Saudi Arabia Bombs Yemen Rebels

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AHMED AL-HAJ and SALAH NASRAWI | 11/ 5/09 06:19 PM | AP

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SAN'A, Yemen — Saudi Arabia sent fighter jets and artillery bombardments across the border into northern Yemen Thursday in a military incursion apparently aimed at helping its troubled southern neighbor control an escalating Shiite rebellion, Arab diplomats and the rebels said.

The Saudis – owners of a sophisticated air force they rarely use – have been increasingly worried that extremism and instability in Yemen could spill over to their country, the world's largest oil exporter. The offensive came two days after the killing of a Saudi soldier, blamed on the rebels.

Yemen denied any military action by Saudi Arabia inside its borders. But Yemen's president is a key ally of the Saudis, making it highly unlikely the kingdom would have launched the offensive without tacit Yemeni agreement.

A U.S. government official said the Yemenis were not involved militarily in the fighting. The official spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The offensive immediately raised concerns of another proxy war in the Middle East between Iran and Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally. Shiite Iran is believed to favor the rebels in Yemen while Saudi Arabia, which is Sunni, is Iran's fiercest regional rival.

The same dynamic has played out in various forms in Lebanon, where Iran supports the Shiite militant Hezbollah and Saudi Arabia favors a U.S.-backed faction, and in Iraq, where Saudi Arabia and Iran have thrown support to conflicting sides in the Sunni-Shiite struggle.

A top Saudi government adviser confirmed "a large scale" military operation underway on the Saudi-Yemeni border with further reinforcements sent to the rugged, mountainous area.

"It is a sustained operation which aims to finish this problem on our border," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. He said Saudi troops were coordinating with Yemen's army, but Yemen's defense ministry denied the Saudis were inside the country.

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The northern rebels, known as Hawthis, have been battling Yemeni government forces the past few months in the latest flare-up of a sporadic five-year conflict. They claim their needs are ignored by a Yemeni government that is increasingly allied with hard-line Sunni fundamentalists, who consider Shiites heretics.

The rebels said the Saudi airstrikes hit five areas in their northern stronghold Thursday but it was not possible to independently verify the reports. They said there were dead and wounded, and that homes were destroyed. The rebels' spokesman said people were afraid to get near the areas being bombed, making it difficult to count the casualties.

"Saudi jets dropped bombs on a crowded areas including a local market in the northern province of Saada," Hawthi spokesman Mohammed Abdel-Salam told The Associated Press. "They claim they are targeting al-Hawthis, but regrettably they are killing civilians like the government does."

He said the attacks were followed by hundreds of artillery shells from the border.

"So far, three killed have been pulled out of the rubble, including a woman and a child who perished when their houses were bombed and burned down," said Abdel-Salam.

The fighting is more than 600 miles from Saudi Arabia's oil fields on the kingdom's eastern Persian Gulf coast. But northern Yemen overlooks the Red Sea, the world's busiest route for oil tankers.

Two Arab diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Saudi Tornado and F-15 warplanes had been bombarding targets inside Yemen since Wednesday afternoon, inflicting significant casualties on rebels. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to talk to the media.

They said army units and special forces also had been sent to northern Yemen, and that several Saudi towns on the border had been evacuated as a precaution.

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters he had no information about whether the conflict had spread across the border but expressed Washington's concern over the situation.

"It's our view that there can be no long-term military solution to the conflict between the Yemeni government and the Hawthi rebels," Kelly said. "We call on all parties to the conflict to make every effort to protect civilian populations and limit damage to civilian infrastructure."

The weak central government of Yemen, which has little control outside the capital San'a, is fighting on multiple fronts including the northern rebels and a separatist movement in the south. But the most worrisome is a lingering threat from al-Qaida militants.

The U.S. also fears any Yemeni fighting could spill over into Saudi Arabia and is concerned that Yemen could become a haven for al-Qaida militants hiding out in the nation, at the tip of the Arabian peninsula.

The Yemeni government openly accuses Iran of arming the Hawthis rebels, but there has been no public evidence to back those claims, said Joost Hiltermann, deputy program director of the Middle East program for the International Crisis Group think tank in London.

"I think Iran is probably pleased with what is happening, but that is not the same as saying they are supporting the Hawthis," Hiltermann said.

Simon Henderson, director of Gulf and energy policy at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy in Washington, agreed that there is no clear evidence that Iran funds the rebels. But he said there is a wide assumption that Iran favors the Hawthis and the Saudis are backing Yemen's Sunni president.

"So it is a Saudi-Iranian proxy war," he said.

Saudi Arabia, rich in oil, has one of the world's most sophisticated air forces but rarely uses it.

The bulk of its air power, with more than 350 combat aircraft, derives from squadrons of F-15s and British-supplied Tornados, according to the military and intelligence analysis group GlobalSecurity.org. The kingdom also for decades has received U.S. military assistance in the form of training.

The Saudi incursion marks the first time since the 1991 Gulf War that the country has deployed military might beyond its borders.

In that war, Saudi forces assisted the U.S. Marine Corps, providing staging grounds for airstrikes and in joint operations targeting Iraqi positions in Kuwait with artillery fire and ground offensives.

The incursion is not, however, Saudi Arabia's first involvement in internal Yemeni conflicts. During Yemen's 1962-70 civil war, sparked by a military coup that overthrew Yemen's royalist government, Saudi Arabia supported the royalists against the Egyptian-backed government.

When civil war erupted again in 1994, it was widely believed that the Saudis sided with southern secessionist rebels against the central government.

A security official told Saudi Arabia's state news agency that the soldier died when gunmen infiltrated from Yemen and attacked security guards patrolling the Mount Dokhan border area Tuesday. Rebels said that area was among the bombing targets Thursday.

The Gulf Cooperation Council, the region's main diplomatic forum, condemned what it called the "violation and infiltration" of Saudi Arabia's borders. "Saudi Arabia is capable of protecting its lands," it warned in a statement.

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Nasrawi reported from Cairo. Associated Press Writers Omar Sinan and Ben Hubbard in Cairo and Pamela Hess in Washington contributed to this report.

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OIL PRICES ARE GOING UP......so can we please get some hybrids on the road America and some solar farms built sheesh..oh yeah high speed rail so we can get the airlines out of iur pockets..and a ham samich

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 11/06/2009
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I would hope our government would get behind natural gas like some of our buses use.
We are the Saudi Arabia of Nat.Gas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 11/07/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

When I read the line that claims the President of Yemen is a close ally of Saudi Arabia, I realize the author really doesn't know the area very well. Or he is a sloppy thinker. Or has an agenda to push.

Those who know something about the ME know that

(1) in 1991 Yemen supported Saddam.
(2) Prior to the 2003 invasion, Yemen supported Saddam.
(3) After the "victory' in Iraq, Yemen gave refuge to members of Saddam's regime, including some family members. President Saleh was at the commemoration service for the "great leader" in Yemen after his execution.

In the late 1960's, Saudi actively opposed the Yemeni Govt along with the USA, Britain, and Israel providing military aid to probably the same folks the Yemenis are fighting today.

Yemen is a very poor country with more people than Saudi. Many poor Yemenis work in Saudi. The Saudis are worried that one day poor Yemenis are going to pour over the 1,500 mile border and try to get rich by taking over their country.

Saudi would like nothing better than to see a weak divided Yemen that poses no threat to them.

But Saudi needs help fighting AlQaeda - who are now using Yemen as a base for attacks on Saudi.

This is an alliance of convenience -- to be discarded when the situation is right.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 11/06/2009
- 3dtrix I'm a Fan of 3dtrix 177 fans permalink

The jet looks familiar - of local Saudi manufacture, no?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 11/06/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

Yeah, right.

El Habib Lockheed Martin Al Salaam airplane company and carpet merchant.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 11/06/2009

lol

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 11/06/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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It's not even Saudi. The Saudis have F-15s, F-16s and Tornados (European).

That's a Sukhoi SU-27.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 11/06/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

This is America how dare you bring facts into a discussion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 11/06/2009
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lmao, the huff po editors swear your avatar is a cesna 172.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 11/06/2009
- 3dtrix I'm a Fan of 3dtrix 177 fans permalink

Thanks - I meant my comment as snark, never guessing it wasn't even Saudi...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 11/06/2009

Actually the Saudi pilots were trained by the Israelis ;-}

I heard a story that in the '67 war a Lebanese pilot was in the air and the Israelis patched into the radio addressed him by his name and told him that if he ever wanted to see his wife and kids again he had to be on the ground within minutes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 11/06/2009
- Inoku I'm a Fan of Inoku 3 fans permalink

That's awesome in each and every way.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 11/06/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

Lockheed Martin would sure like to have that information since they have had pilots in KSA for decades for the primary purpose of training Saudis.

And, flying missions if Saudis need to pretend they are flying missions.

I'll bet the pilots who flew this latest mission had very western sounding names.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 11/06/2009
- Paula Ann I'm a Fan of Paula Ann 19 fans permalink

They trained in Colorado

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 11/06/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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When I was an Air Force instructor pilot (late 1980s) the Saudis and Kuwaitis trained in the United States.
I'm pretty sure they still do.

They were for the most part not very good.

Pretty much every T-38 instructor has a "Saudi student almost killed me" story or two.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 11/06/2009
- duxguts I'm a Fan of duxguts 22 fans permalink
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Everyone in the region knows that the Yemeni rebels are funded and supplied by Iran but you don't see Saudi going after them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 11/05/2009
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This is a joke right? How do expect a tiny Saudi Arabia "to go after" a huge country like that?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 11/06/2009
- xypher0725 I'm a Fan of xypher0725 11 fans permalink
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Ummmm...you are being sarcastic right ?(sorry haven't had my coffee yet). Saudi Arabia is quite a bit bigger than Iran. Less people sure, but a lot more money to go around per capita.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 11/06/2009

While the Iranian Army is huge, its Air force and Navy are not and they are woefully under equipped and since Saudi Arabia has no border with Iran a Naval/Air engagement is the most likely outcome.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/10/2009

That's a Yemeni air force jet btw, isnt there any photo's yet of the Saudi's air strikes in Yemen's territory?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 11/05/2009
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I was starting to wonder when did the Saudis trade F-15s for SU-27s. Thanks for the clarification

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 11/05/2009

Even worse, if you right-click on the photo and then view it in a new window, the caption says "Venezuela Army."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 11/05/2009
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 270 fans permalink
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Looks like they are trying to push this Religous Crusade on into Africa.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 11/05/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 21 fans permalink
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I really hope that this can be a localized thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 11/05/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 72 fans permalink
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its practice

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 11/05/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

This is a very serious issue and one that will probably be overlooked. In his book, "Sleeping with the Devil", Robert Baer talks about weapons being smuggled into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia through Yemen. It's not just that Yemen has a shiite population but so does the Kingdom. They were largely brought in to work the oil fields. The oil fields, according to Baer, are easy targets for terrorists.

The Iran / Israel conflict is largely a sideshow. The main event is going to be between the Sunni and the Shiite. Now that Saddam is gone, Saudi Arabia has lost their buffer. This could get real ugly. Which is BAD NEWS for the global economic recovery.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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If they're anything like the Saudi pilots I trained back in the 1980s I'm surprised they hit anything.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/05/2009
- RaWash I'm a Fan of RaWash 9 fans permalink

We're still not sure what they actually hit, and I'd be surprised too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/05/2009
- ray01 I'm a Fan of ray01 22 fans permalink

MajorKong

Funny post! Perhaps they used European or American sub-contractors to fly the planes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 11/05/2009
- RaWash I'm a Fan of RaWash 9 fans permalink

They do it in the Olympics, so why not the army? xD

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 11/05/2009
- duxguts I'm a Fan of duxguts 22 fans permalink
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So do the Israelis for that matter.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 11/05/2009
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What's the middle-eastern equivalent of "Barney Fife"?

I do recall from Gulf War I that the Saudi pilots were dropping runway-buster bombs from Tornado dive bombers at 50,000 feet. Perhaps they thought that God would guide the bombs to their intended targets.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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Saudi pilot candidates are chosen based on family connections rather than aptitude. Most of them come from royalty.

They were very difficult to instruct because any criticism caused them to lose face.

Their government would pay for them to get extra flights to make it through the program. We called those "embassy rides".

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 11/05/2009
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A whole nother generation, Kong,.....­........we had missile trainees at Vandenberg AFB, CA.....and the missiles are a whole lot better as well.

ps....if this had been Israel, there would be over 200 postings.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 11/05/2009
- StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 30 fans permalink
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Honestly? More like 2000

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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Silly me. I forgot.

Israel can do no wrong and any criticism of Israeli foreign policy constitutes anti-Semitism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 11/05/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

Wouldn't it be a real kick in the pants if in the end it was the Saudis, not the Israelis, who bomb Iran's nuclear facilities?

A couple of factoids about Saudi Arabia's defense budget.

12.5% GDP. World Rank #1. Israel spends 7.3% GDP.
GDP 500B, (Israel GDP 200B).

Why spend so much money when the US's 5th fleet protects you?
1. It buys politicians. You can forget AIPAC. Saudi Arabia is where the money is. Google Carlyle Group.
2. Afraid of their own Frankenstein, their own Wahabi indoctrinated people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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The Saudis have Chinese CSS-2 ballistic missiles.

They were purchased specifically for their ability to hit Iran.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 11/05/2009
- RaWash I'm a Fan of RaWash 9 fans permalink

"[H]e said there is a wide assumption that Iran favors the Hawthis and the Saudis are backing Yemen's Sunni president."

Yemen's president is a (Zaydi) Shi'ite--same as the Houthi repels--not "Sunni", so much for the so-called "experts"; not every conflict in the Middle East is about religion, for f sake.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 11/05/2009
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Is HP biased? Are they only out to make Israel and our US military look bad?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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Um, how exactly is reporting on the Saudis bombing the Yemenis making the US military look bad?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/05/2009
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It was barely given any attention at all. Don't you think if Israel went into Lebanon or Gaza with bombs it would be headlined with 24-pt font?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/05/2009
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It is not the "headline" as it would be if Israel or the US hit civilians, like the Saudis did with bombing a crowded market place.....­.........j­ust sayin'.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/05/2009
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Where are the hypocrites now that it is the Saudis bombing crowded civilian areas?
Outlandish hypocrisy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 11/05/2009
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 381 fans permalink
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What do you mean? I didn't like the Saudis even when they weren't bombing anybody.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/05/2009
- czs5056 I'm a Fan of czs5056 5 fans permalink

I don't like their bombing but gosh darn it i like their oil

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 11/05/2009
- MillinMn I'm a Fan of MillinMn 41 fans permalink
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yeah the complications

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 11/05/2009

and some more war in the middle east

and what is the cause... religion... what a surprise!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/05/2009
- RaWash I'm a Fan of RaWash 9 fans permalink

no, it's not about religion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 11/05/2009

yes, it is

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 11/05/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 112 fans permalink
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Its unlikely helpful

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 11/05/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 21 fans permalink
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Oh I am sure it has some thing to do with it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 11/05/2009
- StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 30 fans permalink
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Shock! Outrage! Massacre! Murder! War crimes!!....

Where is everybody?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 11/05/2009
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They're too busy complain about you-know-who cutting down olive trees and posting about P-nian pet store owners.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 11/05/2009

You do not care about civilian casualties, only about protecting your country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 11/06/2009
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StCuthbert

I am adamantly opposed to the civilian casualties incurred during this bombing run. Nor am I a fan of Saudi Arabia's abhorrent treatment of women & their 7th century judicial system.

We don't see as much press coverage of Saudi transgressions as we do of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Thus there is not as much protesting in the US. Doesn't make it right however.
If it makes any difference, I would rather live in Israel proper than in Saudi Arabia.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/05/2009
- Inoku I'm a Fan of Inoku 3 fans permalink

The vast majority of people on Earth would prefer living in Israel to living in Saudi Arabia.

Shockingly, democracy, free speech, and religious freedom are values people desire in a state.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 11/05/2009
- StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 30 fans permalink
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What a reasonable and accurate post. Who are you and what have you done with ray01?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 11/05/2009
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Agreed and thank God we live in the USA.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 11/05/2009

Are you feigning concern for innocent Yemenis?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 11/05/2009
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