids. Mostly I only used the bank to cash my tiny checks, from both my jobs, I certainly never had any to let the bank' hold on to for me'! I was an extremely frugal spender and once a month I took my boys to a burger place as a 'treat' if I could afford it. They slept in the car while I worked at my night-time janitorial job because I couldn't pay a baby-sitter. I am glad to see some hope of putting a stop to this kind of abuse, in all facets of life, for people who don't have any advantages struggling to live in this society! More, please!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 11/05/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 136 fans permalink
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"By the way; all income on your account must be available to you in less than 24 hours after the bank has recieved them."

In what country do you live? Your name looks Dutch, and your description of what is required of banks in their dealings with humans also looks European.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/13/2009

I had a similar issue with Bank of America. I made a very large deposit on which an automatic hold was placed. I then spent some money, which according to my ATM statement was available. The following day I was hit with overdraft fees totaling $250. As I was currently unemployed it caused a bit of havoc. I spoke with several bank reps who couldn't help me. Frustrated I wrote a letter to BOFA's corporate office explaining my situation. To my surprise they responded, with a phone call, and reversed the fees. I didn't expect that. In fact I was dumbfounded as to why there were ready to refund me, other than my threats that the fees and holding of my deposit amounted to usurury. I also alluded to congresses recent interest in banking regulation. Maybe some banks are wising up that doing this sort of thing is not only bad press, but bad for business. My advice is that if that happens to you, write the corporate offices. The schmo's who answer the phones are too scared of losing their jobs to really help you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 11/05/2009
- jelly450 I'm a Fan of jelly450 10 fans permalink
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I bank with USAA and they are great. You can log on and instantly pending debt card transaction. They pay checks from the LOWEST to the highest, so one returned item will not create several NSF charges.
Also if debt charges are pending and you account goes red because of pending charges, they do not charge NSF fees because you haven't technically over drew your account.

I think now they are only open members of the military and their families.

My other account is with a credit union and they have some great perks as well.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 11/05/2009
- getsit I'm a Fan of getsit 20 fans permalink

Please all, don't just depend on the online banking and ATM machines to give you an accounting. Keep your own running record as though every transaction is an outstanding check. Then compare yours to the online statement and markoff them off one by one. If you can't get an honest accounting from the bank you have to keep your own. I recognize that this is old fashioned banking and takes more time but it sure beats having huge fees. Keep a slush of $100 on your account. Keep some CASH with you for the little things. Cash may be old fashioned but it is still king.

Change your account to a credit union or small local bank. This has been said over and over. The more of us that do this, the bigger hit to the corrupt banks profits.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 11/05/2009

Wamu TRUTH...

The Biggest Banking Heist in World History: Washington Mutual
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13894

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14326.html

Please read this descriptive complaint that was submitted to the SEC from Apex Venture Advisors
Mike Stathis Managing Principal on October 7, 2008 in regards to the manipulation that occurred;

http://www.avaresearch.com/files/20090930175434.pdf

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 11/05/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 136 fans permalink
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If those are legitimate, please locate the documents on sec.gov and re-post.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 11/13/2009

Wamu TRUTH...

I'm also enclosing another link that quotes Judge Hughes from a case against the FDIC that was wrapped up on August 24, 2005; http://blog.kir.com/archives/2005/08/judge_hughes_ha.asp

"The record shows that the swap was the only reason for this suit. It also shows that the FDIC knew that it had no factual or legal basis for its claims, and that its cases here and in Washington were shams."

As usual, Judge Hughes is acerbic in his opinion regarding the FDIC's conduct, noting in particular that FDIC officials "lied about it all under oath" and they "discarded the mantle of the American Republic for the cloak of a secret society of extortionists."

"It's hard to find a word that captures the essence of the FDIC's bringing this action. Irresponsible is close. Arbitrary, dishonest, exploitative, extortionate, and abusive all fit."

Judge Hughes concluded that Hurwitz and Maxxam "will recover their costs because the record reveals corrupt individuals within a corrupt agency with corrupt influences on it, bringing this litigation."

http://wamuequity.org
http://wamuqd.com
http://www.wamu-shareholders-resources.com/wamued.html
http://www.wamucoup.com
http://www.wamustory.com

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 11/05/2009

Wamu TRUTH...

Please, take some time and read these documents. They are a bit long but well worth the read. Don't you wonder why the main stream media doesn't mention the suppose "failure" of the largest financial institution in America? Wamu was a 100+ year old company.....Here is a link to all documents filed through the BK Court;

http://www.kccllc.net/wamu

Jamie Dimon planted "moles" in Wamu??? JPMorgan committed corporate fraud???

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229090501000000000002.pdf

Wamu's claims against JPMorgan/Chase;

http://wmish.com/doc/gov/0603/JPM_V_WMI_-_ANSWER.PDF

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 11/05/2009

Wamu TRUTH...

Here is another document that says as of August 14, 2008:
"We propose to decapitalize WMBfsb by returning $20 billion of capital to its parent. The $20 billion will include the master note of approximately $7 billion, proceeds from $3.5 billion of Discount Notes and cash generated through additional wholesale deposits and advances from FHLB Seattle. We propose the payment of at least $10 billion by September 30, 2008 and the remaining $10 billion through December 2009."

"The net balance sheet of WMBfsb will be approximately $34 billion to $36 billion after Project Fillmore. The leverage ratio will decrease to 25% from 62%. A well-capitalized institution requires an 8% or higher leverage ratio."

Read reference page 45 of DOCUMENT 103-1.pdf from here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3b830df9f3d0e6fce7c82ed4b8f0c380aff12395630f22f3ce018c8114394287

Enclosed is a link to the affidavit of Doreen Logan who is the Controller/ Assistant Treasurer of Wamu who states that there was no liquidity problems;

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%20Ex.%20D%20to%20Affidavit%20of%20Doreen%20Logan%20%28%201%20/07-3/08%20Account%20Statements%29%20A-46%20...&btnG=Search

Remember, WMBfsb was also taken from the holding company and sold to JMorgan/Chase with all of the other assets for only $1.88bil.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 11/05/2009
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