Supreme Court To Decide If Life In Prison For Juveniles Is "Cruel And Unusual"

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MARK SHERMAN | 11/ 8/09 08:04 AM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Joe Sullivan was sent away for life for raping an elderly woman and judged incorrigible though he was only 13 at the time of the attack.

Terrance Graham, implicated in armed robberies when he was 16 and 17, was given a life sentence by a judge who told the teenager he threw his life away.

They didn't kill anyone, but they effectively were sentenced to die in prison.

Life sentences with no chance of parole are rare and harsh for juveniles tried as adults and convicted of crimes less serious than killing. Just over 100 prison inmates in the United States are serving those terms, according to data compiled by opponents of the sentences.

Now the Supreme Court is being asked to say that locking up juveniles and throwing away the key is cruel and unusual – and thus, unconstitutional. Other than in death penalty cases, the justices never before have found that a penalty crossed the cruel-and-unusual line. They will hear arguments Monday.

Graham, now 22, and Sullivan, now 33, are in Florida prisons, which hold more than 70 percent of juvenile defendants locked up for life for nonhomicide crimes. Although their lawyers deny their clients are guilty, the court will consider only whether the sentences are permitted by the Constitution.

The Supreme Court's latest look at how to punish young criminals flows directly from its 4-year-old decision to rule out the death penalty for anyone younger than 18.

In that 2005 case decided by a 5-4 vote, Justice Anthony Kennedy's majority opinion talked about "the lesser culpability of the juvenile offender."

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"From a moral standpoint it would be misguided to equate the failings of a minor with those of an adult, for a greater possibility exists that a minor's character deficiencies will be reformed," Kennedy said.

Yet Kennedy also acknowledged the possibility that for the worst crimes and the worst offenders, "the punishment of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is itself a severe sanction, in particular for a young person."

Both sides point to the same basic facts – the rare imposition of Draconian prison terms on people so young – to make their point.

The state of Florida, backed by 19 other states, argues it should retain flexibility in sentencing so that "particularly heinous acts that stop short of causing death" can be punished vigorously.

Life without parole "is appropriately rare and reserved only for the worst of the worst offenders," crime victims' groups said in court papers.

Most victims of juvenile violence also are young, the victims groups said, citing Justice Department statistics. "Softening sentences for juvenile offenders puts actual children in harm's way – innocent ones, not those who have committed violent crimes," the victims' groups said.

Opponents of such sentences said, however, that most states have in practice rejected life terms for juveniles when no one was killed. The 109 juveniles serving terms of life without parole are in Florida and seven other states – California, Delaware, Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska and South Carolina – according to a Florida State University study. More than 2,000 other juveniles are serving life without parole for killing someone.

Only 9 people in the country are serving life sentences for crimes committed when they were 13. The number rises to 73 when 14-year-olds are added in.

No other country allows life sentences for young offenders, opponents say.

Beyond the infrequency of such punishment, lawyers for Graham and Sullivan argue that it is a bad idea to render a final judgment about people so young.

"They are unfinished products, works-in-progress," said Bryan Stevenson, who will argue Sullivan's case at the high court.

Actor Charles Dutton, former U.S. Sen. Alan Simpson and others who committed crimes as teenagers have weighed in against life without parole sentences. Corrections officials, psychologists, educators and even some victims also have taken Graham's and Sullivan's side.

"The crimes that these guys committed were grotesque," Simpson said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "I'm sure people will say Simpson's gone soft in the head."

The Wyoming Republican served 18 years in the Senate, but as a teenager, he pleaded guilty to setting fire to an abandoned building on federal property and later spent a night in jail for slugging a police officer.

Simpson said he sees no good argument for refusing even to review their sentences after the passage of time.

"When they get to be 30 or 40 and they been in the clink for 20 years or 30 or 40 and they have learned how to read and how to do things, why not?"

If a prisoner shows he is not fit to be released, "throw him back in," he said. "That's better than saying 'Sorry, we can't look at that file because you were sent here for life.'"

As their cases come to the court, Sullivan's and Graham's interests are not strictly aligned. The justices could, for example, decide that life sentences may be inappropriate for 13-year-olds, but allow them for older teenagers.

Such a decision could help Sullivan and another Florida inmate, Ian Manuel, who wounded a woman in a shooting when he was 13. But it could leave Graham with his sentence unchanged.

The cases are Sullivan v. Florida, 08-7621, and Graham v. Florida, 08-7412.

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Filings in Sullivan case: http://tinyurl.com/yhkcgzw

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WASHINGTON — Joe Sullivan was sent away for life for raping an elderly woman and judged incorrigible though he was only 13 at the time of the attack. Terrance Graham, implicated in armed robber...
WASHINGTON — Joe Sullivan was sent away for life for raping an elderly woman and judged incorrigible though he was only 13 at the time of the attack. Terrance Graham, implicated in armed robber...
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- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 84 fans permalink

I recommend reading the briefs on these cases.

They young prisoners have a very good case based simply on the fact of the uniqueness of their sentence in the US. One state alone, or a small minority of states, can't have this severe punishment if it's been rejected by all the others, that in and of itself makes it cruel and unusual. Florida is the ONLY state in the union putting away kids this young for life.
I think they'll win this case.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 11/08/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 84 fans permalink

"Graham, now 22, and Sullivan, now 33, are in Florida prisons, which hold more than 70 percent of juvenile defendants locked up for life for nonhomicide crimes."

So we are the only nation on earth that does this to children, and 70% of it is happening in this one state? What is going on down there?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 11/08/2009
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 68 fans permalink
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Hardly. Lock them up and throw away the key. "Cruel and unusual punishment" should be the term applied to the victims of these monsters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 11/08/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 186 fans permalink

I admit that it seems harsh. However, speak with mental health professionals and they will tell you that if an individual has not developed a conscience by that age, they never will. Someone sixteen years old isn't old enough to make great decisions about a lot of things, but if they have no respect for human life or no conscience, then they will be a serious and ongoing threat to others as long as they walk the streets.

We have one hundred who were juveniles sentenced to life, but each of those need to be evaluated and see if they meet that criteria. As a society, we tend to try to explain away true evil as existing, but it does. Look at the serial murderer in Ohio. There is no way that he should ever have walked the streets again after his rape and attempted murder, but they put him back out on the streets in a few years. Some offenders just should never walk free again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 11/08/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 84 fans permalink

Kids have no voice in this world. Bless the people who are standing up for these young prisoners. They are the lost, the forgotten among us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/08/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 84 fans permalink

State where I would never, ever consider living or raising children: Florida.

Don't know what the heck is in the water down there, but when it comes to kids, they are the worst.
And BTW, what's the race of those 107 juveniles offenders locked up for life without parole for crimes that didn't kill anyone? And 71 of them are in Florida? Sick.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 11/08/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 37 fans permalink
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what an absurd agrument, the reason they have life is because they took a life and not by accident but with brutal force. the only reason they got life sentence is because the death penalty is not legal for minors. in my opinion whenever i hear someone say is something inhumane for a inhumane killer i have to say no its not too inhumane for what they did. I hope the supreme court tosses this out as the garbage it is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 11/08/2009
- MamaBird62 I'm a Fan of MamaBird62 84 fans permalink

The kids we are talking about here did not take a life. They committed other types of crimes as juveniles, but received sentences of life without chance of parole.
It's obscene. We are the only nation on earth that does this.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 11/08/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 37 fans permalink
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b.s. it was not shoplifting was it? defend them all you want i dont care its your choice. rape murder are horrible crimes and the only way they can be repeated is if we let them out to do it again. momabird violent crimes against women often go unpunished and almost always go underpunished. thats just my opinion

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 11/08/2009

Under the Constitution that was ratified by the States, the death penalty was permitted for all felonies. Luckily, most states have restrained, if not abolished its use. It is not for the Supreme Court to tell democratic­ally-elect­ed legislatures what crimes the death penalty may be used for and what crimes it may not.

People claim to love democracy when it gives them the results they agree with. When they are in the minority on an issue, they seek an intervention by the courts to remove an issue from the political debate and imbed it into the Constitution.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/08/2009
- klbrz I'm a Fan of klbrz 15 fans permalink
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The two prisoners going before the court were convicted of r@pe and armed robbery, not murd3r.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/08/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 37 fans permalink
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rape is just as bad as far as i am concerned. its ruins and damages a person forever. i will vote for life on that one. murder.pedophilia, rape. brutal violent assults. life. no way out to do it again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 11/08/2009

In Texas they call it a "Free Lunch"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 11/08/2009
- klbrz I'm a Fan of klbrz 15 fans permalink
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What does Texas have to do with this? If you read the article, the state is not even mentioned. The ones that are - Florida, California, Delaware, Iowa, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska and South Carolina.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 11/08/2009
- ZSV I'm a Fan of ZSV 6 fans permalink

Nice start but call me when a cop electrcuting you with 50 thousand volts is at least considered cruel and unusual. I bet if someone used it on one of them it would be considered a lethal weapon and charged with attempted murder.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/08/2009
- klbrz I'm a Fan of klbrz 15 fans permalink
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I have never understood how this is allowed under any law. To me, it's changing the rules right in the middle of the game.

We all know that we consider no person under the age of 18 truly capable of entering into a contract. In all states you have to be at least 18, maybe 21, to take on the responsibility that goes with drinking alcohol; 18 for smoking. And what about enlisting in the service? We want to try the mother of the 14 yr old child who is morbidly obese for negligence; yet we want to try the 9 yr old boy in Phoenix as an adult for participating in a gang r@pe. We need consistency across the board.

What we are doing in this country is trying to have it both ways and that is not possible. Either you are old enough at 9, 14, 18, 21 years of age to competently make life altering decisions, or you're not. We have been allowing politics to enter into this incredibly important decision for too long - DAs, those very political machines who get re-elected for being the most bad a$$ against crime - like to have children tried as adults. It makes the crime look even worse, and it makes the DA look even tougher on crime (as opposed to his opponent who is "soft on crime" and likes to set all the criminals free to murd3r, r@pe and pillage at will).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 11/08/2009
- 43P04T34 I'm a Fan of 43P04T34 11 fans permalink

Of course it is.

How could it not be?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 11/08/2009
- LLeGrande I'm a Fan of LLeGrande 17 fans permalink

Let us start with a few basic premises: Our abject, brutal prison industrial system has at its core the intention of oppressing, suppressing and repressing the poor of the land. The more poor people there are, the larger the prison system becomes. The reason for this is so there will not be uprisings by those who have been deprived of even the basic requirements of life, as the rich get richer, and the poor become poorer.

The United States has one-in-one hundred of its citizens in prison. The United States, with 5% of the world population has 25% of the world's prison population.

The abject cruelty of this brutal system is laid bare in many ways. Journalism students prove innocence of death-row inmates framed by police and prosecutors. Children, likely quite troubled and from poor families, are treated as adults and locked away forever, expecially in Florida where 75% of U.S. children lifers do life. Texas certainly, in my estimation, has no problem whatever executing innocent people. The Supreme Court doesn't worry about innocence, it worries about procedures.

Not a single Wall Street crook has been called to account.

That's the United States criminal justice system.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 11/08/2009
- nexxtep54 I'm a Fan of nexxtep54 34 fans permalink

Not to mention the increasing number of privately operated for-profit prisons.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 11/08/2009
- Nicon I'm a Fan of Nicon 39 fans permalink
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Or we could figure out why so many of out children are comiting crimes and try and stop the problem before it gets this far.

Kinda like the solution to Abortion. Sex ed. So we have here. Proper early childhood and single parent supports are solving this issue one kid at a time.

Prohibition in the 20's caused so many problems. This is one of Drug Prohibitions little gifts to all of us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 11/08/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 103 fans permalink
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"...we could figure out why so many of out children are comiting crimes..."

One reason is the kids see our leaders get away with everything.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 11/08/2009
- Nicon I'm a Fan of Nicon 39 fans permalink
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If you honestly think out "Leaders" actions influence the kids ending up in Jails around the USA, you have almost as many issues as they do. Most of these kids don't know anything outside of the 5-10 block area around where they were born.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 11/08/2009
- DarkStarr I'm a Fan of DarkStarr 2 fans permalink
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How about we get serious as a nation and work towards prevention. Many children show signs of emotional disturbance well before they behave violently, but the system to get them help is failing. It is set up to look good on paper, but the real help they need is often under funded. Also, it is taboo in many communities to suggest that schools should adopt programs that teach empathy. That sounds too much like values... but if parents are not doing their jobs, then society has to pick up the responsibility. We are a very reactionary society, until we work on prevention, we'll have to rely on punishment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 11/08/2009
- isee61 I'm a Fan of isee61 10 fans permalink
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If Kids do adult CRIME, kids should do adult time TIME.

a juvenile delinquent ditches school and spray grafitti on everything, a kid that rapes murder, steals needs to do long time, just like their older criminals.

Make no difference between them. Put them all away and throw away the key. OR don't do the crime and stay out of jail.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 11/08/2009
- sizogee I'm a Fan of sizogee 12 fans permalink
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You have an antiquated -- and barbaric -- view of how a legal system ought to work. It's a little simplistic, don't you think?

No other civilized country treats its citizens, much less its children, as harshly as we do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 11/08/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 103 fans permalink
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Long time for graffiti?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 11/08/2009
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