Same-Sex Marriage May Get Albany Vote On Tuesday

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MICHAEL GORMLEY | 11/ 9/09 06:29 PM | AP

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ALBANY, N.Y. — Gov. David Paterson on Monday urged lawmakers to legalize same-sex marriage in New York, calling it "an issue that touches on the very core of our citizenship."

His request raises the hopes of gay advocates who suffered a major defeat in Maine when voters repealed that state's same-sex-marriage law last week.

In New York City, Christine Quinn, the openly gay council speaker, quickly weighed in by offering an impassioned plea for the state Senate to pass a bill legalizing same-sex marriage.

In a rare midyear address to a joint session of the Legislature, the Democrat singled out his gay marriage proposal in a lengthy agenda for Tuesday's extraordinary session that will mostly be devoted to addressing the state's $3.2 billion budget deficit.

"It is an issue that in many ways speaks to the very foundation of our democracy," Paterson said of gay marriage. "I would like it addressed as immediately as possible, because justice delayed is justice denied. I am asking the members of the New York state Senate on both sides of the aisles to take up and pass the marriage equality legislation this week."

It was the only time his 15-minute address was interrupted by applause, but it was only a smattering, with perhaps half the legislators refusing to clap.

However, in a signal that usually indicates progress in negotiations in Albany, Paterson changed his time frame for adoption from Tuesday, the only day so far he called the Legislature into extraordinary session, to sometime this week.

Then Paterson made a personal plea, following his framing of the issue a year ago as a civil right, and his recent promise to have the bill passed and signed into law by the end of the year.

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The Rev. Jason McGuire of New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms said Tuesday's results in Maine have shown even moderate Republicans that they can't afford to back the measure going into the 2010 elections. He said the group is confident they have 35 or 36 senators opposed to the measure, which would block passage in the 62-seat house.

"God established marriage and I don't think the state has a right to redefine it," McGuire said. But he said the concern is really about children, who need to learn from mothers and fathers.

"Marriage is never about two people. It's about future generations," he said. "It does affect what's good for society as a whole."

Already passed in the Democrat-led Assembly, the measure wasn't brought to the floor in the spring because there weren't enough votes in the 32-30 Democratic majority to pass it. A few Democrats opposed the bill on religious grounds. Paterson changed that by putting the bill in his proclamation for Tuesday's extraordinary session. However, Paterson can't compel lawmakers to vote.

Now Republican leader Dean Skelos has released his members to vote as they see fit, without the usual bloc voting of the GOP.

"I think a lot of senators woke up this morning and realized a vote on marriage equality is real and could come tomorrow," said Empire State Pride Agenda Executive Director Alan Van Capelle on Monday. "I believe, when this comes to the floor, these individuals will not be able to vote against their friends and their family."

"Now is the time for them to stand up and be counted," he said. "All eyes are on Albany."

Meanwhile, the Democrat-led Senate continues to oppose Paterson's deficit-fighting proposal, pitching its own plan that avoids painful cuts. The powerful health care lobby praised the ideas as innovative, but Paterson's budget office called them gimmickry.

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AP Writer Valerie Bauman contributed to this report from Albany.

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ALBANY, N.Y. — Gov. David Paterson on Monday urged lawmakers to legalize same-sex marriage in New York, calling it "an issue that touches on the very core of our citizenship." His request raise...
ALBANY, N.Y. — Gov. David Paterson on Monday urged lawmakers to legalize same-sex marriage in New York, calling it "an issue that touches on the very core of our citizenship." His request raise...
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- fdavidm I'm a Fan of fdavidm 3 fans permalink
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Tuesday has come and gone and there has been no vote. I'm glad the LGBT community is talking about a financial boycott of all donations to Obama and the DNC. It's about time that gay people start to assert their monetary power, if nothing else. The Democrats have taken in our money by the fistful and made some nice promises, but when it was time to deliver, all we heard was that our problems had to wait until a) after the governors' races and b) after the economic crisis was solved. In other words, gay rights isn't important enough to be considered a priority. I hope this boycott is far-reaching and also is enacted on the local and state races, especially in New York and New Jersey should gay marriage fail to get the necessary Democratic votes to pass this time out. The Legislature of New Jersey should be particularly targeted because Corzine insisted that we wait until after his race and promised this would get done.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 11/10/2009

I've heard a lot about this crap of putting peoples rights up to a popular vote and I must ask when it is okay to vote on a minorities rights? It is the job of the Legislature to write the laws and it is the job of the Supreme Courts to overturn laws that violate the Constitution. When this absurd notion is made about putting gay rights up to a popular vote, then that shows what intelligence the opposition has.

I'm sorry but the voters were wrong in Maine, Michigan, California, and every other state that has passed bans on gay rights. By this logic, would it be okay to pass a law legalizing segregation if thats what the majority of Americans wanted? Obviously not. When the legislature fails, the Courts step in. If judicial action is so wrong, then why isn't anyone on hear vomiting this nonsense with regards to Brown Vs Board of Education?

Could it be that they are afraid to do so because that would show what kind of "Christians" they really are? Could it be that these people are closet bigots? Sadly, I think this may be true. If God is real and good like you say, hopefully he will show all of you how wrong your bigotry is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 11/10/2009

I don't believe that boycotting the DNC will do much good. The better way would be to boycott states where marriage equality was over turned by popular vote such as California, Maine, Arizona and Florida. I propose that the GLBT community and the straight supporting community stop spending money in these states. Maine, Arizona and Florida all depend on tourist dollars for their economy. Key West and Palm Springs depend very heavily on GLBT dollars. Perhaps if the owners of vacation resorts in these areas start to feel the squeeze they will react. Perhaps if the straight community in these areas (who also benefit from GLBT dollars) feel the squeeze, they too will react. The straight community needs to be educated on the financial benefits which marriage equality will bring. For example, in the first 18 months that Massachussetts enacted marriage equality, the state reaped in approximately 30 million dollars in additional revenue. If Maine had voted No on repealing marriage equality, they would have realized approximately 5 million dollars in additional annual revenue. The Williams Institute at UCLA has a great website which outlines the financial benefits states can receive by enacting marriage equality, and I recommend taking a look at it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 11/10/2009
- fdavidm I'm a Fan of fdavidm 3 fans permalink
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Your idea is nice in principle but won't work in practice because the sort of state by state boycott you are suggesting can not be accurately measured: loss of revenue in these states can't with any precision by attributed to a gay boycott. Better to boycott the Democratic and Republican political leaders who failed to vote for marriage equality. And let the Obama team know that no more gay money is coming his way, until he starts performing for the gay community. Money talks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 11/10/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 17 fans permalink
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Wow, it's really shocking to see Christine Quinn give an impassioned plea for the state Senate to pass a bill legalizing same-sex marriage. However, she didn't give a rats behind over term limits. We the people of NYC are still waiting the full investigation of the $17 million slush fund you got caught with. Now that would be an impassion cause for you to be real with the people rather than give lip service.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/10/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 26 fans permalink
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I wonder how far this one will get or if it does pass will it be removed later only time will say.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 11/10/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 17 fans permalink
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It is not getting to far because at the moment it's a dog and pony show . This should go before the people to vote on.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 11/10/2009
- Busbydav I'm a Fan of Busbydav 21 fans permalink
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People should not be able to vote on civil rights of a minority

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 11/10/2009
- Rob Halpin I'm a Fan of Rob Halpin 4 fans permalink
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Right. And I think that your right to get married should also be approved by me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 11/11/2009

Our fore fathers had the wisdom to set up a form of government separating church and state. Ever since Reagan got into office I have noticed the separation start eroding and under the last administration’s policies the separation has became even less clear.

It is disgusting to see our public representatives consulting with clergy or other religious fanatics on how to impose religious dogma under the guise of morality, however; it is inspiring to see a few law makers with backbone and foresight like those in New York to move forward and do what is right.

If God has a problem with gay rights them let him sort it out with them on judgment day!

Our nation was established on freedom, freedom to choose, freedom of religion, and yes I believe freedom to be openly gay and have the same rights as any other citizen including the right to marriage and divorce.

It is time we identify the unpatriotic religious fanatics who have been elected to public office and replace them with people who can keep their religion and politics separate.

I am an old fat white married man who believes in gay rights because for one it is the right and patriotic thing to do but most of all one day the law makers may be considering old fat white married men’s rights and I would only hope others would give me the same considerations I have given them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 11/10/2009
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Bravo James. Well put.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 11/10/2009
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 40 fans permalink
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Fanned! Thank you!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/10/2009

"God established marriage"
I find out so many things wrong in Christian Bible.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 11/10/2009

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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/09/2009
- slaxx I'm a Fan of slaxx 37 fans permalink
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it won't pass.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 11/09/2009

Let's vote on it! Stop trying to usurp the will of the people and put it to an up or down vote by the people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 11/09/2009
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There's NO "usurpation" going on. The legislature is doing its job, but you don't understand what the concepts of "government", and "separation of powers". YOU are the one supporting usurping people's rights. You seriously think that because there are so many hatemongering people such as yourself, that that makes you right? Might DOES NOT make right. Time is on OUR side, NOT yours. People like you will be ridiculed in history books, just like slaveholders, segregationists, anti-feminists and the rest of your anti-humanist ilk.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 11/09/2009
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Don't forget the people who thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Oh wait...the­y were the majority too, weren't they? Hmmm...how­'d that turn out again?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 11/10/2009
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I got news for McGuire, gays have no reason to take into consideration the opinion of people who are raising their kids to hate them. Shocking, I know.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 11/09/2009
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I hope they vote in favor of marriage equality. Other than I'm tired of getting pissed off about constantly being reminded we're second class citizens, it's just the right thing to do. Our rights shouldn't be put to a vote, but at least it's the actual legislature voting, instead of mob rule.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 11/09/2009

Let's put it to an up or down vote by the people and be done with it. The legislature has no business trying to overstep the well of their constituents.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 11/09/2009

"will"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 11/09/2009
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Do you realize the purpose of a legislature is...to legislate? Would you support putting black rights up to a popular vote? You don't understand what the words "justice", "equality", or "freedom" mean, and you consistently show it. Let the legislature do its job, and get over your wish to change our republic into an Athenian-style direct democracy. The point of our being a republic, is to curb the injustice streak that majorities tend to support. This is a REPUBLIC, NOT A GREEK CITY-STATE!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/09/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 61 fans permalink

You are really in dire need of a civics class. My oh my. I suppose its not really your fault though. Ever since Reagan the righties have done all they could to rid public classrooms of civics education. And your post is a classic example of the sad result.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 11/09/2009
- Quaoar I'm a Fan of Quaoar 29 fans permalink
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I guess you don't believe in representative democracy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 11/09/2009
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As long as we get the opportunity to vote on everyone's marriages. If you want to get married you should have to get enough signatures on a petition to get it on the ballot and hope that everyone thinks you should be allowed to marry whoever you choose to marry.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 11/09/2009
- jadd3065 I'm a Fan of jadd3065 2 fans permalink

You again!! You are a first class citizen living a second class lifestyle. Stand up and be a man and get rid of the notion that it is normal and natural for a man to have a relationship with another man.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 11/09/2009
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Are you serious? What makes you think your bigotry makes you "normal"? I see there's no point in arguing with you, as you've shown your ignorance in believing my orientation is a "lifestyle". Grow up, accept science, and then we can talk.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 11/10/2009
- mercury613 I'm a Fan of mercury613 40 fans permalink
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Homosexuality exists everywhere in nature. Thus, it is inherently natural.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/10/2009
- Rob Halpin I'm a Fan of Rob Halpin 4 fans permalink
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Jadd - you've just exposed you and your bigot movement for what it is. You don't give a lick about "protecting marriage" as your leaders claim. At the root of your argument is your inherent discomfort with homosexuality.

Being gay is no different than being shy or red-headed or darker skinned. It's an inherent part of someone that is immutable and cannot be changed. Every single reputable scientific organization (academics, medical and psychological associations, etc.) agree on this.

I'm a gay man earning well into six figures. I'm college educated and live a terrific life. If I'm living a "second class" lifestyle" it's only because people like you believe you have power to strip me of my civil rights. You will lose in the end and you'll be relegated to the dust bins of history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 11/11/2009
- rextrek I'm a Fan of rextrek 34 fans permalink
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not sure where u are coming from....wh­ether you agree with it or not...but insinuating that the voters make "take it out"on those who vote for Marriage Equality..­..? Is that your msg? Equality for All Americans should Never be in doubt or voted on!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 11/09/2009

Rights are rights... if you are a human being, you have them. Whenever the law is used to specify what a minority group CAN'T DO, that everyone else can, red flags should go up. I sincerely hope this passes, but also feel it should be put to a vote, whether there are the votes to pass it or not. Have everyone go on record, for the information of the voters when they next go to the polls.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 11/09/2009

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